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Rin has a hypothetical question for PatNetters


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2024 Nov 8, 10:00am   179 views  15 comments

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Ok, this is a little out there but I would like some opinions.

As of now, everyone knows that I'm involved with a Welsh woman and we spend an inordinate amount of time in her home country and that's the way she likes it which is fine for me.

https://patrick.net/post/1382120/2024-09-21-i-think-it-s-time-that-ceffer-a-o

Now, let's say that the 'Unspeakable' happens ... Rin and Claire settle down and have a child together. Here's my concern, I'm perfectly fine raising a child in Wales as we could settle in some small town, homeschool our kid with the local council's housekeeping seal of approval, and thus, he/she would be raised w/o a bunch of sociopathic Tik-Tokers ruining his/her childhood and mental health.

With that stated, I've realized that even though our child would have dual citizenship, only in the UK, is it 'ok' for a potential PM to be born abroad as the British have always had an overseas Empire and routinely sent families across the oceans to manage the Empire's dominions. In contrast, most Americans will never accept Rin Jr nor Claire Jr as an authentic American and thus, it would hurt his/her chances for a Presidency w/o everyone crowding into Cambridge MA's dank city hall records, catching all kinds of molds and diseases to verify that Rin Jr was in fact, descended from Rin Sr as a natural born American. So my idea is that I know folks near Norfolk-to-Virginia Beach VA area and they have great pre & post-natal care centers where Claire and I could temporarily live, if she has a child. Is this a good idea or should I say ... f'k the American Presidency, if my child wants it, she'll have to get her own campaign manager not me.

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1   stereotomy   2024 Nov 8, 10:21am  

I can't speak to the UK angle, but the Constitution of the United States is clear - any President preferentially needs to be born on US soil or of US citizens living abroad, then at least living in the US for at least 14 years before his /her election.

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artII-S1-C5-1/ALDE_00013692/



The Qualifications Clause set forth in Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 requires the President to be a natural-born citizen, at least thirty-five years of age, and a resident of the United States for at least fourteen years.

The Framers appear to have adopted the requirement that citizens be natural born citizens to ensure that the President’s loyalties would lie strictly with the United States. By barring naturalized citizens from the presidency, the requirement of being a natural born citizen, as Justice Story explained, protects the United States from ambitious foreigners, who might otherwise be intriguing for the office; and interposes a barrier against those corrupt interferences of foreign governments in executive elections, which have inflicted the most serious evils upon the elected monarchies of Europe.
2   Rin   2024 Nov 8, 10:27am  

stereotomy says


Constitution of the United States is clear - any President needs to be born on US soil.


Actually, this is not true. Legally speaking, it has to be a natural born US citizen which in this case is Jus Sanguinis, by blood. I know that historically, American women weren't able to pass their citizenship to a child, which was the whole Barack Obama 'Birther' thing but today, due to clearer guidelines, any child of any American citizen is a natural born citizen whether it's born in Norfolk VA, the US base in Germany, or some town in Wales.
3   Rin   2024 Nov 8, 10:30am  

Since many Americans believe what you're saying then it is imperative that Claire and I use our resources to get our potential future kid born in VA instead of Wales, if he/she wants a shot at the Presidency w/o having to fight legal battles w/ the detractors of the future.
4   Rin   2024 Nov 8, 10:38am  

FYI, the other reason why I picked VA over my home state of MA is that I know that outside of Jack Kennedy, NO Massachusetts leader will ever be elected to the Presidency as he'll always be viewed as some radical liberal than a moderate. Norfolk VA is right on the line between North and South and thus, makes for a better story. I'll let Claire Jr's campaign manager deal with the specifics in 2070. Hopefully, I'll be dead by then.
5   KgK one   2024 Nov 8, 10:57am  

You are as american as anyone who migrated after columbus discovered it. Discovery is also questionable given many already lived here. He got lost in the world when ppl thought world was flat.

Find good school district in usa where they won't turn your child into lgbtq n u be all right.

What's happening to your doll. Is Clare OK with it.
6   Rin   2024 Nov 8, 11:07am  

KgK one says

What's happening to your doll. Is Clare OK with it.


Claire and I have been doing dolls 'threesome style' together ...

https://patrick.net/post/1381600/2024-07-06-someone-needs-to-take-over-rin-wah-law?start=2#comment-2081925

KgK one says

Find good school district in usa where they won't turn your child into lgbtq n u be all right.


