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Deportation Thread: You gotta go back


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2025 Jan 23, 12:26pm   17,681 views  765 comments

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528   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2025 May 12, 1:07pm  

Glock-n-Load says


BACK TO THE END OF THE LINE is the only fair way forward.

A few years back, I had a bum ankle and had to take an airport wheelchair to get to my gate. I mistook the fellow wheeling me around for a Central American or South American Hispanic, and asked what he thought of Trump, who was in his first term at the time. He told me he strongly supported him which I found surprising. He said he was from the Phillipines, and his relatives were waiting over 7 years to get into the US legally, and he hated cheaters who cut the line, so supported Trump.
529   AD   2025 May 12, 1:13pm  

Eric Holder says


DeficitHawk says
3) Legal status people go through a probationary period where they have to stay out of trouble, stay off of the public dole and pay their taxes before gaining permanent resident status.

This creates an incentive for more inflow.


That is what the Left like DeficitHawk wants.

Exploit the immigration law along with Soros-style immigration judges to achieve an open border for the 3rd world.

That is why Trump is acting the way he is as far as damage control mode not just dealing with the trade deficit and Birdbrain Biden style spending at USAID, EPA, the ~$180 billion in student loan forgiveness, etc.

No one trusts the Left because of their virus-like bad faith agenda.

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530   DeficitHawk   2025 May 12, 1:19pm  

WookieMan says

I don't even think we need immigrants. We need two parent families assuming they're not widows(ers). Have children 2-3 at a pop. Raise a family.


If we had the demographics and birthrate to sustain our population, and maintain a ratio of working vs retired people, I'd agree we wouldn't need immigration. But we don't. And you cant legislate it. You can try pro-natalist policies... pay people for kids, tax breaks, etc... but i doubt it would have much impact. Every rich, industrialized, urbanized country goes through this demographic shift. The ones that don't take in immigrants will fall behind industrially.

The USA will become like a retirement community if we don't bring in immigrants. A few young people tending to a bunch of old codgers and feeding them oatmeal. Industry can't be sustained with demographics like that. We will have 'lost decades' period like Japan.
531   AD   2025 May 12, 1:22pm  

DeficitHawk says

The USA will become like a retirement community if we don't bring in immigrants. A few young people tending to a bunch of old codgers and feeding them oatmeal. Industry can't be sustained with demographics like that. We will have 'lost decades' period like Japan.


Since you Lefties love Silicon Valley and technology progress, then perhaps innovation and productivity gains can be realized to address demographic challenges.

I've mentioned how senior care has been modernized such as in small group homes for aging with internet cameras, etc.

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532   DeficitHawk   2025 May 12, 1:24pm  

WookieMan says


BACK TO THE END OF THE LINE is the only fair way forward.

Cheaters aren’t supposed to prosper.


I understand this perspective. It would allow the moral hazard of letting people who broke the rule get the benefit. It would be better if we had a legal alternative that they could have used. But we dont, and havent for a long time. Not in the numbers needed to prevent our demographic collapse.

IF you had a rule that people could immigrate, but must be outside the country to apply, that might make sense to avoid the moral hazard. But then you'd be driving a huge churn of people... the ones already here leaving and new ones coming. And I expect some of them woudl be the same people, leaving and applying to reenter.
533   yawaraf   2025 May 12, 1:29pm  

DeficitHawk says

And you cant legislate it. You can try pro-natalist policies...

The first step would be to eliminate no-fault divorce...
534   WookieMan   2025 May 12, 1:29pm  

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

Glock-n-Load says



BACK TO THE END OF THE LINE is the only fair way forward.

A few years back, I had a bum ankle and had to take an airport wheelchair to get to my gate. I mistook the fellow wheeling me around for a Central American or South American Hispanic, and asked what he thought of Trump, who was in his first term at the time. He told me he strongly supported him which I found surprising. He said he was from the Phillipines, and his relatives were waiting over 7 years to get into the US legally, and he hated cheaters who cut the line, so supported Trump.

That's how the left plays it. We hate these people. My guess is most on the left haven't even left the US ever. I love Mexico. All I've ever heard is how dangerous it is. Same with Belize, Costa Rica, Dominican, Jamaica, etc.

Philippine's are actually pretty fun if you cruise and they're on the front end of their contract. Tail end they're a little down. 7 days a week dealing with A LOT OF SHITTY Americans is not easy. I like cruising, I generally hate the other passengers. I find a few bars and hit it off with them. My tips are included but I tip heavy if I get a good vibe. They see me coming 50' away and my drink is ready.

