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The Components That Go Into A Tesla Battery


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2024 May 4, 11:06am   403 views  31 comments

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#teslabattery This is a Tesla model Y battery. It takes up all of the space under the passenger compartment of the car. To manufacture it you need:
--12 tons of rock for Lithium (can also be extracted from sea water)
-- 5 tons of cobalt minerals (Most cobalt is made as a byproduct of processing copper and nickel ores. It is the most difficult and expensive material to obtain for a battery.)
-- 3 tons nickel ore
-- 12 tons of copper ore
You must move 250 tons of soil to obtain:
-- 26.5 pounds of Lithium
-- 30 pounds of nickel
-- 48.5 pounds of manganese
-- 15 pounds of cobalt
To manufacture the battery also requires:
-- 441 pounds of aluminum, steel and/or plastic
-- 112 pounds of graphite
The Caterpillar 994A is used to move the earth to obtain the minerals needed for this battery. The Caterpillar consumes 264 gallons of diesel in 12 hours.
The bulk of necessary minerals for manufacturing the batteries come from China or Africa. Much of the labor in Africa is done by children. When you buy an electric car, China profits most.
The 2021 Tesla Model Y OEM battery (the cheapest Tesla battery) is currently for sale on the Internet for $4,999 not including shipping or installation. The battery weighs 1,000 pounds (you can imagine the shipping cost). The cost of Tesla batteries are:
Model 3 -- $14,000+ (Car MSRP $38,990)
Model Y -- $5,000–$5,500 (Car MSRP $47,740)
Model S -- $13,000–$20,000 (Car MSRP $74,990)
Model X -- $13,000+ (Car MSRP $79,990)
It takes 7 years for an electric car to reach net-zero CO2. The life expectancy of the battery is 10 years (average). Only in the last 3 years do you start to reduce your carbon footprint, but then the batteries must be replaced and you lose all gains made.
What are your thoughts?

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1   stereotomy   2024 May 4, 7:49pm  

I ask Ohomenbot the question - why hasn't Elena solved this problem yet?
2   clambo   2024 May 5, 8:29am  

Battery cars are not "green" and will never be very popular either.

The average Tesla runs on energy produced by burning either natural gas or coal; in some cases nuclear power.

It's unfortunate that we can't buy natural gas cars, filling up would cost less than gasoline.

Buses and delivery vans are running on natural gas however.
3   Tenpoundbass   2024 May 5, 9:12am  

ohomen171 says

What are your thoughts?


I think that EV's are so preposterous, they make that ugly ass Toyota Prius seem like the smartest and best vehicle ever made.
In fact the Prius has nothing to worry about, so much so, that it hasn't changed one thing about its design in almost 25 years.
I riled against the Prius when it came out. But now I see it as practical. And the model all EVs should have taken.
A small engine to charge the batteries as needed. They never should have been anything that needs to be charged by the grid, and the batteries have to be so large, and yet still only have a limited range.

Another EV model that would have been smarter would be an electromagnetic propelled combustion engine. Where the gas and spark is replaced by alternating poles, pushing the piston driving the drive shaft. This model would be more efficient than stator motors on all four wheels. As the crankshaft and flywheel would also be doing much of the work.
4   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2024 May 5, 9:16am  

ohomen is a bot
5   Tenpoundbass   2024 May 5, 9:56am  

No he's not, he's a leaning conservative surrounded by stark raving Liberals. He likes to post here to get input on things he discusses in his Liberal circles so he can get another prospective.
6   RWSGFY   2024 May 5, 4:04pm  

Why the smallest and cheapest car in the lineup has the most expensive battery? Makes no sense.
7   GreaterNYCDude   2024 May 6, 1:24pm  

About time that people realize this.
8   WookieMan   2024 May 6, 2:46pm  

Tenpoundbass says

I think that EV's are so preposterous

Hybrids are and were always the future. The Prius and Toyota was pretty smart. Driving to a sporting event for the kids. 180 miles one way. So I'd have to charge. I can drive my V8 SUV round trip without fueling up. I'd have to find a charger to get back home in central IL. Not gonna happen and too much of a hassle.

Time is money and enjoyment. I don't want to sit at a charging station to get back home. Not all hotels have them either. I'm at the point I don't think most EV drivers travel much and understand. It's a bitch with an ICE vehicle. I'd drive down to the Panhandle and stop twice and knock it out in 12 hours. An EV would take 15-16 hours at least. So you'd need a hotel or you'll fall asleep driving.
9   richwicks   2024 May 6, 2:52pm  

WookieMan says

Time is money and enjoyment. I don't want to sit at a charging station to get back home. Not all hotels have them either. I'm at the point I don't think most EV drivers travel much and understand. It's a bitch with an ICE vehicle. I'd drive down to the Panhandle and stop twice and knock it out in 12 hours. An EV would take 15-16 hours at least. So you'd need a hotel or you'll fall asleep driving.


