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DeficitHawk says

I really believe there is a demographic shortage of people that makes it hard to fill all of the jobs we want filled without immigrants

Workforce participation numbers suggest that there is no shortage of potential workers.

WookieMan says

Stop listening to Peter Ziehan. He's been massively wrong on many topics.

I have seen his podcasts. I agree he is a bit of a drama queen and always takes the most sensationalist extrapolation, which wont actually happen.

BUT, the fact that demographics really does affect the economic pressures of a country is really true. A country with a pyramid shaped demographics will have fundamentally different prospects and challenges than a country with an inverted pyramid.

My views on immigration are mostly informed by my work alongside many immigrants, and travels to other countries. Look at South Korea, which is a country who's population is declining and does not have a big immigration component. The young people I work with there are total workaholics with a stressful and unenjoyable quality of life. Those guys carry a heavy burden, they have to do all the work of a population that has fewer workers. You would think they have cheap houses because population is declining... but most of them move to urban centers which are still growing in density to find jobs. Its the rural areas that are getting depopulated. So even though their country's population is declining, they still have to contend with expensive housing, traffic, and all of the challenges of population density, along with extreme working hours, and their quality of life is not great.

I sometimes think the Silicon Valley work-life balance is unpleasant, and even inhuman... But its nothing to complain about compared to the South Koreans.

Similar thing has been happening in Japan for a long time. While population is declining, the urban areas themselves are growing and the rural areas are depopulating rapidly. There ARE cheap houses available in Japan... but they are in depopulated rural areas where only a few retired people live anymore, and the schools have closed down and there are no jobs. In fact, Japan has started to allow more immigration to get foreigners to occupy the abandoned rural houses.

Imagine if we snap our fingers and suddenly all the immigrants are gone from the USA. Wont we look forward to a future like Japan and South Korea? Workers have to work harder to support the retirees, urban centers continue to grow and densify while rural areas deplete, and people dont get the good quality of life they are being promised.

You guys all seem to think that if we stop immigration, and deport all the immigrants who are here... that somehow we will create a utopia where workers will get a greater share of the 'good life'... Good wages, cheap housing, no traffic, everything you can want.... but I think its a false promise and wont happen. We'll have labor shortage, yes high wages, but even higher costs. Fewer workers have to support more retirees either directly or through taxes and it will drain on their income. Urbanites will still suffer with expensive housing and traffic, and rural people will watch their towns decay to just a few grandmas and a bunch of empty rotting houses. Thats what happened in two countries I visit frequently who do NOT have much immigration.

I agree, our quality of life is suffering. We work harder and seem to get less of a share. Housing is super expensive, traffic sucks, and we have to work long hours to get by. I don't know the solution. I think blaming the immigrants is not the right answer, and removing them wont fix the problem.

zzyzzx says

Workforce participation numbers suggest that there is no shortage of potential workers.

Yes but those potential workers are 75 years old and retired. Workforce participation shows retirees are not working, which is normal and expected. The fraction of retirees is growing. The fastest growing segment of the population is >75 years old. That's what I've been trying to say over and over. That's our core demographic challenge.

'Prime Age Workforce Participation' is near all time highs ~83% today vs ~70% in the 1960's. Unemployment is low.

It is also true that school aged kids have a little bit lower participation rates than in the 90's because they spend more time on education, but participation of those kids is still up compared to the 1960s. Its also true that women are a higher fraction of the total today than they were in the 60s.

Everyone is trying to spin a narrative that there are heaps of working age people who would work if the damn immigrants hadn't suppressed their wages, and are now not even trying to work. That's not what I am seeing in this data, and not in the people I know. I literally know 0 people who meet that description. I am seeing people working many hours at one or multiple jobs, and feeling stressed out... and still having trouble affording mortgages, and I see that EVERYWHERE in many of my friends and family.

I agree there IS a problem. We are working hard but not getting the good life. I just don't agree with the 'Its the immigrants' narrative for why. I think the low labor participation rate IS a big factor, but I think the non-participants are the retirees, and they are also responsible for occupying an increasing share of the housing stock. That's why everyone has to work harder and gets less.

The slave masters want foreign workers; it's not always a question of price either.
My Jewish, rich, female friend in a small rich town in Connecticut which is a train commute to Manhattan hired an illegal alien nanny for her children.
Why? Because it's likely she needed to feel superior, feel like she's "helping someone", she also needed to pay someone less than the white WASP towns people where she lived, and of course, as a Jew, she deep down hates white American WASPs.
She wanted someone who would be slightly submissive to her, as latina servants generally are.

clambo says

My Jewish, rich, female friend in a small rich town in Connecticut which is a train commute to Manhattan hired an illegal alien nanny for her children.
Why? Because it's likely she needed to feel superior, feel like she's "helping someone", she also needed to pay someone less than the white WASP

And taxes.

