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2024 Dec 30, 7:29pm   1,890 views  121 comments

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https://www.amren.com/features/2024/12/india-its-worse-than-you-think/


India: It’s Worse Than You Think

Most Westerners know nothing about India beyond vague ideas about Hinduism, yoga, gurus, and maybe a dash of Bollywood. To such people, this article will be a rude awakening. ...

I had first returned to India with the idea of improving it, but after 11 years, I realized that India was a sinking ship, with worsening and increasingly shameless corruption, degraded people, and a society that was falling apart. I had never met an honest bureaucrat or politician. I applied to emigrate to Canada and my application was approved in a record three weeks.

I now advise East Asian and Western corporations on investing in India. Most of what I tell them sounds to them exaggerated, unrealistic, and unbelievable. After much dance, drama, and a great deal of lost money, they begin to believe what I tell them. However, this learning is never institutionalized because of a refusal to understand India. This is a form of political correctness, a poison eating away the innards of Western values.

When I was a child growing up in India, I learned that “might makes right.” Power was often abused, with those in control acting as if they had a God-given right to exploit and dominate others. The display of authority could be so extreme that questioning it or expecting those in power to do their duty might lead to retribution. Those in authority seemed to believe that their positions were not for serving others but for personal gain.

People who showed respect appeared to have meekly accepted a lower, subservient position. Kind people had to hide their compassion, for being nice was seen as a weakness.

In India, I have rarely seen someone in authority take the initiative to solve a problem he was responsible for. When I was at university, an underaged boy who worked in the kitchen was raped and sodomized by the janitors. I reported the matter, but not only did no one in authority do what was right — something well within their power — the authorities and fellow students threatened me with severe consequences if I pursued the matter further. Devoid of empathy, they also made fun of the boy and me.

Yes, there is an element of sadism here. There is some degree of pleasure that Indians take in the pain suffered by others. The attitude of the authorities was like that of the high-placed Delhi bureaucrat who told me that his Black Label whiskey tastes so much better because he knows that most Indians can’t afford to drink it.

This confuses Westerners. If they had power, even if they were corrupt, in a situation where there was nothing to gain or lose — no bribes to receive since both parties were poor, and no risk of offending someone well-connected — they would do the right thing and book the alleged rapist. These Indians would do nothing, not even lift a finger, unless there was a reward: money or sex. Their apathy was bottomless.


The article goes on about how incredibly low-trust India is as a society.

True? Any people from India want to opine on this?

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32   KgK one   2025 Jan 6, 1:51pm  

U mean British were cruel n racist? No way. British tried to demean everyone they ruled.

Lot of the cruelty has been deleted or removed but many left mark for history. Besides their white wife in England, most had 2nd indian women, which they had 2nd family. Hard to tell if they were voluntary or for money n food, or forced into that role.

They use machine gun on 3000 protestors. Mostly sikh women n children. Hope farmerwon (muslim guy pretending to be sikh) knows.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jallianwala_Bagh_massacre

Ist diamond mine discovered in india. https://www.kgkgroup.com/diamond-origin-history/
Kohinoor Crown jewel dismind is from indian diamond. Indian king gave them as gift for colonizing them. Many more stolen like that.

George Orwell author of 1984 was born in india. This might be positive.

Roman numeral VIX.. no zero, india created 0 long ago. None of computer stuff exist without 0.

Some say that the laws of motion of Isaac Newton are similar to the laws of motion of Rishi Kanada, an ancient Indian philosopher:
British n Germans stole lot of books. Isn't it hugh coincident that eu Renaissance happened after coloninism. Lot of this wisdom may be just translated info.

You heard of black slaves but British took lot of Indians to Africa for labor. N bought up most of the grains killing 100 million indians.

British were not even Christians. This knowledge is based off the last kingdom show. They lost their own identity. With all that money could have lived nicely but They even tried to eliminate Scottish n Irish , french , german many times.

