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Housing prices will not go down...


               
2025 Jan 2, 7:23pm   22,572 views  617 comments

by anon5525   follow (0)  

... because immigration will not go down. Housing prices are controlled by supply and demand. There is no space in any urban area to build more housing. None. You can't insert land between two streets. The only way to increase supply is to steal people's homes through eminent domain and tear them down to build higher density apartments

So the only way to decrease real prices is to decrease demand, and the only way to do that is to kick out all illegal immigrants and anchor babies. Will Trump do this? Almost certainly not. Even with control over all three branches of the government, the Republicans are not going to get rid of all the illegals who are driving up housing prices and social welfare costs. I wish that I was wrong about this, but I'm not.

The United States population reached 200 million on November 20, 1967. If there was no net migration, then the U.S. population have stabilized to about 220 million. Instead, the population is 335 million. This is why housing is so expensive. This is why rent is so damn high. This is why the younger generations cannot afford to have children. This is why the only way to keep the population from falling is to import massive numbers of unskilled, uneducated, and often criminal immigrants. Both parties are responsible for this: democrats for importing voters and republicans for importing farm laborers. Both parties want cheap labor.

When you import massive numbers of low-iq, low-skill workers, your per capital GDP declines relative to where it would have been otherwise. Yes, technological advancements mask this because technology increases GDP faster than low-skill immigration decreases it, but most of those gains don't get seen by the middle class.

Since both parties, and their corporate overlords, are benefiting from the current system, immigration will continue and housing prices will also continue to rise. I suppose I shouldn't care since I own and have a 2.25% mortgage that is being eaten away by inflation, but anyone young enough that they having bought already is fucked.

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145   WookieMan   2025 Jun 8, 6:42am  

B.A.C.A.H. says

So like Wolf's been warning, it's beginning to happen.

I understand your area might be getting it bad and as you've said you're kind of looking forward to that. The guy that changes his username weekly posted a map in the other recent housing thread that shows the midwest (outside of MN) not losing value. And MN is almost exclusively due to Minneapolis and people leaving the city. Probably still staying in state, but it drags down prices.

My perspective is substantially different than CA, TX or FL. Those are huge markets, but doing well where I'm at and neighboring states. Between IL, WI, MI, OH, IN and IA that's a decent population. Shitty winters and all. It's the reason I despise when people post overall national stats. Even state stats are misleading. Chicago is likely down, but the rest of the region is up.
146   MolotovCocktail   2025 Jun 8, 7:10am  

WookieMan says

60% of the country that doesn't live on the coasts.


Parts of the country that is 'the coasts' according to WookieMan:



147   MolotovCocktail   2025 Jun 8, 7:11am  

WookieMan says

I understand your area might be getting it bad and as you've said you're kind of looking forward to that. The guy that changes his username weekly posted a map in the other recent housing thread that shows the midwest (outside of MN) not losing value. And MN is almost


Once again:

MolotovCocktail says

WookieMan says


60% of the country that doesn't live on the coasts.


Parts of the country that is 'the coasts' according to WookieMan:




148   MolotovCocktail   2025 Jun 8, 7:12am  

WookieMan says


My perspective is substantially different than CA, TX or FL


So fucking what? According to you, Oklahoma is a coastal state:

MolotovCocktail says

WookieMan says


60% of the country that doesn't live on the coasts.


Parts of the country that is 'the coasts' according to WookieMan:




149   B.A.C.A.H.   2025 Jun 8, 8:30am  

WookieMan says

I understand your area might be getting it bad

Ha! It's not getting bad; - it's getting less bad.
150   WookieMan   2025 Jun 8, 12:25pm  

You're talking about Oklahoma or Nebraska? States with no population? IL has the 6th largest population in the country. MI is 10th. OH is 7th. NY is higher along with PA. https://www.britannica.com/topic/largest-U-S-state-by-population

These are states with no population that may have lost 5% and IF you had to sell maybe cost you $10k. Oh the horror. 15 of the states are coastal. They lost more because prices are higher. Most the US population is not losing money on houses. Nevada is Vegas and Reno. Phoenix is land locked and is a bit surprising. Missouri and Arkansas are shit holes. Nashville got overhyped.

