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Btw, how close to your face is your cellphone when you read PatNet?

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/smart-phones-as-smart-munitions

smart phones as smart munitions?

war just got a bit more personal

today perhaps we saw an new evolution in warfare as chilling as it is unsurprising.

hezbollah and a variety of other groups have long used old school pagers as a communications modality because, unlike a cell or smart phone, they cannot be tracked. the system just broadcasts, it does not know where you are. it’s like having an FM radio.

this prevented network analysis and prevented them from being tracked and targeted. until now. (at least on the “targeted” piece.)




someone seems to have found the network and managed to cause all the pagers in it to overheat and explode at once to grim effect for those who had them in pockets. ...

some are arguing that israel somehow managed to get a hold of and compromise these pagers, perhaps at a distributor, perhaps by tradecraft of some sort. it’s possible, but i don’t believe it. i just do not believe the pagers turn over that fast or that it could be so easy or effective or accurately targeted without piles of collateral damage.

my wager (and obviously, i’m guessing here and have no special knowledge just a nasty mind and some technical savvy) is that this was more like stuxnet. it’s a software hack that used the code of the pagers to remotely compromise them, take over control at a basic level, and mismanage the battery/thermo processes to make it overheat and explode.

and this means that anything with a Li-ion battery and a network connection just became a highly targeted (and targetable) weapon. a laptop is a claymore. it makes most EV’s into WMD’s. a whole new arms race just started and such weapons tech never stays in the hands of governments for long.

it’s long been a fact of life that computers, cell phones, appliances, and vehicles are laughably insecure from the standpoint of a large nation state’s intelligence communities. if the NSA wants to root your cell phone, you’re getting rooted. ...

but now it has. and genies like this do not go back in the bottle. such ideas, once seen spread and metastasize. gloves come off and things explode. even if this was somehow a case of “we snuck a little semtex into the pagers” this vulnerability vector remains.

did we literally just see half our electronic world become a weapon? are we all carrying grenades with remote pins triggerable by who knows whom? because it sure looks like we are.

and that’s not good.

for a very long time, security around computers, systems, phones, appliances, cars, and 400 other electronic items has lagged hideously, much of it at government behest (and by “behest” i mean “demand” along the lines of “nice company you got there. make your phone OS secure or all your emails auto-encrypted by default and we’ll burn you to the waterline then sink what’s left.)

Patrick says

someone seems to have found the network and managed to cause all the pagers in it to overheat and explode at once to grim effect for those who had them in pockets. ...

some are arguing that israel somehow managed to get a hold of and compromise these pagers, perhaps at a distributor, perhaps by tradecraft of some sort. it’s possible, but i don’t believe it. i just do not believe the pagers turn over that fast or that it could be so easy or effective or accurately targeted without piles of collateral damage.

Really doubt it was the batteries. Here is a video of all types of lithium ion battery fires from phones, tablets, computers, e-cigarettes etc.. Even after the initial (much smaller) explosion, they continue to spark and spit fire.

None of the video we have seen in Lebanon is like this. They are all explosions with no fires.

Many of the victims have lost parts of their limbs which would not be the result of a battery catching fire and exploding.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nz5ijXcckI

Smart phones as smart munitions. Thanks, Israel, we were trying to save that one for a broader mass kill, not just a few wounded Hez.