No one is made aware but lot of British troops in ww1 n 2 were indian.
33   indc   2025 Jan 6, 7:14pm  

@patrick,

How did you come about this article by Jayant Bhandari? The reason I ask is becos he is a china hawk. Indians call him an idiot because he doesn't try to understand india but want to make it a copy of west.
We had central bank head who was dropped in by america. He was talking shit about present indian govt policies becos they replaced him. Now he is praising the same govt as they came into power 3rd time. And none of his economic doom and gloom predictions came to fruition.
So before you share such reports just check the authors background.
I can share videos of "foreigners" who are actually living in India if you really want to understand India.
34   Patrick   2025 Jan 6, 8:28pm  

@indc

I often look at https://www.amren.com/ because it has some good articles. I wasn't looking for anything about India.
35   TechBrosWon   2025 Jan 6, 8:33pm  

@patrick
Do You relate to this?

https://www.amren.com/blog/2025/01/a-white-man-in-the-indian-dominated-tech-sector/
A White Man in the Indian-Dominated Tech Sector
36   Patrick   2025 Jan 6, 8:56pm  

Yes, somewhat. I'm old enough that when I started working at a programmer, there were no Indians. First met a few out here in Silicon Valley in about 2000. Then there were more, and now it's a flood. I went to a tech conference a few months ago and it seemed to be 95% Indian. That was pretty surprising.

I've had experiences like in that article, but not just with Indians. A Chinese guy I worked with was trying to get his US citizenship and was annoyed at having to study for the test. He told me straight out: "I don't give a shit about America. I'm just here for the money." Wow.

But the US has always been like that to some degree. Most of the waves of immigration were about money. But immigrants used to really want to become American and show that they were assimilating and leaving the old country behind. Now they don't do that so much.
37   TechBrosWon   2025 Jan 6, 9:00pm  

Patrick says

Yes, somewhat. I'm old enough that when I started working at a programmer, there were no Indians. First met a few out here in Silicon Valley in about 2000. Then there were more, and now it's a flood. I went to a tech conference a few months ago and it seemed to be 95% Indian. That was pretty surprising.

I've had experiences like in that article, but not just with Indians. A Chinese guy I worked with was trying to get his US citizenship and was annoyed at having to study for the test. He told me straight out: "I don't give a shit about America. I'm just here for the money." Wow.

But the US has always been like that to some degree. Most of the waves of immigration were about money. But immigrants used to really want to become American and show that they were assimilating and leaving the old country behind. Now they don't do that so much.


I think lack of communication and distance of US from any of Asian nations left no choice but to integrate.
Also population was low.

US needs to seriously put a m,moratorium for 10 years on immigration.
38   WookieMan   2025 Jan 7, 8:51am  

Patrick says

But the US has always been like that to some degree. Most of the waves of immigration were about money. But immigrants used to really want to become American and show that they were assimilating and leaving the old country behind. Now they don't do that so much.

If all you're doing is sending money back home so family can live in glory get fucked. Get out of here. Fix your country first instead of being a pussy and running. We fund so many foreigners. Layer on military with trade protection. Indians, Chinese, etc. can eat shit.
39   gabbar   2025 Jan 7, 3:18pm  

You thought H-1B was bad? Turns out ‘OPT’ is what’s REALLY killing American jobs…
https://revolver.news/2025/01/you-thought-h-1b-was-bad-turns-out-opt-is-really-killing-american-jobs/
40   KgK one   2025 Jan 14, 12:27pm  

AI is going to kill jobs for all.

Self driving trucks will make many sikh out of jobs.
IT folks can bitch all they want n blame any race, ai is going to take over many jobs.

When there is need , they will bend all rules to get h1b, due to it recession, now I fully get why we need to give Americans priority over external h1b imports. We don't need to brain drain other countries. Just teach more stem in usa.

For now visit india to enjoy largest spiritual gathering.

https://youtu.be/sZHVAqaYCV4?si=WjYXnMcc3A0AKaxv



Both Steve jobs , Zuckerberg took blessing in india before they succeed. Could be spiritual or could be just coincident.


42   Patrick   2025 Jan 15, 2:53pm  

I actually did LOL.
43   OkDOGEisAmountingToSomething   2025 Jan 15, 3:31pm  

Patrick says

I actually did LOL.


