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2024 Dec 30, 7:29pm   21,602 views  628 comments

by Patrick   follow (60)  

https://www.amren.com/features/2024/12/india-its-worse-than-you-think/


India: It’s Worse Than You Think

Most Westerners know nothing about India beyond vague ideas about Hinduism, yoga, gurus, and maybe a dash of Bollywood. To such people, this article will be a rude awakening. ...

I had first returned to India with the idea of improving it, but after 11 years, I realized that India was a sinking ship, with worsening and increasingly shameless corruption, degraded people, and a society that was falling apart. I had never met an honest bureaucrat or politician. I applied to emigrate to Canada and my application was approved in a record three weeks.

I now advise East Asian and Western corporations on investing in India. Most of what I tell them sounds to them exaggerated, unrealistic, and unbelievable. After much dance, drama, and a great deal of lost money, they begin to believe what I tell them. However, this learning is never institutionalized because of a refusal to understand India. This is a form of political correctness, a poison eating away the innards of Western values.

When I was a child growing up in India, I learned that “might makes right.” Power was often abused, with those in control acting as if they had a God-given right to exploit and dominate others. The display of authority could be so extreme that questioning it or expecting those in power to do their duty might lead to retribution. Those in authority seemed to believe that their positions were not for serving others but for personal gain.

People who showed respect appeared to have meekly accepted a lower, subservient position. Kind people had to hide their compassion, for being nice was seen as a weakness.

In India, I have rarely seen someone in authority take the initiative to solve a problem he was responsible for. When I was at university, an underaged boy who worked in the kitchen was raped and sodomized by the janitors. I reported the matter, but not only did no one in authority do what was right — something well within their power — the authorities and fellow students threatened me with severe consequences if I pursued the matter further. Devoid of empathy, they also made fun of the boy and me.

Yes, there is an element of sadism here. There is some degree of pleasure that Indians take in the pain suffered by others. The attitude of the authorities was like that of the high-placed Delhi bureaucrat who told me that his Black Label whiskey tastes so much better because he knows that most Indians can’t afford to drink it.

This confuses Westerners. If they had power, even if they were corrupt, in a situation where there was nothing to gain or lose — no bribes to receive since both parties were poor, and no risk of offending someone well-connected — they would do the right thing and book the alleged rapist. These Indians would do nothing, not even lift a finger, unless there was a reward: money or sex. Their apathy was bottomless.


The article goes on about how incredibly low-trust India is as a society.

True? Any people from India want to opine on this?

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261   Patrick   2025 Jul 5, 1:33pm  

Why is there any business license requirement at all, beyond establishing the identity of the owners so that someone is liable for whatever illegal activity the business does?
262   Maga_Chaos_Monkey   2025 Jul 5, 1:36pm  

Patrick says

Why is there any business license requirement at all, beyond establishing the identity of the owners so that someone is liable for whatever illegal activity the business does?


Hawaii requires it for vacation rentals. You get tax ids to pay several types of taxes, like the hotel industry does.
263   Blue   2025 Jul 5, 2:28pm  

Patrick says

Why is there any business license requirement at all, beyond establishing the identity of the owners so that someone is liable for whatever illegal activity the business does?

Result of communism in action!
Lots gov employees are selected not based on the merit!
Most of them have no clue about the real world!
Long time ago, I applied for one to manufacture TVs and kept going to the office to get appointment. When I finally able to meet with official after bribing who immediately told me so many things are wrong with my application and threatening the consequences if I don’t get so many certifications.
That would take few years!
He gaslighted me that I was already making TVs! That means more bribes. Turns out, there are so many gov devils in line hiding for money ;)
Finally got paperwork only to realize that a small fraction of the sales should go to paper work to cover very high taxes and still have to pay monthly bribes for things which are not on the paper!
I am sure, things might have changed a little bit now but not enough to compete with other countries.
264   zzyzzx   2025 Jul 9, 11:06am  

India’s aircraft carrier INS Vikrant has left its port and is heading toward Pakistan.