There's an easy explanation for every state. People want to move away from liberal shit holes. Not necessarily the state, but the city. Where prices are higher. This isn't complicated. It doesn't mean prices are collapsing by any mean except for where you bough and are butt hurt about it. (Not you BACAH)
151   MolotovCocktail   2025 Jun 8, 12:37pm  

WookieMan says

You're talking about Oklahoma or Nebraska?


No. You were.
153   ForcedTQ   2025 Jul 17, 8:52am  

So what you’re saying is, in the somewhat near future it may be a good time to buy a house….
154   HeadSet   2025 Jul 17, 2:06pm  

ForcedTQ says

So what you’re saying is, in the somewhat near future it may be a good time to buy a house….

Blasphemy!! The time to buy is NOW!
156   RC2006   2025 Jul 27, 6:05pm  

MolotovCocktail says





Maybe they will after some hyperinflation.
160   ForcedTQ   2025 Jul 30, 10:06pm  

It is going to take nothing short of prospective buyers actually saving up large 40-50% down payments to be able to purchase now.
161   MolotovCocktail   2025 Jul 30, 11:43pm  

ForcedTQ says


It is going to take nothing short of prospective buyers actually saving up large 40-50% down payments to be able to purchase now.


Which means prices will have to fall. A LOT.

Which means this thread's author's main premise is bullshit.

Which means...


162   MolotovCocktail   2025 Aug 3, 6:55pm  

MolotovCocktail says

ForcedTQ says



It is going to take nothing short of prospective buyers actually saving up large 40-50% down payments to be able to purchase now.


Which means prices will have to fall. A LOT.

Which means this thread's author's main premise is bullshit.

Which means...






163   MolotovCocktail   2025 Aug 3, 6:57pm  

anon5525 says

. because immigration will not go down


Retardation this ^^^^

Absolute proof:

MolotovCocktail says

Fuck yeah!





So why do we let moronbots post on PatNet?
165   AD   2025 Aug 4, 12:38am  

MolotovCocktail says


anon5525 says


. because immigration will not go down


Retardation this ^^^^

Absolute proof:

MolotovCocktail says


Fuck yeah!





So why do we let moronbots post on PatNet?



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Given most of the undocumented or illegal immigrants likely live in crowded housing conditions and in substandard housing, I'm not sure it would have that much an effect on the housing market.

If anything there may be an improvement in standard of living or quality of life in regards to living arrangements.

A massive layoff occurrence of clerical and white collar professionals would have the greater effect on middle to upper class housing, including average-to-above-average townhomes.
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166   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2025 Aug 4, 1:02am  

^^^^ disagree depending on the actual number of deportation(govt executed or self executed). There’s neighborhoods of Los Angeles that should be crazy thriving and nice but are dominated with illegals. I would not be surprised to see so many leave that the now kids of kids of the original owners are willing to bail for Pennie’s on the dollar. Looks like the state may buy these and renovated them for “supportive” housing purposes. Not sure but certain neighborhoods surrounding downtown Los Angeles should experience massive upheaval in the next few years.

Here’s how bad it is. No one in LA County wants to serve jury duty downtown. But LA HAS to pull from a pool of jurors that live 20-30 miles away, even though those suburbs have their own courthouses. Part of it is number of cases(yet no one but locals get called to Van Nuys, LAX, Compton, Inglewood, or Long Beach courthouses yet all are large and quite busy), but mostly it’s because there are so few citizens living in the neighborhoods surrounding downtown.
167   AD   2025 Aug 4, 1:15am  

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

Not sure but certain neighborhoods surrounding downtown Los Angeles should experience massive upheaval in the next few years.

Here’s how bad it is. No one in LA County wants to serve jury duty downtown. But LA HAS to pull from a pool of jurors that live 20-30 miles away, even though those suburbs have their own courthouses. Part of it is number of cases(yet no one but locals get called to Van Nuys, LAX, Compton, Inglewood, or Long Beach courthouses yet all are large and quite busy), but mostly it’s because there are so few citizens living in the neighborhoods surrounding downtown.