Illegals are immune to prosecution for crimes that would put a citizen in jail:

Blue state prosecutor gives unlicensed illegal immigrant probation for causing deadly car wreck

https://thedailybs.com/2025/05/14/blue-state-prosecutor-gives-unlicensed-illegal-immigrant-probation-for-causing-deadly-car-wreck/

I'm now pretty sure DeficitHawk is actually Iwog.

Patrick says

I'm now pretty sure DeficitHawk is actually Iwog.

Did he escape and survive from being tied to a masthead naked by immense hirsute lesbians after his last 'undercover' operation as Berkeley street investigator at one of their insane, violent protests? I thought they were to sail him out past the Golden Gate and sacrifice him to the Goddess of Bush.

They musta diddled with his brain and turned him into a propaganda dafter.

Patrick says

I'm now pretty sure DeficitHawk is actually Iwog.

Maybe I am actually ApocalypseFuck.

Is Iwog banned now? (He was the goose, right?)

Patrick says

I'm now pretty sure DeficitHawk is actually Iwog.

Nooo! Really?

The Pedo of PatNet is back!

MolotovCocktail says

Patrick says

I'm now pretty sure DeficitHawk is actually Iwog.

Nooo! Really?

The Pedo of PatNet is back!

OK Im taking this for my avatar. Kinda blurry. Any other insult images that I find funny, I will also take as my avatar. Have at it.

DeficitHawk says

Patrick says

I'm now pretty sure DeficitHawk is actually Iwog.

Maybe I am actually ApocalypseFuck.

Maybe you’re just “A”pocalypse”Fuck”?

Glock-n-Load says

DeficitHawk says

Patrick says

I'm now pretty sure DeficitHawk is actually Iwog.

Maybe I am actually ApocalypseFuck.

Maybe you’re just “A”pocalypse”Fuck”?

only way to find out is to ask him how he feels about realtors.

Fortwaye says

only way to find out is to ask him how he feels about realtors.

RIP THEIR HEADS OFF AND SHIT DOWN THEIR THROATS!!! BELT FED AMMO AND YAMS!!!

Fortwaye says

Maybe you’re just “A”pocalypse”Fuck”?

only way to find out is to ask him how he feels about realtors.

You can summon ApocalypseFuck by repeating three times in front of a mirror: "Trump and the Deutsche Bank Russian Debentures".

DeficitHawk says

Fortwaye says

only way to find out is to ask him how he feels about realtors.

RIP THEIR HEADS OFF AND SHIT DOWN THEIR THROATS!!! BELT FED AMMO AND YAMS!!!

we are in agreement

https://babylonbee.com/news/home-depot-adds-self-deportation-kiosks

https://slaynews.com/news/leftist-prosecutor-gives-illegal-alien-teen-slap-wrist-killing-young-american-woman/

A far-left Democrat prosecutor has offered an illegal alien teenager a cushy plea deal for killing an innocent 24-year-old American woman.

The Colombian teen will not serve any jail time after receiving a slap on the wrist for killing Kaitlyn Weaver from Colorado.

The 15-year-old killer has not been publicly named because of state laws that shield the identity of underage criminal suspects.

The teen killed Weaver during a shocking high-speed car crash.

John Weaver, the victim’s father, revealed that his daughter’s killer was sentenced to two years’ probation and 100 hours of community service.

The office of Arapahoe County District Attorney Amy Padden offered the teen a plea deal if he admitted his guilt in the deadly July 2024 crash.

Padden is a self-described “progressive” Democrat.

She received endorsements from prominent leftists, including Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) and Colorado’s Democrat Gov. Jared Polis.

The teen was racing his Jeep with other kids at speeds of 90 mph in a residential neighborhood in the Denver suburb of Aurora.

He then T-boned Weaver’s vehicle at an intersection, her father said.

“It was an instantaneous death,” John Weaver revealed.

Kaitlyn Weaver was waiting at a stop sign and speaking to her boyfriend on speakerphone at the time she was struck, he said.

She was kept on life support for two days before she was taken off, and her organs were donated.

Liberal bitches don't care about anyone else's children except their own, whom they promptly brainwash to become trannies and lop off their dicks or tits.

https://www.amren.com/news/2025/05/claudia-sheinbaum-denounces-proposed-us-remittance-tax-as-unacceptable/

Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum has denounced a provision in a tax bill being considered in the United States Congress that would impose duties on remittances — a term used to describe the money people send abroad for non-commercial reasons, often as gifts to family and loved ones.