266   KgK one   2025 Jul 12, 10:17am  

America used to be pristine, but they have chopped down trees ,killed million of animals n now whole country is cookie cutter ExxonMobil, walmart, mcdonald. Nukes for experimentation.l, 3 mile island. Some drug addicts have made cities into shit hole. There are lot of white people with drug money who poop in LA, i get when people don't have money or bathroom, but la is richest in the world. look at La poop map . There is also kensington philly, n other cities like this.


https://www.instagram.com/reel/DL3zwHYTK2E/?igsh=OW5jbHd6MTczcmx4

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Wait till u learn what Europeans did n their stench.
https://youtube.com/shorts/15DjTrBaQaQ?si=pg_cmk5Qd-xv8CGb

French history
https://medium.com/@imran.haidree/the-smelly-history-of-french-royals-filth-feces-and-fragrance-navigating-the-smelly-streets-6bec914401e1

https://nstperfume.com/2010/07/23/the-great-stink-of-paris-and-the-nineteenth-century-struggle-against-filth-and-germs-by-david-s-barnes-perfume-books/

Americans are most comfortable with poop.20% eat ass. https://www.menshealth.com/sex-women/a34362307/how-to-eat-ass-analingus/
And so many porn sites on these in usa .
268   MolotovCocktail   2025 Jul 14, 10:17pm  

18 floor building and not a single toilet for him to use?

Why is India sooo fucked up when it comes to simple sanitation and potty training?

I bet the second thing the first Indian to step on the Moon does is defecate on it.


269   HeadSet   2025 Jul 15, 6:47am  

MolotovCocktail says

I bet the second thing the first Indian to step on the Moon does is defecate on it.

Too late. The Apollo folks have already left bags of poop on the moon.
270   RWSGFY   2025 Jul 15, 7:31am  

HeadSet says

MolotovCocktail says


I bet the second thing the first Indian to step on the Moon does is defecate on it.

Too late. The Apollo folks have already left bags of poop on the moon.


Bags? That's amateur hour. It's steaming pile or GTFO!
271   MolotovCocktail   2025 Jul 15, 7:54am  

HeadSet says


Too late. The Apollo folks have already left bags of poop on the moon.


Nope. Internet bullshit pushed by Indians at NASA. In reality:

NASA insisted that the astronauts bring back all of their feces for examination, so after the Apollo astronauts finished doing their business, they had to seal up their baggies and "knead" them, as the report details, mixing in some all-important bactericide that would allow the excrement to get safely back to Earth.


https://www.businessinsider.com/bathroom-toilet-on-apollo-moon-missions-2019-7?op=1
272   KgK one   2025 Jul 15, 8:23am  

Am i missing something, do some people not poop, or their shit doesn't stink?

India built 120 million new toilets in addition to existing ones. External pooping has decreased significantly. For a country that was made poor over 200 years, it is trying to improve.

If someone has urgency , shit happens. There are numerous such videos in usa n china. India is not even in top list per 100k population. Google bans shitting videos but lot of cities have numerous people on drugs n mental issues doing that in usa.
For a country well off, like usa this is crazy. https://www.instagram.com/reel/DL3zwHYTK2E/?igsh=OW5jbHd6MTczcmx4
273   Patrick   2025 Jul 15, 9:05am  

@"KgK one" I don't like all the insults to India either.
274   WookieMan   2025 Jul 15, 9:50am  

I've had to shit on the side of the road. Hence the term "shit happens" I keep 2 rolls of TP in the car. Usually I'd go into a cornfield or woods. Sometimes the emergency is enough that it's the two passenger doors open to block me and I just drop it on the shoulder.

Generally though I can get to a store or forest preserve. I think I've only had 2-3 road side dumps or the other option was cancel all plans and sit in my shit until I got home... not happening.

Camping is a different story. I've had to dig a hole and crap in at least 5 states camping. Boundary Water up in MN is a biggie. 5 days with no facilities.

Shitting on the street in an urban area, hell no. I live rural so I have options to get out and fertilize the corn.
276   HeadSet   2025 Jul 15, 12:23pm  

MolotovCocktail says

HeadSet says



Too late. The Apollo folks have already left bags of poop on the moon.