As I said I think a lot on the left don't leave the country because they don't have the money. So they're like just bring them here. One rape later or murder and you're flipped. I'm hoping that's happening now. We'll see.
535   Eric Holder   2025 May 12, 1:29pm  

DeficitHawk says

IF you had a rule that people could immigrate, but must be outside the country to apply, that might make sense to avoid the moral hazard. But then you'd be driving a huge churn of people... the ones already here leaving and new ones coming. And I expect some of them woudl be the same people, leaving and applying to reenter.


What's the problem with that? People with expiring H1B visas have been doing this for decades: leaving, re-applying, returning.
536   DeficitHawk   2025 May 12, 1:32pm  

AD says

Since you Lefties love Silicon Valley and technology progress, then perhaps innovation and productivity gains can be realized to address demographic challenges.

I've mentioned how senior care has been modernized such as in small group homes for aging with internet cameras, etc.

Innovation like Soylent Green?

I do agree innovation can improve productivity. But people want that improved productivity to benefit them by improving their lives. Not just making up for the fact that there are no people working anymore. I went to McDonalds the other day and you dont order at the cash register anymore... you punch everything into a kiosk and then go sit down with your number and wait. It feels like a dystopian future where you only interact with automation and not humans. A demographic collapse will be terrible to live through even if we do continue our progress with innovation.

Oh well. I guess Ill be soylent green by then anyway.
537   DeficitHawk   2025 May 12, 1:34pm  

Eric Holder says


What's the problem with that? People with expiring H1B visas have been doing this for decades: leaving, re-applying, returning.

Oh, its not really a problem. You could do it.

The main problem is if there is no path for people who are already here (either by applying while here, or going abroad and applying) in enough volume that they can really use it, then they wont participate. Then your back to trying to deport 10+ million people who are evading detection.
538   PanicanDemoralizer   2025 May 12, 1:36pm  

AD says

Exploit the immigration law along with Soros-style immigration judges to achieve an open border for the 3rd world.

The same left that is demanding no deportation for illegals, is having a hissy fit today over 59 Afrikaners with a legit reason for refugee status - racial discrimination from government.
539   GNL   2025 May 12, 3:51pm  

WookieMan says

I don't even think we need immigrants. We need two parent families assuming they're not widows(ers). Have children 2-3 at a pop. Raise a family. If younger people at least replaced themselves with kids this wouldn't be a problem.

Boom!!!!
540   WookieMan   2025 May 12, 4:23pm  

DeficitHawk says

Not just making up for the fact that there are no people working anymore. I went to McDonalds the other day and you dont order at the cash register anymore... you punch everything into a kiosk and then go sit down with your number and wait.

Your missing the point. Kids can't even get jobs in most places. If you're not doing sports at 15-16 you need to be working. Illegals take those jobs. This isn't about 40 year olds pulling down vegetables that are illegal. This is about 40 year olds that are taking jobs from our kids that they could save a bunch of money at a young age. They're gone with illegals. Get them out.

Illegals destroy the drive of younger generation willing to work for less and ship it back home. Go work at home.
541   RC2006   2025 May 12, 5:08pm  

WookieMan says


DeficitHawk says


Not just making up for the fact that there are no people working anymore. I went to McDonalds the other day and you dont order at the cash register anymore... you punch everything into a kiosk and then go sit down with your number and wait.

Your missing the point. Kids can't even get jobs in most places. If you're not doing sports at 15-16 you need to be working. Illegals take those jobs. This isn't about 40 year olds pulling down vegetables that are illegal. This is about 40 year olds that are taking jobs from our kids that they could save a bunch of money at a young age. They're gone with illegals. Get them out.

Illegals destroy the drive of younger generation willing to work for less and ship it back home. Go work at home.



Block by block, city by city they take over. They push out all the jobs that teens and retirees use to do and then after they are all that is left they bitch and moan about wages being depressed.
542   Patrick   2025 May 12, 5:37pm  

DeficitHawk says


Industry can't be sustained with demographics like that. We will have 'lost decades' period like Japan.


I've been to Japan and will take such a homogenous but high-trust society over the horrors that "diversity" has inflicted on the US any day. It's obviously very prosperous and safe even now.

They key is that they care about each other because they are all Japanese. And their industry is clearly still working fine.

