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FreeAmericanDOP says

Iran, China, Russia, stay the fuck out. Sorry, but the Monroe Doctrine stays.

No foreign powers or any puppets BUT those of the USA are allowed in the New World.

I hope they stay out. Or they’ll repay us the favor for what we did with Ukraine. You know, what goes around comes around. Can’t say we are morally right these days. Just have to move on.

FortWayneHatesRealtors says

I hope they stay out. Or they’ll repay us the favor for what we did with Ukraine. You know, what goes around comes around. Can’t say we are morally right these days. Just have to move on.

Or we kick their ass rather than let them set up a base here.

And they will kick us when/if we are down. Count on it, it's the way of the world.

There is no world police.

The Melian Dialogue

https://www.marcellodibello.com/PHI171/resources/melian-dialogue.pdf

There is no justice for the weak, only agreements among equals seeking to avoid the cost of war. Don't be weak. Non-intervention is never rewarded.

FreeAmericanDOP says

FortWayneHatesRealtors says

I hope they stay out. Or they’ll repay us the favor for what we did with Ukraine. You know, what goes around comes around. Can’t say we are morally right these days. Just have to move on.

Or we kick their ass rather than let them set up a base here.

And they will kick us when/if we are down. Count on it, it's the way of the world.

There is no world police.

World is a damned place. We only got ourselves.

FreeAmericanDOP says

Non-Aggression today means being under fire from a bunker just to leave your house tomorrow

Reading "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" is very enlightening. There were non-aggression treaties all over but they just didn't matter. When it was convenient for Germany, Russia, England they all found excuses for violating various treaties.

All the really mattered was a large, capable, and unified population with access to iron ore, oil, and factories that could make arms.

Germany was kicking ass all over Europe until Hitler made the mistake of turning on Russia, making it a two-front war that his generals kept telling him was impossible to win. Every time Hitler wanted to invade a new country he came up with a new reason that previous treaties were now invalid.

It all came down to this inequality: US + UK + Russia > Germany

But: Russia + Germany > US + UK

Eric_Holder says

Under international law, a maritime (naval) blockade is unequivocally regarded as an act of war. Here's why:

Here's why you are full of shit (again).

NONE OF THAT APPLIES TO STATELESS VESSELS.

Those vessels carry sanctioned oil. AKA, the shadow fleet.

Which was what Trump was referring to. Which are the ships we have been seizing. Which international maritime law not only allows but encourages.

But then again, you post Ukey propaganda crap in here like bogus claims that the Ukeys took out a sub with a drone, so...

Patrick says

But: Russia + Germany > US + UK

Not sure of that, at least in WW2. One of the biggest secrets of WW2 is the unbelievable tonnage that went to Vladivostok via the West Coast under a Soviet Flag on US Ships packed to the gills with rubber, tractors, jeeps, trucks.

I mean right across into the Sea of Japan from the US to Russia while Marines were fighting Japs on Guadalcanal and New Guinea and Saipan.

At least 15% of the Soviet War Machine and Industry was powered by US material. Some estimate it as high as a third.

The Pacific Corridor, spanned 4,700 miles from America’s west coast ports, [and Vancouver, Canada] up to Alaska and across the northern Pacific to Russian east coast ports, the largest being Vladivostok. In this one port alone, stevedores offloaded a total of over 10 million tons of cargo amounting to 400,000 railroad cars of materials onto trains of the Trans-Siberian Railway bound for the Russian battle lines a further 5,000 miles to the west.

About half of all U.S. war aid to Russia, a staggering 17.5 million tons, was delivered via the Pacific Ocean Route. This included: 3,770 bombers, 11,594 fighter planes, 5,980 anti-aircraft guns, 1,900 steam and 66 Diesel locomotives, 11,075 flat cars, 8,000 tractors, 51,000 jeeps, 361,000 trucks, 56,445 field telephones, 600,000 kilometers of telephone wire, 22 million artillery shells, almost one billion rifle cartridges, 15 million pairs of army boots, 107,000 tons of cotton, 2.7 million tons of petroleum products, 4.5 million tons of food as well as boatloads of industrial materials such as machine tools, cloth, and leather to make uniforms and shoes plus surgical and medical supplies for hospitals.
https://www.historyonthenet.com/the-pacific-route-saving-russia-one-ship-at-a-time

Again, this isn't from the East Coast to Russia through Murmansk, but from the WEST Coast to Russia's Pacific Port, right under the nose of the Japanese Islands

Yes the US helped Russia, but say Russia and Germany had remained allies and jointly attacked the US and Britain. I think it would have been at close match at least.

Germany had a flourishing trade with Russia right up until Germany invaded. The trade was basically German machinery for Russian raw materials.

Anyway, whatever team has the biggest, most competent and unified population and iron ore and oil is probably going to win any war. German competence and unity were huge factors in their amazing string of early victories.

Patrick says

Anyway, whatever team has the biggest, most competent and unified population and iron ore and oil is probably going to win any war. German competence and unity were huge factors in their amazing string of early victories.

So the USA. WW2 US industrial production is absolutely mind blowing.

Towards the end, USN Admirals were planning for 12-carrier CVBGs so festooned with tonnage they had with fast jeep carriers deployed as a screen miles from the main body. We scrapped scores of carriers already laid down, yep. Scores of Essex class carriers had their hulls repurposed or scrapped entirely in the yards.

Where the truth is, Germany could not replace just their Barbarossa losses. They needed years of peace (and access to Soviet materials) to replace what they lost in Sum 41-Sum42, and never got it. Not just from combat, but wear and tear and op tempo.