Nope. Internet bullshit pushed by Indians at NASA. In reality:


NASA insisted that the astronauts bring back all of their feces for examination, so after the Apollo astronauts finished doing their business, they had to seal up their baggies and "knead" them, as the report details, mixing in some all-important bactericide that would allow the excrement to get safely back to Earth.


https://www.businessinsider.com/bathroom-toilet-on-apollo-moon-missions-2019-7?op=1

That was true for poop in the Command Module, but some dispute as to what hapended with the diapers after landing on the moon, where their was an advantage is leaving weight behind for take off.
https://space.stackexchange.com/questions/37952/did-apollo-leave-poop-on-the-moon
278   MolotovCocktail   2025 Aug 8, 8:29am  

Shorter version: Fuck around and find out.


279   KgK one   2025 Aug 8, 9:57am  

Whole EU, china n many other buy oil from Russia. Even uSA buys many things from Russia. Remember when oil prices were 5 to 9 $ per gallon n inflation was up. If India didn't buy, oil prices would be even higher due to limited supply.

Unless you are printing dollars, most of the world has limited money n poor. They buy cheapest they can get.

If India purchases gmo dairy then it's own food supply would die out n becomes dependant.

dai
280   Misc   2025 Aug 9, 8:36pm  

Now put a tiny 5% tax on remittances to India. - Maybe Modi's base will not like that as much.
282   MolotovCocktail   2025 Aug 10, 10:47am  

Misc says


Now put a tiny 5% tax on remittances to India. - Maybe Modi's base will not like that as much.


Probably Congress will need to get involved to levy a tax. Nit gonna happen. But maybe Trump can add an 'administrative fee'. $250 or so.

Problem with that is people will use third countries to get around that or more ppl will use crypto like etherium and stable coins.
283   Patrick   2025 Aug 10, 11:10am  

Indians have an older system for moving money, hawala. Give money to a member of a banking family on this side, and someone in India can go collect from a different family member in India.

Impossible to stop it or tax it.
293   PeopleUnited   2025 Sep 4, 7:35am  

Patrick says

"KgK one" I don't like all the insults to India either.

But it is ok to insult and demonize Jews right? Patnet is becoming a haven for those who seek to scapegoat Jews. It’s not a good look.
294   Patrick   2025 Sep 4, 8:24am  

The problem is that there are legitimate and illegitimate complaints to be made about every group and they often get mixed.

I think it's over the line to post the comic of the hook-nosed Jew rubbing his hands together, or the big-lipped black guy stealing a bike. I don't want to censor, so my compromise is that those should go in the political incorrectness thread.

But it's also true that Jews have a disproportionate involvement in financial crime, and blacks in violent crime. Obviously not all of either group, just provably disproportionate, and it's legitimate to ask exactly why that is. The mainstream media will never ask why that is. All discussion of such topics is ruthlessly censored, and white people are demonized instead. That's not a good look either.
295   RWSGFY   2025 Sep 4, 8:58am  

According to out friend KgK sober indians behave the same way as mentally ill SF junkies, lol.

He's quite an indian-hater.
296   KgK one   2025 Sep 4, 9:31am  

RWSGFY says


According to out friend KgK sober indians behave the same way as mentally ill SF junkies, lol.

He's quite an indian-hater.

Point is not to compare those. But to point out there are way more non-indian people who behave badly in public compare to them but media n racist exagerate few instances.

San fancosco had 750,000 homeless, almost poop on street n you don't see this much news on it. Same in ny, Newark, philadelphia. For well off country this is not good. For india where, 200years of colonism left india poor from one of the richest, this is expected since they don't have all the facilities yet. They built 90 million toilets, so issue is lot less now.
https://www.instagram.com/share/reel/BAPAdF9yt9
297   Patrick   2025 Sep 4, 9:38am  

True, I don't think any Indians are shitting on the street in the US.

It's all from the drug addicts, who are mostly either white or black.
298   RWSGFY   2025 Sep 4, 10:43am  

The point here is the behavior cinsidered not normal in the West and perpetuated only by people obviously mentally ill and addicted to hard drugs is considered pretty normal and mainstream in India. One of my kid's middle school Indian classmates proclaimed that shitting outside is more healthy and hygienic than using a toilet. If an Indian kid living in California thinks like that it means he has picked it up from his parents' culture and hears this at home.

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