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BACK TO THE END OF THE LINE is the only fair way forward.
DeficitHawk says
3) Legal status people go through a probationary period where they have to stay out of trouble, stay off of the public dole and pay their taxes before gaining permanent resident status.
This creates an incentive for more inflow.
I don't even think we need immigrants. We need two parent families assuming they're not widows(ers). Have children 2-3 at a pop. Raise a family.
The USA will become like a retirement community if we don't bring in immigrants. A few young people tending to a bunch of old codgers and feeding them oatmeal. Industry can't be sustained with demographics like that. We will have 'lost decades' period like Japan.
BACK TO THE END OF THE LINE is the only fair way forward.
Cheaters aren’t supposed to prosper.
And you cant legislate it. You can try pro-natalist policies...
Glock-n-Load says
BACK TO THE END OF THE LINE is the only fair way forward.
A few years back, I had a bum ankle and had to take an airport wheelchair to get to my gate. I mistook the fellow wheeling me around for a Central American or South American Hispanic, and asked what he thought of Trump, who was in his first term at the time. He told me he strongly supported him which I found surprising. He said he was from the Phillipines, and his relatives were waiting over 7 years to get into the US legally, and he hated cheaters who cut the line, so supported Trump.
IF you had a rule that people could immigrate, but must be outside the country to apply, that might make sense to avoid the moral hazard. But then you'd be driving a huge churn of people... the ones already here leaving and new ones coming. And I expect some of them woudl be the same people, leaving and applying to reenter.
Since you Lefties love Silicon Valley and technology progress, then perhaps innovation and productivity gains can be realized to address demographic challenges.
I've mentioned how senior care has been modernized such as in small group homes for aging with internet cameras, etc.
What's the problem with that? People with expiring H1B visas have been doing this for decades: leaving, re-applying, returning.
Exploit the immigration law along with Soros-style immigration judges to achieve an open border for the 3rd world.
I don't even think we need immigrants. We need two parent families assuming they're not widows(ers). Have children 2-3 at a pop. Raise a family. If younger people at least replaced themselves with kids this wouldn't be a problem.
Not just making up for the fact that there are no people working anymore. I went to McDonalds the other day and you dont order at the cash register anymore... you punch everything into a kiosk and then go sit down with your number and wait.
DeficitHawk says
Not just making up for the fact that there are no people working anymore. I went to McDonalds the other day and you dont order at the cash register anymore... you punch everything into a kiosk and then go sit down with your number and wait.
Your missing the point. Kids can't even get jobs in most places. If you're not doing sports at 15-16 you need to be working. Illegals take those jobs. This isn't about 40 year olds pulling down vegetables that are illegal. This is about 40 year olds that are taking jobs from our kids that they could save a bunch of money at a young age. They're gone with illegals. Get them out.
Illegals destroy the drive of younger generation willing to work for less and ship it back home. Go work at home.
Industry can't be sustained with demographics like that. We will have 'lost decades' period like Japan.
DeficitHawk says
Industry can't be sustained with demographics like that. We will have 'lost decades' period like Japan.
I've been to Japan and will take such a homogenous but high-trust society over the horrors that "diversity" has inflicted on the US any day. It's obviously very prosperous and safe even now.
They key is that they care about each other because they are all Japanese. And their industry is clearly still working fine.
The biggest impediment to family formation in the US is the cost of a house, pumped up by the greed of boomers and directly counterproductive policies like the mortgage interest deduction.
Illegals destroy the drive of younger generation willing to work for less and ship it back home. Go work at home.
The biggest impediment to family formation in the US is the cost of a house, pumped up by the greed of boomers and directly counterproductive policies like the mortgage interest deduction.
I've been to Japan and will take such a homogenous but high-trust society over the horrors that "diversity" has inflicted on the US any day. It's obviously very prosperous and safe even now.
I guess everyone has to have their boogeyman to blame.
There are younger people out there that want to work if they have decent parents. Stuff like landscaping. Illegals pack 20 in a house, take those jobs for less than minimum wage. I'm not sure what your reality is.
Your writing leads me to believe you're a professor type. You know what illegals do, make you go to college because there's nothing else for a kid to do. Instead they could be learning some plumbing, electric, etc in high school. Nope, the illegals took those jobs.
No US kid in my neighborhood will take that for manual labor, though some will take it for babysitting and easier work.
But they do not prevent US born people from doing that work, It's just US born people don't choose to do it because there's better options for them.
The "Americans don't want to make $30/hr" is pure propaganda.
Hawk is off on the plumber and electrician thing too.
The "Americans don't want to make $30/hr" is pure propaganda.
It may be regional, Im in San Francisco Bay Area.
It may be regional, Im in San Francisco Bay Area.
Okay, so you're so far out of the mainline US experience,
Any other people here in the San Francisco Bay Area? What do you pay for labor like a landscaping project? IF its less than $30/hr can you tell me where you find the people? Its possible i'm just terrible at negotiating... but that's what I've had to pay to get people for each of the last few projects I've done.
I told her how my mother picked strawberries in the summertime when she was young; later when an older teen she went to Nantucket and was a chambermaid in a hotel there.
Its not like there's a bunch of American kids lining up for this. When I was a kid, I did it for $6/hr and had to ride my bike a few miles to get to the job. But that was, admittedly, a while back.
It may be regional, Im in San Francisco Bay Area. But thats really true here. The plumbers and electricians I use own their own businesses. So I know them, and I am working directly with the owner. They are quite expensive, but they do have overhead. They are not bringing illegal people to work on the job. Lower end contractors probably do it though.
You cant harken back to when your parents were kids and ignore this fundamental fact.
You're from an area where a modest bungalow is over a million bucks.
Oh, I WISH I could get a modest bungalow for a million bucks. A million will just get you a rotted out shitshack in the 'bad' part of town. SFBA is brutal for real estate.
I'm 41. All of my buddies were working at 14-16 years of age. No one does now because the 20 year old illegal that raped kids on the way in took that job for less than a citizen would be paid.
I am pro immigration and I don't blame immigrants for all of our woes. I think we need immigrants to make up for our declining demographics and avoid Japan style empty towns and lost decades with no growth. I don't agree with the narratives that the immigrants are all rapists and terrible people. I think most of them are probably significantly above average in their populations for work ethic and motivation, and that's why they self select to migrate here.
20 years ago I could drive to Yosemite on a whim and be sure I'll get in. Now I need a fucking reservation just to enter. And don't get me started on fucking Half Dome access.
RWSGFY says
20 years ago I could drive to Yosemite on a whim and be sure I'll get in. Now I need a fucking reservation just to enter. And don't get me started on fucking Half Dome access.
Oh man, I went there last year to see the geysers and buffalo. It was packed, no room anywhere, about half the people were Indians too. Not American Indians, Indians from India. It was like being in another country. Thanks India first departments at big tech.
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