DC Fast Chargers can completely charge a completely depleted car in as little as 15-20 minutes.

The convenience of an EV, is you can charge it in your garage. The danger of EVs is they are far heavier than regular cars and they will go right through a traffic barrier, when in an accident it's 99.9% of the time completely totaled no matter how small the damage is, and once they get lit up in a fire, they keep burning and good luck putting them out.

But if you're just going from home to work, it's kind of nice to just plug it in when you get to work, and plug it in when you get home, and never see a gas station again.
10   socal2   2024 May 6, 2:54pm  

In 20 years, we could be close to a "closed loop system" where there are enough batteries produced that we will have enough to recycle the expensive materials and won't have to mine for more. It is much easier, cheaper and cleaner to recycle cobalt and nickel from an existing battery than to mine new material.
11   HeadSet   2024 May 6, 3:02pm  

socal2 says

In 20 years, we could be close to a "closed loop system" where there are enough batteries produced that we will have enough to recycle the expensive materials and won't have to mine for more. It is much easier, cheaper and cleaner to recycle cobalt and nickel from an existing battery than to mine new material.

In 20 years, it is likely that a completely new battery technology or fuel cell will not need cobalt or nickel.
12   Tenpoundbass   2024 May 6, 5:45pm  

Back to Unicorn Farts and Pixie Dust. The good ole new battery technology fuel cell that's going to save us. Obama got elected selling that lie, and it's still believed. Unbelievable!
Useful technology comes out of good science. Not the other way around.
13   NuttBoxer   2024 May 6, 8:21pm  

ohomen171 says

The Components That Go Into A Tesla Battery


Nice summary of the reality of "environmentalism". Destroying the earth while acting like a morally superior douche...
14   komputodo   2024 May 6, 8:43pm  

socal2 says

In 20 years, we could be close to a "closed loop system" where there are enough batteries produced that we will have enough to recycle the expensive materials and won't have to mine for more. It is much easier, cheaper and cleaner to recycle cobalt and nickel from an existing battery than to mine new material.

in 20 yrs we will still be driving ICE cars
15   richwicks   2024 May 6, 8:55pm  

HeadSet says

In 20 years, it is likely that a completely new battery technology or fuel cell will not need cobalt or nickel.

Unlikely. Computer simulation can be done to verify theoretical efficiency. It's likely that lithium ion is near the highest energy density we can get. Sodium batteries may be far cheaper in time, but lower energy density, but sodium is far easier to get than lithium
16   komputodo   2024 May 6, 9:12pm  

richwicks says

HeadSet says


In 20 years, it is likely that a completely new battery technology or fuel cell will not need cobalt or nickel.

Unlikely. Computer simulation can be done to verify theoretical efficiency. It's likely that lithium ion is near the highest energy density we can get. Sodium batteries may be far cheaper in time, but lower energy density, but sodium is far easier to get than lithium

Doncha know, new battery technology is just around the corner. Couple that with CA's high speed rail system which is also ready to start up next year and transportation will be fixed.
17   komputodo   2024 May 6, 9:14pm  

I'm gonna wait for that online guy who is going to build a car that runs on water.
18   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2024 May 6, 9:18pm  

komputodo says

I'm gonna wait for that online guy who is going to build a car that runs on water.


1hp horse runs on water and horse feed… still works in some counties.
19   richwicks   2024 May 6, 9:23pm  

komputodo says


Doncha know, new battery technology is just around the corner. Couple that with CA's high speed rail system which is also ready to start up next year and transportation will be fixed.

I'm tired of false engineering solutions. Remember sequestering CO2? What happened to that "technology"?

I am not a materials scientist, but it's pretty easy to calculate voltages of various hypothetical battery interfaces now. The limitation of energy density of batteries is probably due to what physical elements exist. NiCad was the thing for years, I think we may go to sodium ion though for handheld devices even though those batteries have no advantage other than sodium is insanely abundant.

Every few months I see some boneheaded solution. Solar roadways, drawing water out of the air to get water to remote villages in Africa, CO2 scrubbers that pull CO2 from the air, stupid solar panel designs. Engineers are constantly misdirected into solutions that don't work. I think that includes EV's and wind turbines, as well as sand batteries, air pressure batteries, air engines.. you have no idea how much money has been wasted on this shit. This don't have a chance in hell being a real solution. Meanwhile, nobody works on a tual solutions. Government will never run out of money dumping money into shit that doesn't work.
20   Blue   2024 May 6, 11:27pm  

Toyota is working on Solid-state batteries. Might be ready by 2027, let’s see how it goes.
21   HeadSet   2024 May 7, 6:06am  

richwicks says

I'm tired of false engineering solutions. Remember sequestering CO2? What happened to that "technology"?