The biggest impediment to family formation in the US is the cost of a house, pumped up by the greed of boomers and directly counterproductive policies like the mortgage interest deduction.
543   WookieMan   2025 May 12, 6:59pm  

Patrick says

DeficitHawk says



Industry can't be sustained with demographics like that. We will have 'lost decades' period like Japan.


I've been to Japan and will take such a homogenous but high-trust society over the horrors that "diversity" has inflicted on the US any day. It's obviously very prosperous and safe even now.

They key is that they care about each other because they are all Japanese. And their industry is clearly still working fine.

The biggest impediment to family formation in the US is the cost of a house, pumped up by the greed of boomers and directly counterproductive policies like the mortgage interest deduction.

Family formation is the problem with illegals. They block it. If my kid gets a $15-20/hr job at 14, he's going to have a lot of cash by 22. Hooks up with another like minded chick that works and they can buy a house easily. Starter home but condos and and small houses to start are $200k in much of the country.

I agree with the Japanese society. But it's hard for young people to get a job because cash paid illegals are cheaper than American kids. Illegals are not taking $200k/yr jobs. Maybe some that overstayed a visa but that's rare. We have a problem with many 16-20 year olds that can't go to school and pull in $20k. Wife and I were pulling in $60k, rented and then bought a two flat for $325k at 22-23.

There were not remotely as many illegal back then. People always say Obama deported the most, but they were still incoming throughout his terms. You have to reverse the net inflow or it doesn't much matter. 2k entry level jobs getting sucked up is 2k less jobs Americans have. This doesn't effect 40 year old men or women. If you can't get any skills at a young age, even blue collar, you're likely screwed.
544   DeficitHawk   2025 May 12, 7:39pm  

WookieMan says


Illegals destroy the drive of younger generation willing to work for less and ship it back home. Go work at home.

I guess everyone has to have their boogeyman to blame.

I think the younger generations suffer economically for a different reason... Demographics. The boomers are a huge cohort, now drawing on society instead of contributing. Social security and Medicare are BY FAR our largest public expenditures are distributed across a smaller taxpayer base while the largest cohort are moving into retirement. I dont hate boomers, they didnt ASK to be born in a large cohort... but that demographic pressure is very real. The older generations have left a huge debt interest payment behind for the younger generations to deal with, and I do blame them for that.

I've worked elbow to elbow with immigrants in a few different industries over the years. It never made me lose sight of the value of work or be unable to find a job.

Patrick says


The biggest impediment to family formation in the US is the cost of a house, pumped up by the greed of boomers and directly counterproductive policies like the mortgage interest deduction.

This, I agree with.

Patrick says


I've been to Japan and will take such a homogenous but high-trust society over the horrors that "diversity" has inflicted on the US any day. It's obviously very prosperous and safe even now.

Its true that Japanese culture has much more value for adherence to law, crime is very low and there is trust. You can send your kids out on the street and trust they wont get abducted. Its very remarkable and it IS cultural. USA has never had that. Our recorded history is outcasts and immigrants founding colonies, fighting native populations for land/resources, revolution against our prior colonial power, wild west, slavery and civil war, etc. The divisions and distrust in our society runs deep. I dont agree with the narrative that Mexican immigrants arriving in the past 50 years are responsible for this cultural difference. The differences are much more deeply rooted in our societies history and founding.

Id be very interested in a proposal to make America like Japan in this regard. But I dont agree that deporting Mexicans will have that outcome.

As far as the lost decades, Japan did have severe economic challenges for decades. Entire rural regions are abandoned with empty houses as the smaller population has consolidated into the cities to keep the factories running. Lots of towns in rural Japan have only a few retirees and no kids, and schools are shut down. Japan has started to increase immigration to combat this trend.
545   WookieMan   2025 May 13, 2:39am  

DeficitHawk says


I guess everyone has to have their boogeyman to blame.

Not a boogeyman at all. There are younger people out there that want to work if they have decent parents. Stuff like landscaping. Illegals pack 20 in a house, take those jobs for less than minimum wage. I'm not sure what your reality is.

Your writing leads me to believe you're a professor type. You know what illegals do, make you go to college because there's nothing else for a kid to do. Instead they could be learning some plumbing, electric, etc in high school. Nope, the illegals took those jobs.