Depends also if they are living in homes that are near the end of their ~70 year old service life, and yes it depends on the owners as it could be young millennial heirs who don't mind selling for $250,000 a crap shack in LA whereas they could have fetched it for $500,000 in early 2022.

I wonder how many Congressional seats in California are attributed to the Census counting illegal or undocumented immigrants.

You at least agree that California is a Democrat shithole state.

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169   MolotovCocktail   2025 Aug 5, 4:40pm  

This thread's post should be reported to @IfindRetards on X
171   MolotovCocktail   2025 Aug 13, 2:37pm  






Hey @anon5525 , how's that 'immigration will save housing' AAA grade bullshit working out now, eh?


172   Glock-n-Load   2025 Aug 13, 4:45pm  

Only a 20% drop is needed? That’s pretty crazy imo. Prices went up to high so fast, I’d think not but, I’m not an expert.
173   MolotovCocktail   2025 Aug 13, 4:57pm  

Glock-n-Load says


Only a 20% drop is needed? That’s pretty crazy imo. Prices went up to high so fast, I’d think not but, I’m not an expert.


Depends on the market. 20% for most of average America. For most of California 40% - 80%. DC area, 60% at least. For Dumfuq, IL...I'll defer to Wookie but I am guessing none at all or just 5% at most.
175   MolotovCocktail   2025 Aug 13, 5:35pm  

anon5525 says

Housing prices are controlled by supply and demand. There is no space in any urban area to build more housing. None. You can't insert land between two streets. The only way to increase supply is to steal people's homes through eminent domain and tear them down to build higher density apartments

So the only way to decrease real prices is to decrease demand, and the only way to do that is to kick out all illegal immigrants and anchor babies. Will Trump do this? Almost certainly not. Even with control over all three branches of the government, the Republicans are not going to get rid of all the illegals who are driving up housing prices and social welfare costs. I wish that I was wrong about this, but I'm not.



176   Glock-n-Load   2025 Aug 13, 6:17pm  

MolotovCocktail says

Glock-n-Load says



Only a 20% drop is needed? That’s pretty crazy imo. Prices went up to high so fast, I’d think not but, I’m not an expert.


Depends on the market. 20% for most of average America. For most of California 40% - 80%. DC area, 60% at least. For Dumfuq, IL...I'll defer to Wookie but I am guessing none at all or just 5% at most.

DC 60%? That is not going to happen. Ever.
177   MolotovCocktail   2025 Aug 13, 6:40pm  

Glock-n-Load says

DC 60%? That is not going to happen. Ever.


And what magic will continue to prop it up? I can think of some.
178   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2025 Aug 13, 7:08pm  

Oh the anon OP certainly does not hold a monopoly on being an unmitigated moron.

Reports today that over 1.6 million illegals voluntarily self deported. Good thing Trump didn’t listen to imbecile Democrats:

https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/democrats/2024/12/mass-deportations-would-deliver-a-catastrophic-blow-to-the-u-s-economy
180   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2025 Aug 13, 7:17pm  

My question: how is it even possible to be so dumb?
181   REpro   2025 Aug 13, 7:49pm  

There will be no disaster in real estate sale.
Prices reduced down for those who can't wait, but not a flush sale.
The reason: foreclosure and short sale on extremely low level.
Sellers sitting well and don't have to sell with deep discount.
Buy now before interest rate be lowered. After that, you may find yourself in lost opportunity.
182   Glock-n-Load   2025 Aug 13, 8:15pm  

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

My question: how is it even possible to be so dumb?

So you’re for or against deportations?
183   Glock-n-Load   2025 Aug 13, 8:16pm  

MolotovCocktail says

Glock-n-Load says


DC 60%? That is not going to happen. Ever.


And what magic will continue to prop it up? I can think of some.

Which means it’s not overvalued. They’re supported by the incomes.
184   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2025 Aug 13, 8:19pm  

Glock-n-Load says

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says


My question: how is it even possible to be so dumb?

So you’re for or against deportations?


???

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