Similar:


44   TechBrosWon   2025 Jan 15, 5:31pm  

KgK one says

AI is going to kill jobs for all.

Self driving trucks will make many sikh out of jobs.
IT folks can bitch all they want n blame any race, ai is going to take over many jobs.

When there is need , they will bend all rules to get h1b, due to it recession, now I fully get why we need to give Americans priority over external h1b imports. We don't need to brain drain other countries. Just teach more stem in usa.

For now visit india to enjoy largest spiritual gathering.

https://youtu.be/sZHVAqaYCV4?si=WjYXnMcc3A0AKaxv



Both Steve jobs , Zuckerberg took blessing in india before they succeed. Could be spiritual or could be just coincident.





Stupid
45   TechBrosWon   2025 Jan 16, 6:54am  

🇮🇳 is a shithole ruined by Hindus!
47   indc   2025 Jan 16, 1:47pm  

And your country is developed my looting all other shades of people.
49   OkDOGEisAmountingToSomething   2025 Jan 16, 4:07pm  

Patrick says


The article goes on about how incredibly low-trust India is as a society.

True? Any people from India want to opine on this?


China is low trust also. Japan the opposite. I think Korea is more like Japan than China.

US was 'high mid trust'. Mostly because we had strong rule of law as well as a common dominant culture. Like the Roman Republic in its first 500 years or so. But that has been going down the tubes. Just like it did for Rome.
50   Patrick   2025 Jan 16, 4:16pm  

I agree. The strengths of the US were a common dominant European culture and a sense of civic pride which made immigrants want to assimilate.

And now we have a culture which has been deliberately fragmented in order to weaken resistance to the whims of the ruling class. But this is also killing the golden goose that made the ruling class rich to begin with.

"An evil man will burn his own nation to the ground to rule over the ashes." – Sun Tzu (maybe)

I'm not sure the process can be reversed, but MAGA is about trying to do exactly that.
51   OkDOGEisAmountingToSomething   2025 Jan 16, 4:28pm  

Patrick says

I'm not sure the process can be reversed, but MAGA is about trying to do exactly that.


Didn't work for the Roman 'middle class' (yeomanry) despite attempts at reform.
52   RWSGFY   2025 Jan 16, 4:39pm  

indc says


And your country is developed my looting all other shades of people.


STOLE ALL TOILETS!!!!!
55   RWSGFY   2025 Jan 17, 4:01pm  

KgK one says

https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/SH.STA.ODFC.ZS/rankings





BRING MOAR H1B FROM THESE SUPERIOR CULTURES TO FIX AMERICA ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!!
57   TechBrosWon   2025 Jan 18, 9:12am  

🇮🇳 Hindus in south are actually doing better.
🐄 belt Hindus are just caste system!
58   rocketjoe79   2025 Jan 18, 12:38pm  

REpro says

DOGEWontAmountToShit says







This electrified train is indeed technologically advanced and eco-friendly.

My boss visited India: Train stations had morgues every three stops to collect the bodies of those that died enroute. Meh, I'll be reincarnated, no big.
59   indc   2025 Jan 18, 6:06pm  

rocketjoe79 says

My boss visited India: Train stations had morgues every three stops to collect the bodies of those that died enroute. Meh, I'll be reincarnated, no big

Really dude, are these 60's where you dont have any internet and anyone can exaggerate their narrative. Train stations with morgues. I would like to know which places he visited?

And I would like to call you dumb on reincarnation. How do you think it works?
60   gabbar   2025 Jan 19, 6:56am  

Current PM of India, Modi is equivalent of Trump and he has been shitting on wokeism for past decade plus. Trump has had investments in India before he got into politics. Gujrati Patels are big supporters of Trump since they are also in hotel/motel business.
61   KgK one   2025 Jan 19, 9:50am  

It's threat of china, which is forcing USA to align with india.
China has beaten usa in many manufacturing fronts. N almost ready with navel power.