The business owners need to be held accountable for sure, but illegals bankrupt young people before they even have a chance. That's my point and it's 1,000% valid. What we get in return is a bunch of half assed educated college graduates with shit degrees and $100k of debt. They could have been working and couldn't. It's not that Americans don't want those jobs, it's because someone crossed the Rio and took them. Doesn't pay SS or income taxes. Anyone advocating for this is kind of off their rocker.

Demographics is a bad excuse as well. Family formation is smashed by liberal college professors and massive debt. Boomers didn't graduate college with the inflation adjusted amount of $100k. It was $5k inflation adjusted worst case at the time for someone that is 70 now. You'd get a job, screw and start a family at 22. Immigration is not the answer at all.

The answer is getting 22-30 to start screwing, getting rid of illegals, cut all college funding from the federal government and build solid 3/2 homes in decent but not high end areas. The left is actively trying to destroy this country and illegal immigration is part of that. Get them out even if they're productive. My kids can get work as teens where I live, but most can't because of illegals elsewhere.
546   DeficitHawk   2025 May 13, 7:19am  

WookieMan says


There are younger people out there that want to work if they have decent parents. Stuff like landscaping. Illegals pack 20 in a house, take those jobs for less than minimum wage. I'm not sure what your reality is.

Your writing leads me to believe you're a professor type. You know what illegals do, make you go to college because there's nothing else for a kid to do. Instead they could be learning some plumbing, electric, etc in high school. Nope, the illegals took those jobs.


Illegals do a lot of manual labor I agree. But they do not prevent US born people from doing that work, It's just US born people don't choose to do it because there's better options for them. The going rate for day labor in my area is $30/hr, and many of the people doing that are likely illegal. No US kid in my neighborhood will take that for manual labor, though some will take it for babysitting and easier work. Any US kid who comes and leaves a flyer on my doorstep for $30/hr to mow my lawn will have a job. But none have. Plumbers and Electricians make way more per hour, and are NOT generally illegal immigrants. Not the licensed ones anyway. For remodels on my home, I paid carpenters ~110/hour and that was 10 years ago. Plumbers and electricians want 'per job' quotes not hourly, but it comes out to ~200+/hr. I know they have overhead to run their businesses, but they make good money and are not illegal. AND they are fully in demand, so there is lots of opportunity to get into it.

I am not a professor. I currently work as an engineer in technology fields.
547   PanicanDemoralizer   2025 May 13, 11:14am  

DeficitHawk says


No US kid in my neighborhood will take that for manual labor, though some will take it for babysitting and easier work.

In a snooty neighborhood, maybe. In the country as a whole, no way. That's 3x what McDs pays.

Plumbers and Carpenters can't just become them after HS, they need apprenticeships and/or training.

The reason the trades are so hot is because for 30-40 years, Leftists and Democrats were "College or Bust" and defunded Trade Schools and Careers like crazy. Now that the Boomers are too knee and back injured to enter a crawlspace, there's a shortage.

Hector Rodriguez the Guatemalan Illegal can snake a drain or put up drywall but he's illegal, has no license, not bonded and insurers. No insurer or builder or city will pass or pay for his work without those things. Wrapping frayed higher load 10AWG dryer wire with electric tape is fine in Tegucigulpa but State Farm or Orange County doesn't think so.

The "Americans don't want to make $30/hr" is pure propaganda.
548   WookieMan   2025 May 13, 12:23pm  

DeficitHawk says

But they do not prevent US born people from doing that work, It's just US born people don't choose to do it because there's better options for them.

I'm talking about late teen kids and young adults. No, there's not better options. You live in a strange place. A kid 14-18 is not just going out and being an engineer. They need jobs that teach them hard work and the illegals take them all.

Day labor is not remotely $30/hr in 90% of the country. And illegals charge less for cash. My former boss hired illegals. My buddy hires illegals. His buddies hire illegals. You clearly don't know the system at all. You sound like you're making this into some humanitarian thing. Kids in this country have trouble getting jobs because they're taken by illegals. You're not listening to my points.

I have a 14 year old kid. Illegals are drop outs and can work 7 days a week 365 days. I'm not worried about a 40 year old without a job as they made their own bed with life decisions. The question is how did the 40 year old get there? Not finding a job when young. Illegals did that. Shack up with 20 people on $1,500 rent. You can live on $10 cash per hour if everyone is working.

30% or so of my friends are engineers. Illegals are not engineers. I'm talking about basic jobs for young kids and young men to learn some skill even it's not the plan to do long term. At some point you have to work for someone or start a business. How do you learn anything if 30M illegals took those low pay jobs under the legal minimum wage? We have a young class of people that don't know how to do shit. They're forced to work for less IF they even can.