"for the purpose of the discussion today, let’s put aside the specific tactical geopolitics here (and if folks want to argue about that, i’m sure there are 100 online venues that would be happy to engage.) instead, i’d like to speak more generally about what this means from a tactical standpoint for pretty much every denizen of the developed world:
you all just got tagged onto the battlefield.
and you should know about it.
some are arguing that israel somehow managed to get a hold of and compromise these pagers, perhaps at a distributor, perhaps by tradecraft of some sort. it’s possible, but i don’t believe it. i just do not believe the pagers turn over that fast or that it could be so easy or effective or accurately targeted without piles of collateral damage.
my wager (and obviously, i’m guessing here and have no special knowledge just a nasty mind and some technical savvy) is that this was more like stuxnet. it’s a software hack that used the code of the pagers to remotely compromise them, take over control at a basic level, and mismanage the battery/thermo processes to make it overheat and explode.
and this means that anything with a Li-ion battery and a network connection just became a highly targeted (and targetable) weapon. a laptop is a claymore. it makes most EV’s into WMD’s. a whole new arms race just started and such weapons tech never stays in the hands of governments for long.
it’s long been a fact of life that computers, cell phones, appliances, and vehicles are laughably insecure from the standpoint of a large nation state’s intelligence communities. if the NSA wants to root your cell phone, you’re getting rooted.
presumably, that could have meant “BOOM” for a decade now. they could take down a plane with a laptop thermal excursion or quite literally blow your nuts off with an iphone in a front pocket.
the fact that this has not happened is not technical.
either:
1 it has happened and is just not recognized because there has been no pattern and all the evidence burned
2 or restraint has been applied because the information from such ecosystems far outweighs and role as a weapon and “don’t spook the prey.”
3 or, of course, some mix of the two
but now it has. and genies like this do not go back in the bottle. such ideas, once seen spread and metastasize. gloves come off and things explode. even if this was somehow a case of “we snuck a little semtex into the pagers” this vulnerability vector remains.
did we literally just see half our electronic world become a weapon? are we all carrying grenades with remote pins triggerable by who knows whom? because it sure looks like we are.
and that’s not good"

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/smart-phones-as-smart-munitions#media-bf0f9fb8-fe4d-44da-b386-1379474910ce

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Mossad to the Balls,
And you're in Pain.
Terrorists look at their Undies,
And they see a Red Stain.

- Apologies to Bon Jovi.

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Ceffer says

Well, it's also reckless to fire unguided rockets.

Hezbollah is an elected political party in Lebanon.

When they bomb Warsaw in 39, and Rotterdam in 40, etc. they can't crocodile tears about Dresden in 45.

Turnabout is fair play.

AmericanKulak says

Turnabout is fair play.

Account holder harvesting has no sides, just provocations and body counts. As the bodies pile higher and deeper on both sides, the banksters smile. Tavistock smiles, too.

Ceffer says

Account holder harvesting has no sides, just provocations and body counts. As the bodies pile higher and deeper on both sides, the banksters smile.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Bankers will profit from any war, just or unjust. That's why "All Wars are Banker wars" is false wisdom.

Did the Iranian Ambassador to Lebanon have a Hezbollah provided Pager?

I guarantee you those pagers with their little batteries didn't go off like that.They'd keep cooking off or burning.

Pretty sure this was a tampered with shipment with a little extra placed inside.

Nobody could assure that these devices were being detonated exclusively in the proximity of combatants. The superficial schadenfreude creates justification for more Hatfield and McCoy exchanges of atrocities, ultimately zero sum. Of course, maybe that's the purpose.

AmericanKulak says

Did the Iranian Ambassador to Lebanon have a Hezbollah provided Pager?

Does Pope shit in the woods?

Ceffer says

Nobody could assure that these devices were being detonated exclusively in the proximity of combatants. The superficial schadenfreude creates justification for more Hatfield and McCoy exchanges of atrocities, ultimately zero sum. Of course, maybe that's the purpose.

They all went off a few seconds after receiving a text; and they blew up, they didn't just heat up. Like I said, a litle beeper couldn't blow in seconds like what happened in the videos just by overriding the battery controls or something. At worst, they would have heated up and people would have thrown them out of their pockets; not have them completely blow up seconds after a notification. There was something extra special in those beepers.

I suspect Hezbollah ordered a bunch from China that were transhipped or resold from Dubai, and the Mossad got the shipment and had them packed with a little special unadvertised feature of plastic explosive.

The Gulf Arabs hate Hezbollah and Iran more than the Israelis do, something that Syrian Girl and Dawson don't like to mention.

Methinks there is going to be another Hezbollah mole hunt over this one.

Ceffer says

Nobody could assure that these devices were being detonated exclusively in the proximity of combatants. The superficial schadenfreude creates justification for more Hatfield and McCoy exchanges of atrocities, ultimately zero sum. Of course, maybe that's the purpose.

You literally can't get more precise than this type of attack.