On Thursday, during her morning news conference, Sheinbaum addressed the tax bill directly, calling the remittances proposal “a measure that is unacceptable”.

Sounds like a good idea to me. Cutting into the money they can send back to Mexico discourages them from coming here and driving down wages for US citizens.

Patrick says

Sounds like a good idea to me. Cutting into the money they can send back to Mexico discourages them from coming here and driving down wages for US citizens.

It's alway been a good idea. Corporations will still do it for trade and I'd say it'd be okay if you have a college aged adult going to school in a foreign country. Keep the money here and it will get spent. Send it to Mexico or wherever and it gets spent there.

No American citizen really needs to send PERSONAL money outside of America. Mexico is the biggie though. I'd bet 20-30% of that money sent back by illegals is just taken by the cartels. Buy a new house down there and someone is knocking on your door in a week, "where's my cut?"

Point is it's a double whammy if we keep the money here. Gets spent here, and it's another layer in putting the cartel and drug smuggling down. Work around though is just sending and mailing preloaded cards. Could tax wire transfers, but people will just do what I mentioned. Other way is a credit card with no international fees and pay it up here. Illegal gets the bill but everything is bought in the other county.

It's a complicated topic with work arounds.

Patrick says

Sounds like a good idea to me. Cutting into the money they can send back to Mexico discourages them from coming here and driving down wages for US citizens.

External revenue service! It will also give us a great idea of how many illegals are in the country by comparing it to the estimates of legal immigrants. I have a feeling a 10% remittance tax would be astounding.

I think Remittances are a top 3 source of income of Mexico, on the same level as oil and resources. Ironic that Mexico taxes remittances TO Mexico but gets mad if we tax money leaving OUR soil.

It's wild we have 25% of the world's consumer base but our tax system is based around taxing American productivity.

MolotovCocktail says

https://counter-currents.com/2025/05/immigration-and-economics-truth-misconceptions-and-lies/

The Culture Transplant: How Migrants Make the Economies They Move to a Lot Like the Ones They Left
Stanford University Press, 2022

Even from a purely economic perspective, there is good reason to be much more discriminating in choosing what type of people make up our country.

Mr. Jones, an associate professor of economics at George Mason University, begins by rejecting the idea that immigrants simply assimilate to their host country. He does this in a race-neutral manner, setting the tone for the rest of the book. It is obvious he would rather not think in racial terms and is embarrassed by the failures of diversity. However, the implications remain clear enough.

https://www.news-journal.com/ice-sanciona-con-1-8-millones-de-d-lares-a-inmigrante-hondure-a-por-ignorar/article_04d9c639-a802-51f6-87d9-7fd892aeacf2.html

Florida – Una mujer hondureña de 41 años, que ha vivido indocumentada en Estados Unidos durante más de tres décadas, enfrenta una multa civil de 1.821.350 dólares por no cumplir una orden de deportación emitida hace casi 20 años, según informó CBS News.

A 41 year old Honduran woman, who lived illegally in the US for more than three decades, is facing a civil fine of $1,821,350 for not complying with a deportation order issued nearly 20 years ago, according to CBS News.

Translated that myself, correcting the deliberately misleading term "undocumented" to the correct term "illegally". Been studying Spanish lately.

No country would do this to themselves. America is occupied and being taken over.

Patrick says

Truth be told, I have noticed this. The 'illegal hostel' across the street in Santa Cruz appears to have no 'guests' for over a month. They keep a couple of work trucks to rent out the illegals who stay there.

Still a lot hanging out at Home Depot. I guess they will still try their luck, but the trabajaderos really aren't the major targets currently.

Patrick says

I also want to see lighter traffic and lower rent due to deportations, but seriously that's going to take some time.

Car dealers who sell cheaper cars (like Brandon from Car Questions Answered or whatever he calls himself now) has noticed a softening of the market for $5000 and under vehicles. And in the comments people are stating that without a flood of illegal aliens, the market for that type vehicles has dropped off quite a bit.

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114581983503269092



Lol, Hispanics seem to approve of Trump's deportations more than anyone else.

Patrick says

Hispanics seem to approve of Trump's deportations more than anyone else.

Legal immigrants, who are often Hispanic, really hate illegals.

Booger says

Patrick says

Hispanics seem to approve of Trump's deportations more than anyone else.

Legal immigrants, who are often Hispanic, really hate illegals.

What illegals have done to old Hispanic areas has been catastrophic.

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114587834569910458

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