I'm networked and can get my kids a $40/hr job this summer. Other families aren't that well off. I also don't want to do it for them because that's what they'll expect in the future. Going out and finding a low wage job is not a cake walk. You're dealing with business owners that have high turnover and are ass holes. Illegals will put up with it so they get hired 8 out of 10 times.
549   WookieMan   2025 May 13, 12:33pm  

AmericanKulak says

The "Americans don't want to make $30/hr" is pure propaganda.

Commenting at the same time(ish), I get distracted. But spot on. My kid will work any job. He can only work summer jobs basically and they're all taken and we're not a high illegal area (Chicago is).

Hawk is off on the plumber and electrician thing too. They're not the owner of the company. Most small time plumbers and electricians hire illegals. They just come in and check to make sure it's to code. If it's not they call off the inspection and fix something if they screwed it up.

There are way more illegals taking jobs than he understands. Specifically young men that are getting no skills of any kind and are forced into the college funnel and broke for 15 years and don't have kids. That's illegals. And yes some bad parenting, but illegals just make it harder for young people.
550   GNL   2025 May 13, 3:00pm  

WookieMan says

Hawk is off on the plumber and electrician thing too.

That is an understatement. @DeficitHawk is off on everything. Everything he says is off because he has an agenda.
551   DeficitHawk   2025 May 13, 3:21pm  

AmericanKulak says


The "Americans don't want to make $30/hr" is pure propaganda.

Its not. Go try to hire day labor for some landscaping work. Check the ads and nextdoor posts. Check the flyers left on mailboxes or thrown onto your driveway in a little baggy with rocks. Go to a home depot parking lot. In my area is at least $30/hr, and you'll find mostly immigrants offering to do it. You dont find kids offering. I have never once had a neighborhood kid offer to mow my lawn. There are not too many kids in my neighborhood though, so thats true too.

Its not like there's a bunch of American kids lining up for this. When I was a kid, I did it for $6/hr and had to ride my bike a few miles to get to the job. But that was, admittedly, a while back.

It may be regional, Im in San Francisco Bay Area. But thats really true here. The plumbers and electricians I use own their own businesses. So I know them, and I am working directly with the owner. They are quite expensive, but they do have overhead. They are not bringing illegal people to work on the job. Lower end contractors probably do it though.
552   PanicanDemoralizer   2025 May 13, 3:26pm  

DeficitHawk says


It may be regional, Im in San Francisco Bay Area.

Okay, so you're so far out of the mainline US experience, in a very unique and unrepresentative and unbelievably high-cost area where people poop on the street and homeless people shoot up in broad daylight. Where McD's workers start in the high teens/hour.

Even so I have my doubts...
554   DeficitHawk   2025 May 13, 6:16pm  

AmericanKulak says


It may be regional, Im in San Francisco Bay Area.

Okay, so you're so far out of the mainline US experience,


Any other people here in the San Francisco Bay Area? What do you pay for labor like a landscaping project? IF its less than $30/hr can you tell me where you find the people? Its possible i'm just terrible at negotiating... but that's what I've had to pay to get people for each of the last few projects I've done.
555   clambo   2025 May 13, 6:27pm  

Re: "Americans won't do those jobs." They would if 1. they needed the money 2. it paid well enough

I had an argument with some female in a gym in Juno Beach one afternoon; she obviously has some sucker husband who toils away during the day and her job is to maintain her figure so she's worth keeping around.

I told her how my mother picked strawberries in the summertime when she was young; later when an older teen she went to Nantucket and was a chambermaid in a hotel there.

Americans did everything when I was growing up. All the kids I knew did odd jobs to make some dough since we weren't getting big allowances.

Fuck the illegals, and fuck the asshole slave masters who hire them. Also, fuck those idiots who feel "sorry" for them.
556   PanicanDemoralizer   2025 May 13, 6:39pm  

DeficitHawk says


Any other people here in the San Francisco Bay Area? What do you pay for labor like a landscaping project? IF its less than $30/hr can you tell me where you find the people? Its possible i'm just terrible at negotiating... but that's what I've had to pay to get people for each of the last few projects I've done.

