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Cheeky bastards are floating end-run around Constitution.


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2024 Jul 5, 7:47am   551 views  27 comments

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Looky what Slate has published recently:

Here’s an idea for how the Democrats can snap out of the nightmare brought on by Thursday’s debate and emerge with a startlingly attractive ticket. Call this a game of electoral fantasy football, as it’s unlikely that the necessary real-life players would go along with the plan—but if they did, victory in November would be almost certain.

President Joe Biden’s egregious showing at the debate was not so much a bad “performance” as a neon warning sign that he might be as feeble and unsuited for another term in the White House as his harshest critics have been saying. It’s sparking panic in party circles, spurring some to urge the 81-year-old incumbent to drop out, free his delegates, and unleash a brokered Democratic National Convention.
Of course, this path poses problems, as even its advocates acknowledge. First, Biden has enough committed delegates to win the nomination; he can’t legally be ousted; he would have to drop out himself; and, at least for the moment, he and his family—the crucial deciders—are showing no inclination to do so.
Second, many of those calling for Biden to step down have little appetite for Vice President Kamala Harris to take his place. She has chalked up no record of accomplishments, chaired no high-level commissions, and gained no traction of any sort in her three and a half years in the executive bullpen. Yet to bypass her in favor of some white guy could alienate Black women—and Black women voters are widely seen as the “backbone” of the Democratic Party.

Third, as for the other Biden alternatives populating many wish lists—including California Gov. Gavin Newsom, Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, Ohio Sen. Sherrod Brown, etc.—there is no guarantee whatsoever that any of them would win in November or, for that matter, do any better than Biden or Harris would do against Donald Trump. They have had no experience in national races and may have as-yet-undetected skeletons in their own closets.
So, what to do? How about this scenario:
First, Biden resigns before the convention. Second, Harris succeeds him as president. Third, with what would be the unanimous assent of the Democratic Caucus (which is all she needs, if she needs even that), Harris appoints Barack Obama as her vice president and registers him as her running mate for the 2024 election.

The return of Obama—still very popular and the de facto head of the Democratic Party—would generate enormous excitement among party leaders, donors, and the general population. Other Democrats, who might have run for the top slot at a brokered convention, would lay such plans aside. A Harris-Obama ticket would almost certainly defeat Trump.
This scenario would not be unconstitutional. The 22nd Amendment states, “No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice,” but it doesn’t forbid a former two-term president from running for vice president. True, as veep, Obama would be in a position to return to the Oval Office for a third term, should Harris die or resign. But this wouldn’t be a problem either. The amendment reads: “No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice.” (Italics added.) It does not forbid subsequent succession to the office.


The real problem is that this isn’t likely to happen. Even if Biden could be persuaded to resign, Harris would be very reluctant—would probably refuse—to become a mere figurehead president, which is how she would be perceived and might actually be. (Voters would certainly see the setup as a backdoor way to reelect Obama.) Finally, Obama, whose two terms as president aged him considerably, may not want to reenter the fray. He seems to be having a lot of fun while still doing useful things as a civilian.
But, but, but … What if Biden and his advisers calculated, in the next few days or weeks, that he really does need to call it quits? What if Harris would gulp and take the deal, seeing that, if she didn’t, she might not get the nod at a brokered convention and might not win in the general election? Also, whatever relation she and VP Obama established, she would gain a lot of experience this time around and, if all goes well, have a good chance of winning on her own in 2028? And what if Obama, seeing this plot as the most likely way to keep Donald Trump from regaining the White House, sets his Netflix productions aside (or leaves them entirely to Michelle), lays aside Vol. 2 of his memoirs (with the idea that this next chapter could make for Vol. 3), and jumps back in as a matter of supreme civil duty?


https://apple.news/AWtv4WSojQgmm9EBXzRzhZg

PS. It's the same type of pseudo-legal contortionism Pukin used to stay in power beyond 2 terms allowed by Soviet constitution. Now his "reset" boy Obama is following in his footsteps.