I'm not sure if this is a feasible solution these days. If one tries 'too hard', then you're labelled a child abuser. In a world like ours, parents need to be in charge and raise their kids to be citizens of a western world which came to an end, somewhere between 1970 and 1995.
7   Ceffer   2024 Nov 8, 11:34am  

Just avoid Portland. You don't want a child born with purple and green hair.

Congratulations on the Rin bouncing baby of the future.
8   stereotomy   2024 Nov 8, 12:04pm  

@Rin and Claire will be loaded as fuck - they can live anywhere and pay anyone anything to do whatever they want (and set up the cams to make sure it's done).

At this point it's about finding an appropriate environment for socializing any spawn (here I'm making a hopeful but completely unwarranted assumption). The things kids learn in their first five years are both incredible and immutable.
9   WookieMan   2024 Nov 8, 1:06pm  

Rin says

I'm not sure if this is a feasible solution these days. If one tries 'too hard', then you're labelled a child abuser. In a world like ours, parents need to be in charge and raise their kids to be citizens of a western world which came to an end, somewhere between 1970 and 1995.

You're overthinking it. Don't live in a city. You clearly haven't raised a child. I'm right leaning, but you're taking the right LGTBQ crap hook line and sinker. Rural public schools are fine and is not like that at all. Hell I was in on half their classes during covid. YOU also parent and tell them that's bull shit.

If you've got so much money get a chopper or jet if you need to be somewhat near a city and live in the middle of nowhere and fly in. Small town schools are not like yuppie suburbs. I'm talking America. Or home school as you said. I don't think that's a good route though. 80% of school is being able to socialize with other humans. No one that's in the school wants to hang out with home schoolers. Private school is even worse.

Earlier this year some former friends moved because their kid sucked at socializing. They thought Ohio would be the solution. Ultimately everything is on the parents. Mom for nurturing and dad for discipline and fun. I label myself as hight IQ brash personality. I'd tread lightly if you have a kid with the sex doll in the house as well. That's as bad as LGTBQ crap. Both are not normal at all.
10   Rin   2024 Nov 9, 12:29am  

WookieMan says


with the sex doll in the house


It's well hidden, otherwise, Claire and I would never have guests over. The average person would call mental health services on us.

If we have a child, it'll be locked up in case the kid decides to play Sherlock Holmes, searching through our hidden chambers. I believe many British kids were influenced by 'Lion, Witch, and Wardrobe' and look for hidden portals to magical places. And apparently, every other person in Wales believes in some sort of magic.

WookieMan says


Rural public schools are fine


Once you're out of Cardiff, Newport, and Swansea, much of Wales is rural and thus, is a good setup. Unlike rural northern VT, which looks and feels a lot like Wales (apart from the rocky, amazing Welsh coastline), people are a lot friendlier and you don't see the Boston/NYC type of ex-burb crowds ruining the place. Plus, for any reliable connectivity, one will need satellite internet in rural Wales.

And I'm also slowly learning Welsh, as I've learned from a French-American couple that the mother speaks her native tongue and the dad responds in English around the kids. Today, both of their children are bilingual. FYI, everyone in Wales speaks English so it's not like entering some medieval festival with Dreigiau a Swynwyr (Dragons & Sorcerers) role players.

Ceffer says


Congratulations on the Rin bouncing baby of the future.


Stop acting like my trader friend and his wife in London. It hasn't happened yet.

It's what's known as a feasibly reasonable "future reality".
11   Rin   2024 Nov 9, 1:02am  

Here's the issue with northern Vermont, between Dec and Mar, it's fricking cold (10-20 degrees colder than Boston), snowy, and miserable. Then, when it does warm up, the following Lake which has doppelgangers in rural Wales ...



Turns into the Bostonian-NYCer meetup waterfront club ...



Sure, crowds pick up in the summer time anywhere, but in VT, it's almost like the ex-burb mosquitoes show up in droves.

Plus, the fact that it does periodically rain in Wales, doesn't encourage the urban crowds to pitch tent. And thus, between downpours, you can have the entire place to yourself or with a small no of ppl.

And then, after you've had your outdoors fun, you can enter the nearly town and have a meal/drink at the local pub and meet some ppl whereas in VT, it'll be some motel/hotel where the people mainly talk w/ those they'd already arrived with.
12   Rin   2024 Nov 9, 3:16am  

I forgot one thing which is important ... neither Claire nor I play soccer (international football). Apparently, the skill level of that sport in Britain is so high that it makes it tough for the regular person to get to any competitive level.