Have you seen the mass exodus from California? Who lives in SFBA? Hint: Check out the home prices relative to the other 95% of the country. Kids with a Corporate Lawyer Mother and a IT Exec Father don't need to work at McDs and in fact their parents (esp. Asian Tiger Moms) don't want them working when they should be SATmaxxing.

When most people from SFBA tell me about "Life here in the USA" I put it in the same box as people telling me that from Midtown Manhattan.

You're from an area where a modest ranch is over a million bucks.
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/40814-Calido-Pl-Fremont-CA-94539/25032279_zpid/
557   DeficitHawk   2025 May 13, 6:55pm  

clambo says

I told her how my mother picked strawberries in the summertime when she was young; later when an older teen she went to Nantucket and was a chambermaid in a hotel there.


It used to be true. But you cant ignore the population demographics when you make that statement. There used to be lots of younger people to do those jobs. Now there's lots of old retired people and few young people. You cant harken back to when your parents were kids and ignore this fundamental fact.

Our demographics are fundamentally different than they used to be, and that has to change the labor market.
558   WookieMan   2025 May 13, 7:07pm  

DeficitHawk says

Its not like there's a bunch of American kids lining up for this. When I was a kid, I did it for $6/hr and had to ride my bike a few miles to get to the job. But that was, admittedly, a while back.

It may be regional, Im in San Francisco Bay Area. But thats really true here. The plumbers and electricians I use own their own businesses. So I know them, and I am working directly with the owner. They are quite expensive, but they do have overhead. They are not bringing illegal people to work on the job. Lower end contractors probably do it though.

Unequivocally false about American kids. Sure there are some do nothing loser kids. That's a parenting problem. The good parents promote their kids to work. My kid would shit his pants for $30/hr. This is why I give others here shit. SFBA is a different planet. My kids do have to fight against low wage illegals even here in IL. Wasn't the case 25 years ago when I was younger.

Also $6/hr is fine in todays time for a young kid as well. Today it's closer to $10-15, but that's what illegals work for and my kids can't get that even though they want to work. Don't care to know if you have kids or not. I share too much here. But having 3 of them, times have changed. Young boys and men cannot get work. Everyone has to give up when illegals take all the jobs.

SFBA you got homeless and probably not a ton of illegals. They're all down in LA. Chicagoland has one of the largest illegal populations. And they don't just stay in the city. They start moving out to the suburbs. I don't cite sources, but I'll report what I physically see and know. Illegals are a massive problem here. And day labor is not $30/hr here. $15-20/hr is the basic wage.

Also if a plumber charged you $200/hr you got ripped off. Or copper was super high, which could happen. I doubt it though. Margins are tight, but $200/hr on an 8hr day is $1,600 a day. $8k/wk for 5 days. Plumbers charge the parts separately on their bills, not the labor.

Either way you see a brown person on a project they're 90% illegal. That takes away one kid/citizen that could have had a mentor and at least learned to be handy or make a career out of it. That's how it was even 20-30 years ago. Not now.
559   WookieMan   2025 May 13, 7:18pm  

DeficitHawk says

You cant harken back to when your parents were kids and ignore this fundamental fact.

I'm 41. All of my buddies were working at 14-16 years of age. No one does now because the 20 year old illegal that raped kids on the way in took that job for less than a citizen would be paid.

Also we didn't have an official 2020 census either. I sure as hell received nothing. No one knocked on my door. Am I even counted? Covid. Dems had a 10 year window to let in as many illegals as possible because Trump won in 2016. That was their solution in 2020. Covid happened and people freaked out and didn't pay attention to immigration, all the while there's a river of illegals pouring through the border. Not refugees either.

They need to go. This fake due process claim they can work it out in court from their home country. It's 2025 not 1825. Tech and the internet are usable things in this process.
560   DeficitHawk   2025 May 13, 7:20pm  

AmericanKulak says

You're from an area where a modest bungalow is over a million bucks.

Oh, I WISH I could get a modest bungalow for a million bucks. A million will just get you a rotted out shitshack in the 'bad' part of town. SFBA is brutal for real estate.
561   Misc   2025 May 13, 7:30pm  

DeficitHawk says


Oh, I WISH I could get a modest bungalow for a million bucks. A million will just get you a rotted out shitshack in the 'bad' part of town. SFBA is brutal for real estate.