Fuckin world record level of precision.

But people still find ways to complain......

That's like science fiction if the Israelis could do that.

Shit. Nowhere to hide the explosives. Unless the phone IS the explosive.

This guy claims explosives are not needed:

The opposite:

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Yeah Patrick, I heard on news radio that the Hezbollah leader told his soldiers to switch from cell phones to pagers and that explosives were put into the pagers at the manufacturing plant.

Not sure how feasible it is for the Mossad,etc. gaining access to this manufacturing plant in Taiwan and plant those explosives.

Let alone how did they go undetected as far as at least one worker at the manufacturing plant to not inform on this.

Or these pagers were intercepted by the Mossas in the supply chain like at the Fed Ex warehouse in Lebanon ?

Android and Chromebook have safety features like thermal throttling to protect from overheating.

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Well, what seems the most likely speculation to me (which may be no reflection of the reality) is that they had the interceptive tech to explode the batteries.

Intercepting thousands of pagers, disassembling them precisely with a precise amount of explosive in the precise way for all of them sounds unusually labor intensive and lengthy unless it was done de novo right at the factory as part of the original assembly process. It does not seem likely the factory would have been complicit in such a plot. Also, the devices already have the bomb built in, why add another?

It would also leave duds that didn't explode that could be examined after the fact because very low probability every single one would have gone off as intended.

They posit the 'explosive' theory after the fact to disinform or cover up their particular ability to trigger the batteries in the way they did?

They likely pulled a boner in their impulsive glee revealing something that they should not have i.e. that lithium batteries can be exploded remotely like that and used as weapons. Of course, cynicism in this day and age and the multi tasking of the Global syndicates would make such remote detonation an almost a priori logical deduction. LOL! Green assassination and maiming. It would also please the demonic tendencies.

I burned my arm with a Galaxy sports watch that was supposed to be measuring some health variable. I was surprised it got that hot that fast. I turned it off, never repeated the measurement, and it was otherwise fine after that, but am not surprised these items could be triggered as small bombs.

I'm still inclined to think that there is a counter-disinfo to exonerate the widely used technologies or that these were 'special' pagers. There would be an immediate denial apparatus to reassure the public they weren't carrying remote triggered bombs.

Even if they could just put in particular batteries that contained explosive, who is to say how many of these bomb batteries are out there, where, and how and when are they intended to be detonated? It almost doesn't matter if regular batteries can or cannot do this. They have demonstrated that they can seed bomb batteries into standard products at will.

How many of these bomb batteries are there, and where are they? How and where were they manufactured and in what numbers? The batteries obviously functioned 'normally' up to the point they exploded. How many of these bomb batteries are going be showing up on the black market? All you have to do is have a remote triggering software and place a bomb battery into the phone of your target(s) when they are unaware? Or sell batches of standard product specially equipped with bomb batteries? It's a terrorist genie that they have let out of the bottle and it is not going to remain exclusively in the hands of Israelis.



https://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=246316

"O.K. ,now no cell phones or any electronic devices allowed on any airliner at any time. Israel just shut down the planet. This is the black swan event."

Will stock market movements and the short sales and puts reflect the newly minted mass terrorism?

Ceffer says

Going after a government that just remotely exploded thousands of devices in a coordinated attack, killing several and injuring thousands, really does not seem to be a wise move.

I see no women or children, only adult men.

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

Some Millennials and a lot of GenZs are asking online, "what's a pager?"

That and this video of a Beirut ER is FAF.

The Israelis are badass.

It’s funny, I put up a thread here maybe 8 or so years ago calling the government gangster. The few remaining Democrat supporters on Pat.net at that time incorrectly objected to my description.

And here Israel goes and pulls one of the most gangster moves of all time, on par with Heisenberg coordinating a attack killing 10 men in different prisons simultaneously just so he didn’t have to pay off their families for their continued silence.

Right now in Lebanon, not just most Marionites but also many Sunni Muslims are laughing their asses off, too.

They hate the Shi'a punks and like to see them get their comeuppance.

It's a much better strategy that risking attacking urban areas where Hezbollah has their depots and bunkers on purpose.