People fight over couple of 100k h1b jobs, but check out how many jobs left when manufacturing left usa. Each factory created 5 to 10 k jobs.
Clinton n dems must have made lot shipping those jobs overseas
62   indc   2025 Jan 19, 10:01am  

KgK one says

People fight over couple of 100k h1b jobs, but check out how many jobs left when manufacturing left usa.

The problem is those are low paying jobs, so they are ok with those being shipped out. But brown people are taking high paying jobs. How can a 3rd world shit take high paying jobs. If brown people take low paying jobs then there is no problem.
63   TechBrosWon   2025 Jan 19, 10:33am  

indc says

KgK one says


People fight over couple of 100k h1b jobs, but check out how many jobs left when manufacturing left usa.

The problem is those are low paying jobs, so they are ok with those being shipped out. But brown people are taking high paying jobs. How can a 3rd world shit take high paying jobs. If brown people take low paying jobs then there is no problem.


Moreover Hindus are quite incompetent and destroy anything they get their hand on.

Look How they ransacked 🇮🇳 and have zero pride.
Few herdsman from undeveloped Middle East can defeat billion Hindus.
64   goofus   2025 Jan 19, 10:38am  

KgK one says

It's threat of china, which is forcing USA to align with india.
China has beaten usa in many manufacturing fronts. N almost ready with navel power.

People fight over couple of 100k h1b jobs, but check out how many jobs left when manufacturing left usa. Each factory created 5 to 10 k jobs.
Clinton n dems must have made lot shipping those jobs overseas


It’s possible to oppose both, recognizing the H1B jobs are in the millions, and expanding to low level jobs. The combination of offshoring, outsourcing, and hiring replacement labor (H1B) is lethal to our middle class.
65   TechBrosWon   2025 Jan 19, 10:54am  

goofus says


KgK one says


It's threat of china, which is forcing USA to align with india.
China has beaten usa in many manufacturing fronts. N almost ready with navel power.

People fight over couple of 100k h1b jobs, but check out how many jobs left when manufacturing left usa. Each factory created 5 to 10 k jobs.
Clinton n dems must have made lot shipping those jobs overseas


It’s possible to oppose both, recognizing the H1B jobs are in the millions, and expanding to low level jobs. The combination of offshoring, outsourcing, and hiring replacement labor (H1B) is lethal to our middle class.



Hindus are net negative to fight 🇨🇳.
China at will slaps Hindus in 🇮🇳 and takes their land.
Hindus capability can be seen by just visiting the abysmal 🇮🇳.

Hindus are very poor innovators and even worse at industrialise their ideas.

Hindu IQ of 77 is no match for 110+ for Chinese hans.
66   TechBrosWon   2025 Jan 19, 10:57am  

goofus says

KgK one says


It's threat of china, which is forcing USA to align with india.
China has beaten usa in many manufacturing fronts. N almost ready with navel power.

People fight over couple of 100k h1b jobs, but check out how many jobs left when manufacturing left usa. Each factory created 5 to 10 k jobs.
Clinton n dems must have made lot shipping those jobs overseas


It’s possible to oppose both, recognizing the H1B jobs are in the millions, and expanding to low level jobs. The combination of offshoring, outsourcing, and hiring replacement labor (H1B) is lethal to our middle class.


To beat 🇨🇳 US should deports incompetent Hindus back to 🇮🇳.

Instead import high IQ Europeans, Koreans , Japanese and pro-west Chinese.
Hindu incompetence can be seen by visiting 🇮🇳.
67   Patrick   2025 Jan 19, 10:58am  

There is no winning in disparaging all of India.

To put it differently: what constructive actions do you hope India will take?
68   OkDOGEisAmountingToSomething   2025 Jan 19, 11:02am  

Patrick says

There is no winning in disparaging all of India.


Yes, there is.
70   Patrick   2025 Jan 19, 11:06am  

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

Patrick says


There is no winning in disparaging all of India.


Yes, there is.


How do you think it will help resolve anything?
71   OkDOGEisAmountingToSomething   2025 Jan 19, 12:20pm  

Patrick says


How do you think it will help resolve anything?


WTF?

Resolve what?

Will not disparaging all of India resolve anything? No.

Both are pretty much stupid questions o
if you ask me.

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