You're just used to American standards. Illegals will cram 3-4 people in per room. Enough people crammed in can pay the rent. This just pushes rent prices higher and higher. SF has one of the lowest home ownership rates in the country at 35%. The less illegals the lower house prices.
562   PanicanDemoralizer   2025 May 13, 7:36pm  

WookieMan says


I'm 41. All of my buddies were working at 14-16 years of age. No one does now because the 20 year old illegal that raped kids on the way in took that job for less than a citizen would be paid.

I'm almost a decade older and if you didn't have a P/T job in HS, you were kind of weird and spoiled. If you didn't have a job after 18, you were a looooser. Even college kids had at least P/T jobs.
563   DeficitHawk   2025 May 13, 7:39pm  

Anyway, this thread is sort of wandering at this point.

I know you don't agree with me. I know I don't agree with you. I know no one will change their minds.

I am pro immigration and I don't blame immigrants for all of our woes. I think we need immigrants to make up for our declining demographics and avoid Japan style empty towns and lost decades with no growth. I don't agree with the narratives that the immigrants are all rapists and terrible people. I think most of them are probably significantly above average in their populations for work ethic and motivation, and that's why they self select to migrate here.

I do want legal immigration as opposed to Illegal immigration but I think we should keep immigration. As for the illegal immigrants who are already here, I don't see how to practically remove them without sacrificing our liberties (war time powers in peace time, and depriving people of due process) which I dont support. Id much rather see a robust legal pathway for new immigrants, and let people who are here illegally be eligible to apply for it if they meet the requirements we set. Then our illegal population would eventually convert to a legal population, bad actors would get screened out, and a 10M person enforcement problem becomes much more manageable. It also ends the immoral 'pseudo-slavery' status quo of illegals that has persisted for many years.

That's my opinion on it. I know you don't agree.
564   Fortwaye   2025 May 13, 8:01pm  

DeficitHawk says


I am pro immigration and I don't blame immigrants for all of our woes. I think we need immigrants to make up for our declining demographics and avoid Japan style empty towns and lost decades with no growth. I don't agree with the narratives that the immigrants are all rapists and terrible people. I think most of them are probably significantly above average in their populations for work ethic and motivation, and that's why they self select to migrate here.


I don't think we need to grow population into infinity. At some point it's detrimental to society and planet, our system if it relies on infinite expansion is greed and it's sin. Look at India, they have well over a billion, their citizens are treated like complete shit because value of each citizen is none. They got their cast system too, to keep poor from ever moving up. Somehow our shitty corporations love them and their culture. We had plenty of people 50 years ago, it's way too crowded today with all the illegals everywhere. I would prefer we closed borders and had population stabilize down to normal.

If you feel lonely, you can always go live in Los Angeles or San Francisco, New York, really any big city. It's definitely cozy.

Slums America will become with bigger population and more diversity:

565   RWSGFY   2025 May 13, 8:28pm  

20 years ago I could roll into my favorite campground any day of the summer and get a site guaran-fucking-teed. Now I need to wake up at 6 am in December to try and secure a reservation for June. And if I blink - it's gone.

20 years ago I could drive to Yosemite on a whim and be sure I'll get in. Now I need a fucking reservation just to enter. And don't get me started on fucking Half Dome access.

If growing population is so grand, how come it doesn't feel all that great? What did I get in exchange to losing things mentioned above?
566   Fortwaye   2025 May 13, 9:00pm  

RWSGFY says


20 years ago I could drive to Yosemite on a whim and be sure I'll get in. Now I need a fucking reservation just to enter. And don't get me started on fucking Half Dome access.


Oh man, I went there last year to see the geysers and buffalo. It was packed, no room anywhere, about half the people were Indians too. Not American Indians, Indians from India. It was like being in another country. Thanks India first departments at big tech.
567   RWSGFY   2025 May 13, 9:10pm  

Fortwaye says


RWSGFY says


20 years ago I could drive to Yosemite on a whim and be sure I'll get in. Now I need a fucking reservation just to enter. And don't get me started on fucking Half Dome access.


Oh man, I went there last year to see the geysers and buffalo. It was packed, no room anywhere, about half the people were Indians too. Not American Indians, Indians from India. It was like being in another country. Thanks India first departments at big tech.



You mean Yellowstone. Not sure if they have reservations now, but it was great during covid, no Chinese tour buses being the main benefit. No long wait to enter by car either. Don't remember seeing many dot Indians.

We were even able to score a camp site inside the park but had to change it to one outside because the lenghts of truck+trailer was 2 ft too long. :(

Covid was definitely the time to visit the most popular parks. Felt almost like 20 years ago.

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