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1   PatrickPioneer   2024 Jul 5, 9:14am  

Interesting perspective! While the idea of a brokered Democratic National Convention sounds like an exciting twist, it's hard to imagine Biden voluntarily stepping down given his current position. The debate performance may have been lackluster, but dismissing his experience entirely seems risky. Plus, sidelining Harris could indeed backfire by alienating key voters. The alternatives like Newsom and Whitmer are intriguing, but as you said, their lack of national race experience is a gamble. It feels like a high-stakes chess game where every move has significant consequences.
2   RWSGFY   2024 Jul 5, 9:35am  

PatrickPioneer says

Interesting perspective! While the idea of a brokered Democratic National Convention sounds like an exciting twist, it's hard to imagine Biden voluntarily stepping down given his current position. The debate performance may have been lackluster, but dismissing his experience entirely seems risky. Plus, sidelining Harris could indeed backfire by alienating key voters. The alternatives like Newsom and Whitmer are intriguing, but as you said, their lack of national race experience is a gamble. It feels like a high-stakes chess game where every move has significant consequences.


AI?
3   DemocratsAreTotallyFucked   2024 Jul 5, 9:42am  

There's nothing unconstitutional about it. No 'end run'.

It's copium masturbation, too. Nothing more.
4   Tenpoundbass   2024 Jul 5, 9:45am  

Barak Obama is innelgible to be anyone's VP pick.
For obvious reasons, that I hope I don't have to mansplain to the dear Patnet readers.
I'll reserve that type of candor for the idiots over at Slate.
5   Nomograph   2024 Jul 5, 9:53am  

RWSGFY says

The real problem is that this isn’t likely to happen.

RWSGFY says

Now his "reset" boy Obama is following in his footsteps.


This is a silly scenario that will obviously never happen. Even the author says so.

It's therefore quite hilarious that the OP would then follow on with comments as if this is actually happening 😂 . It's as if folks scour the Internet looking for things to feel victimized by.
6   RWSGFY   2024 Jul 5, 9:57am  

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says


There's nothing unconstitutional about it. No 'end run'.

It's copium masturbation, too. Nothing more.


It flies in the face of the spirit of the 22nd. Can they pretzel it into some kind of "legality"? Sure can. Pukin did too.
7   Nomograph   2024 Jul 5, 10:01am  

RWSGFY says

t flies in the face of the spirit of the 22nd. Can they pretzel it into some kind of "legality"? Sure can. Pukin did too.

Why do you pretend this is real? The author of the piece you quote just made it up, and even says it won't happen.
8   RWSGFY   2024 Jul 5, 10:03am  

Nomograph says

RWSGFY says


t flies in the face of the spirit of the 22nd. Can they pretzel it into some kind of "legality"? Sure can. Pukin did too.

Why do you pretend this is real? The author of the piece you quote just made it up, and even says it won't happen.


I don't pretend anything. I said they float it, and they do. This is the only statement I made.
9   Nomograph   2024 Jul 5, 10:08am  

RWSGFY says

I said they float it, and they do.

They do?

The only one considering this scenario is the author of a silly online piece, and you.RWSGFY says

This is the only statement I made.


Oh, I could have sworn you said Obama is following in Putin's footsteps. Now you say he isn't? I'm really confused.

Do you believe this conspiracy or not?
10   DemocratsAreTotallyFucked   2024 Jul 5, 12:32pm  

RWSGFY says

It flies in the face of the spirit of the 22nd.


No.it doesn't.
11   PatrickPioneer   2024 Jul 5, 4:05pm  

It’s interesting to think about the potential shake-ups in the Democratic Party. While Biden's debate performance has indeed raised eyebrows, the idea of a brokered convention is a wild card. Dropping Biden would be unprecedented, and bypassing Harris could risk alienating key voter bases. Alternatives like Newsom or Whitmer are intriguing but untested on the national stage. It’s a high-stakes game, and the outcome is anything but certain. What do you think is the best move for the Democrats in this scenario?
12   Ceffer   2024 Jul 5, 4:51pm  

While everybody is pondering Biden Actor's replacement with another actor or puppet, the grim reckoning is that the Illuminati know that this is major false flag time. That Biden (who hasn't changed much in the last couple of years) is suddenly receiving the MSM fake press 'knives in Caeser's back' treatment like a ton of bricks means that they have strategized SOMETHING.