People sometimes get confused because Hitler ordered an increase to Panzer divisions, but that was done by reducing Panzer Strength by 20% and replacing with assault guns and motorized vehicles, not with Panzer production.

Not just tanks, but planes, trucks, rolling stock, towed arty, etc.

Within 4 years the USA was fielding 100s of divisions and still training 100s more in 1944, and every last jeep, radio, C-47, wool jacket, down to the last can opener and canteen and cigarette. The world's merchant marine was choked with Liberty Ships for the next 50 years. We still coulda kicked the Socialist Alliance of NSDAP-USSR ass.

FreeAmericanDOP says

Patrick says

Anyway, whatever team has the biggest, most competent and unified population and iron ore and oil is probably going to win any war. German competence and unity were huge factors in their amazing string of early victories.

So the USA. WW2 US industrial production is absolutely mind blowing.

Towards the end, USN Admirals were planning for 12-carrier CVBGs so festooned with tonnage they had with fast jeep carriers deployed as a screen miles from the main body. We scrapped scores of carriers already laid down, yep. Scores of Essex class carriers had their hulls repurposed or scrapped entirely in the yards.

Where the truth is, Germany could not replace just their Barbarossa losses. They needed years of peace (and access to Soviet materials) to replace what they lost in Sum 41-Sum42, and never got it. Not just from combat, but wear and tear and op tempo.

People sometimes get confused because Hitler ordered an increase to Panzer divisions, but that was done by reducing Panzer Strength by 20% and replacing with assault guns and motorized vehicles, not with Panzer production.

Not just tanks, but planes, trucks, rolling stock, towed arty, etc.

Within 4 years the USA was fielding 100s of divisions and still training 100s more in 1944, and every last jeep, radio, C-47, wool jacket, down to the last can opener and canteen and cigarette. The world's merchant marine was choked with Liberty Ships for the next 50 years. We still coulda kicked the Socialist Alliance of NSDAP-USSR ass.

Crushing Kommie Kremlin Kunts right after finishing Nazis is what Patton argued for in 1945.

FreeAmericanDOP says

Within 4 years the USA was fielding 100s of divisions and still training 100s more in 1944, and every last jeep, radio, C-47, wool jacket, down to the last can opener and canteen and cigarette. The world's merchant marine was choked with Liberty Ships for the next 50 years. We still coulda kicked the Socialist Alliance of NSDAP-USSR ass.

Oh, and while all this was happening, the US was providing at 1900 Steam Engines, etc. etc. for the Russians, as well as building Shermans for the Brits and Canadians, etc. etc. along with huge swaths of material for Russia, Britain, Australia-NZ, Canada AND the British Empire. It's really fing shocking.

RWSGFY says

Crushing Kommie Kremlin Kunts right after finishing Nazis is what Patton argued for in 1945.

It was a good idea, but Americans wanted peace at that point. A demobilization so rapid that billions of dollars of hardware (in today's money) was just left on South Pacific islands because it was too expensive in time and money to take it home.

That was an entire other unsung miracle that the economy didn't collapse in 45-47 from the shock.

"Hit them now, while we got the muscle"

Oh, and Herman Goering sneered, laughed and mocked the US plan to could produce 50,000 aircraft if it went to war, made in 1940

By 1944, we produced 96,000 a year, including thousands of quad-engine bombers and multiengine transports, not just single engine fighters.

Boeing, Douglas, and North American Aviation factories outproduced the entire Axis powers combined,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FATxplEQXPk

Just a reminder the Panican-Doomer Influenza Clique is wrong for the 2nd time in a year (really ~6 months) about an impending Big Bad War.

LOL. Tuqar vetted his dream about Maduro begging him to help Venezuela stop war with Candace and MTG, so you know it's credible. (Parody)

We need some "I survived the Great Venezuelan War of 2025" T-shirts to hand out to the Panicans!

/gloat

Just asking questions about the incredible takes influenzas keep making!

Now that there are no TROOPS ONDA GROUND! in Venezuela by TRUMP THE LIAR!

The paid stooges are now discussing "Fake" Economic numbers:



No shame at all. Grift and Panic, Panic and Grift.

RWSGFY says

Crushing Kommie Kremlin Kunts right after finishing Nazis is what Patton argued for in 1945.

I'm at the part in the Rise and Fall where German generals realize that they are losing, and consider killing Hitler and proposing a non-Nazi German alliance with the US against Russia, because they know the US doesn't like the Bolsheviks either.

But all the responses they got to their feelers were very negative, insisting on unconditional surrender of Germany.

FreeAmericanDOP says

Within 4 years the USA was fielding 100s of divisions

The US only fielded 91 divisions in WW2. For comparison, the Germans threw 190 divisions in Operation Barbarossa, but the USSR after retreating to the Moscow-Stalingrad line, were able to field 360 divisions in the counterattack. That also included 105,000 T-34 tanks produced in open air factories.

Patrick says

US + UK + Russia > Germany

USSR alone was greater than Germany. Had Britain and the US not attacked Germany from the West, the USSR would have overrun Europe.

Yes, USSR, but effectively the Novo-Russki empire of the time, so I call it Russia.

Good point, the Russians would have taken as much as possible. Every empire does.

There were still communists in Germany even during the Nazi time, but underground. They gladly helped set up East Germany after the war.

Also interesting: the Nazi responsible for preventing the Soviets from spying on German weapons manufacturing was himself sending all that info to Russia, but just for money and not out of ideology:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willi_Lehmann

He was found out and executed.