I planted a couple of those in the yard last week.
22   NuttBoxer   2024 May 7, 7:32am  

Perpetual motion or low cost solutions have been available for a while, but all suppressed. See Tesla's work, car that runs on compressed air, car that runs on water. There are real solutions out there that are healthier, but a population that can be mobile for low/no cost is the opposite of what the deep state wants.
23   komputodo   2024 May 7, 10:34am  

richwicks says

I am not a materials scientist, but it's pretty easy to calculate voltages of various hypothetical battery interfaces now.

But calculating is hard...much easier to just read MSM headlines or listen to maddow.
24   komputodo   2024 May 7, 10:38am  

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says


1hp horse runs on water and horse feed

I watch that old tv show "tales of wells fargo" and the have a loaded wagon with a team of 6 horses and that wagon seems like it's flying...my point is that a 6hp motor could not even compete with the power of those 6 horses. The wagon driver sitting up high and bouncing around on a rutted trail had to have some real balls. Then add the indians and the hold up men to the equation.
25   PeopleUnited   2024 May 7, 10:52am  

NuttBoxer says

car that runs on water


Surely this must be true. And likely the Zionists have gaslighted the world into belief that it is not possible. The last thing the Zionists want is for the price of oil to go down.

Sarcasm off.
26   komputodo   2024 May 7, 11:18am  

PeopleUnited says

NuttBoxer says


car that runs on water


Surely this must be true. And likely the Zionists have gaslighted the world into belief that it is not possible. The last thing the Zionists want is for the price of oil to go down.

Sarcasm off.

but for now i just use those oxygen capsules you put in your gas tank that increase your mileage 100%
27   WookieMan   2024 May 7, 11:23am  

HeadSet says

richwicks says


I'm tired of false engineering solutions. Remember sequestering CO2? What happened to that "technology"?

I planted a couple of those in the yard last week.

For the win. Basic science. Bitch and whine about rainforests being cut down and take away the food that makes them grow. CO2 has never been the problem. If anything it's helpful. This is no different than segregation laws with black and white bathrooms. We make up bull shit as humans. Covid. Tons of other topics.

There were actual problems in the past. Now we just fucking make them up to create an industry to make money off of. It used to be for survival. EV's are the most obscene thing for a supposed "eco" friendly solution for cars. You could add 100M more ICE cars and it would make no difference on the climate. Plants would just grow faster.
28   richwicks   2024 May 7, 9:34pm  

HeadSet says

richwicks says


I'm tired of false engineering solutions. Remember sequestering CO2? What happened to that "technology"?

I planted a couple of those in the yard last week.


Right!

The irony about all this hand wringing about CO2 levels is that trees and plants take care of it, and the more CO2 we produce, the greener our planet gets. The more life there is.

WookieMan says

Bitch and whine about rainforests being cut down and take away the food that makes them grow. CO2 has never been the problem.


For once, I'm in complete agreement with you.

This isn't a political issue, it's a science issue. IF CO2 were destroying the planet, I bet with this fucking government, they'd cover it up and lie about it and suggest we burn more.
29   richwicks   2024 May 7, 9:40pm  

komputodo says

richwicks says


I am not a materials scientist, but it's pretty easy to calculate voltages of various hypothetical battery interfaces now.

But calculating is hard...much easier to just read MSM headlines or listen to maddow.


Well I know that.

I'm just saying I'm pretty certain somebody out there has put a computer simulation to work to find out all the possible combinations you could make, and it's just chugging along, or it's done. I don't remember how to do it now, but at one point I could calculate voltage differentials between two metals. There's a certain affinity for the electrons, and if you put two metals together, they will corrode over time, maybe very slowly, but they do. That's why chrome flakes off eventually.
30   richwicks   2024 May 7, 9:44pm  

PeopleUnited says

NuttBoxer says


car that runs on water


Surely this must be true.


No, it's not. Water is at a low energy state. Unless you can get it lower, water is a basically inert material.

You can get stuff to react to water, but that stuff is highly volatile, like pure potassium or sodium. Sodium really doesn't like being a metal, and when exposed to air, it will corrode due to oxygen. In water, it will steal O2 from the water making sodium hydroxide and hydrogen.
31   NuttBoxer   2024 May 8, 7:47am  

See Stanley Meyer, died of totally natural causes...

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