What's strange is that both of us play basketball as a team sport, and she's on a local women's club where apparently, she seems "to know" a lot about Gregg Popovich as far as executing continuous pick n roll offenses w/o Pops coaching her. And yeah, she's watched Olajuwon coach the jump hook w/ the Dream Shake and uses that when she can't roll off the pick. In effect, the defense knows she's a better player than the person for whom she's helping with the screen.

Part of this discrepancy likely stems from the fact that b-ball isn’t very popular in Britain, allowing anyone who plays to feel like a bit of a star, even if it’s just for fun and not taken too seriously.

So now ... it looks like we need to add soccer (sorry, football) training to our list of things to do. Claire agrees and now, we have to get embarrassed by everyone in town. Meanwhile, in kickboxing, she can just beat up the opposing girl or do some Brazilian Capoeira moves and scare the girl out of the dojo.

I guess that's balance ... suck at one thing, excel in another.
13   Booger   2024 Nov 9, 4:45am  

Go to whichever place has the most favorable divorce/alimony/ child support laws and practices.
14   Reality   2024 Nov 9, 6:21am  

The Obama qualification issue was not about whether a mother would pass citizenship, but whether he was born on US soil. (Until some legal opinions in the past decade or so) the legal concensus regarding POTUS qualification included requiring the person to be born on US soil. That was an issue raised also regarding McCain, who was born in the Panama Canal Zone, which many thought was in a foreign country but was resolved as at the time of his birth was a US exclave (similar to US embassy overseas) as his father was one of the top US Navy officers holding a navy command in the Panama Canal Zone. In terms of passing citizenship (not POTUS qualification), the historical US precedence was giving more credence to maternal parentage than to paternal parentage (largely due to the children allegedly fathered by US troops stationed in overseas bases with local women outside marriages).

Virginia recognizes common law marriage, whereas Wales and MA don't. OTOH, I know someone in a state that does not recognize common law marriage but having the state supreme court judges deciding a marriage existed because the two had filed joint tax returns for a couple decades before the woman filed for divorce. Wales also requires marriage to last at least one year before filing divorce, and a divorce in Wales takes at least 6 months due to procedural requirements.

IMHO, the most advantageous way / safest way to have a baby is through a birthing contract: you the man pay a cash prize or a stream of monthly cash flow for many years after birth (or a combination of both) in exchange for the woman to give birth and give the child's custody to you. That way you can avoid a lot of the hassles that mother's right-to-change-mind / emotional instability will have on the child in the future. Your making the lady independently wealthy before the child is born gets in the way of that as most women would use your help getting her where she is as negotiating leverage against you instead of being appreciative like a man usually would assume.
15   Rin   2024 Nov 9, 8:29am  

Reality says

which many thought was in a foreign country but was resolved as at the time of his birth was a US exclave (similar to US embassy overseas) as his father was one of the top US Navy officers holding a navy command in the Panama Canal Zone. In terms of passing citizenship (not POTUS qualification), the historical US precedence was giving more credence to maternal parentage than to paternal parentage (largely due to the children allegedly fathered by US troops stationed in overseas bases with local women outside marriages).


I believe that that's changed, as Ted Cruz was most definitely born in Canada to a US parent. But still, in terms of giving a potential offspring of mine a chance, being setup at a pre & post-natal care facility in VA will do the job, as being born abroad means 'less American' and being born in MA means being a 'radical liberal'.

Reality says

That way you can avoid a lot of the hassles that mother's right-to-change-mind / emotional instability will have on the child in the future. Your making the lady independently wealthy before the child is born gets in the way of that as most women would use your help getting her where she is as negotiating leverage against you instead of being appreciative like a man usually would assume.


Unfortunately, I will take a chance on her right to change her mind, etc. I still have a country to run back to. I've avoided 100% of women for the past decade plus and finally see one who does, in many ways, have the mind (or soul, if you want to get metaphysical) of a male brother than a histrionic sister, which BTW ... describes my biological sister. And I do feel sorry for my brother-in-law. Interesting to note, TurtleDove took exception to that, when I brought it up. I knew that she was living in a glasshouse, some time before the tragedy.

All and all, I'm not inspired to have a kid, for the sake of expanding the Rin lineage into the future. I would only want one with a mother who's also my lifelong companion even if something goes wrong down the road. Children should view their parents as allies, not warring psychos.

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