More rapid and diffused informatics and a less paralyzed and agog populace, however, can parse out false flags now within hours of their occurrence. That means a bigger blinding explosion of some kind is necessary to force their dictates.

They can't let the election happen. That to me is the scariest part.
13   RWSGFY   2024 Jul 21, 4:28pm  

Step 1 is done.
14   RWSGFY   2024 Jul 21, 4:29pm  

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

RWSGFY says


It flies in the face of the spirit of the 22nd.


No.it doesn't.


It does too. No one should be out President for 3 times , pretzel logic and phony legalisms be damned. This is the spirit of 22.
15   DemocratsAreTotallyFucked   2024 Jul 21, 4:31pm  

RWSGFY says

times , pretzel logic and phony legalisms be damned. This is the spirit of 22.


There is no fucking 'spirit' of the Constitution.

So just pull all that bullshit outta your ass and get a move on in life.
16   RWSGFY   2024 Jul 21, 4:34pm  

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says


RWSGFY says


times , pretzel logic and phony legalisms be damned. This is the spirit of 22.


There is no fucking 'spirit' of the Constitution.

So just pull all that bullshit outta your ass and get a move on in life.



Your hysterionics are very enterntaining. Almost to the the level of richwicks' (but not there yet).
17   DemocratsAreTotallyFucked   2024 Jul 21, 4:37pm  

RWSGFY says

Your hysterionics are very enterntaining.


You're the one spouting hysterionics. I am just stating fact - which you can not except because it fucks with your worldview. They call that Cognitive Dissonance, btw.
18   RWSGFY   2024 Jul 21, 4:42pm  

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

RWSGFY says


Your hysterionics are very enterntaining.


You're the one


This is childish AF.
19   DemocratsAreTotallyFucked   2024 Jul 21, 5:01pm  

In otherwords, you engage in Magical Thinking, get pissed when someone points it out, and then engage in deflection & projection instead of defending said Magical Thinking..because it's bullshit but your mind can't accept it to be.

Then you totally cop a 'I don't want to play anymore' final statement to that effect. Because your ass has been boxed in and even despite the cognitive dissonance that got you so boxed, you are at least aware of that and thus lash out 'to escape'.

This is how Libtards role, dude. Seriously AF.
21   Karloff   2024 Jul 22, 9:29am  

Isn't there a rule that states one cannot be VP if they are ineligible to be President, specifically due to the ascension possibility?

Of course, said rule should have prevented Kamala from being VP, but rules are ignored these days unless they can be used against the establishment's enemies.
22   fdhfoiehfeoi   2024 Jul 22, 11:42am  

I'm not sure why this question is even being asked given the fake election and fake president. Is anyone really surprised at anything being done at this point? Banana Republic...
23   DemocratsAreTotallyFucked   2024 Jul 22, 2:19pm  

Karloff says

Isn't there a rule that states one cannot be VP if they are ineligible to be President, specifically due to the ascension possibility?


The Constitution lays out the qualifications for vice president, and they're the same as those required for the president. The vice president must have been born in the United States (or on U.S. soil abroad), must be at least 35 years old and must have spent at least 14 years of his or her life in the United States.
24   HeadSet   2024 Jul 22, 3:07pm  

Karloff says

Isn't there a rule that states one cannot be VP if they are ineligible to be President,

What would disqualify Kamala?
25   Karloff   2024 Jul 22, 4:58pm  

It was pertaining to Obama, specifically, but my comment about Kamala is that she's basically an anchor baby. From what I understand, her parents weren't American citizens at the time she was born.
26   DemocratsAreTotallyFucked   2024 Jul 22, 5:29pm  

Karloff says

It was pertaining to Obama, specifically, but my comment about Kamala is that she's basically an anchor baby. From what I understand, her parents weren't American citizens at the time she was born.


She was born on US soil.
27   fdhfoiehfeoi   2024 Jul 24, 7:43am  

And now words I was sure I'd never, ever say.. I agree with Black Lives Matter...


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