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AmericanKulak says

RWSGFY says

AmericanKulak says

EOs have 30-day delays on orders like this. February 20th is the earliest date.

Came and gone. Anything juicy? Nothing in the press, so I guess nothing.

"earliest date"

Convenient.

https://timothywiney.substack.com/p/israel-and-the-bomb

Question: Is it fair to say JFK strongly opposed this program?

ChatGPT said:

Yes, it is fair to say that President John F. Kennedy strongly opposed Israel's nuclear weapons program, especially during the early 1960s. His administration sought to prevent the proliferation of nuclear weapons and was concerned about the potential for regional instability in the Middle East, particularly with Israel’s nuclear ambitions.

Here are a few key points about JFK’s opposition:

Pressure on Israel: Kennedy made efforts to convince Israel to abandon its nuclear weapons ambitions or at least open its nuclear facilities to international inspection. In 1963, the U.S. provided Israel with substantial aid, but Kennedy also pushed for transparency in the Dimona reactor's operations. There are reports that Kennedy was frustrated with Israel's secrecy and its refusal to allow international oversight of its nuclear program.

Diplomatic Moves: Kennedy's administration pressured Israel diplomatically by leveraging American aid and alliances. The U.S. sought assurances that Israel’s nuclear program would not proceed unchecked. The U.S. government, under Kennedy, was also working on broader non-proliferation efforts, including the establishment of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), which aimed to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons.

Kennedy’s Concerns: Kennedy’s opposition was motivated by both moral concerns about nuclear proliferation and strategic concerns about the Middle East. He feared that an Israeli nuclear weapons capability would lead to an arms race in the region, particularly among neighboring Arab states, and further destabilize an already volatile geopolitical landscape.

Israel’s Secrecy and Response: Despite Kennedy's efforts, Israel continued to develop its nuclear program in secret. The Israeli government, led by Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion at the time, was determined to acquire nuclear weapons as a deterrent, citing existential threats posed by its Arab neighbors. Israel did not openly acknowledge its nuclear weapons capability and maintained a policy of ambiguity, which ultimately defied Kennedy’s pressures. ...

Question: What would be the 'fallout' (pun intended) if it were proven Israel was behind Kennedy's Cranial aeration?

ChatGPT said:

If it were proven that Israel was behind JFK’s assassination, specifically his cranial aeration (a term you've used to refer to the fatal headshot), the fallout would be enormous and multifaceted. The repercussions would not only reshape the historical narrative of the assassination but would also have far-reaching political, diplomatic, and legal consequences for Israel, the United States, and global politics. Here’s a look at the potential fallout:

1. Global Diplomatic Crisis:

U.S.-Israel Relations: The relationship between the United States and Israel, which has been one of the closest alliances in the modern geopolitical landscape, would likely be severely strained. A revelation of Israel’s involvement in such a major assassination would trigger an immense backlash in the U.S., potentially leading to the suspension of aid, sanctions, or a reevaluation of the longstanding alliance.

Middle Eastern Politics: Israel’s role in the Middle East would be further complicated. If Israel had orchestrated JFK’s assassination, it could provoke animosity not only from its traditional adversaries but also from regional powers that have a history of supporting Palestinian and Arab nationalist causes. It could even provoke destabilizing effects across the entire region, possibly leading to increased anti-Israel sentiment and actions from both governments and populations.

2. Domestic U.S. Reactions:

Public Trust and National Trauma: The American public’s trust in its government could be severely shaken. For decades, various conspiracy theories about JFK's assassination have thrived, but if Israel’s involvement were confirmed, the realization that an ally had engaged in such a dramatic act would lead to widespread outrage, particularly among those who had believed in the official narratives.

Political Fallout: Such a revelation could open the door for massive political upheaval in the U.S. Depending on the timing and the circumstances of the disclosure, it could lead to calls for accountability at the highest levels of government. It could also damage the political reputations of individuals who were involved in suppressing or manipulating the investigation into the assassination.

3. Legal and Accountability Issues:

International Legal Action: Israel would likely face severe international legal repercussions, with calls for accountability from the global community. This could include charges of assassination, covert operations against a foreign leader, or violations of international law. Legal experts would debate whether the actions taken could be classified as state-sponsored terrorism or assassination, both of which could result in severe international sanctions or actions taken by the United Nations.

Reopened Investigation: If proof were discovered, it would likely lead to a reopened investigation into the assassination, which could change the historical understanding of what happened that fateful day in Dallas. The new evidence would probably bring about renewed public interest in the case and increase pressure on the U.S. government to act.

4. Impact on the Israeli Government:

Political Isolation: Israel could face political isolation if such a truth were made public. It could alter how other nations interact with Israel, leading to embargoes or restrictions on trade, particularly in sensitive sectors like defense and technology. Some countries might take steps to distance themselves from Israel, while others might adopt a more cautious approach to dealing with the nation.

Loss of Moral Authority: Israel’s position as a key ally of the U.S. and a symbol of democracy and sovereignty in the Middle East could suffer significantly. Israel's moral authority would be severely undermined, especially among international human rights groups and advocates for peaceful conflict resolution in the region.

5. Potential for Domestic and International Protests:

Protests and Civil Unrest: If the truth were revealed, protests in both Israel and the U.S. could become widespread. Many Americans might feel betrayed by an ally they have supported for decades, leading to large-scale civil unrest. Similarly, Israel could see a rise in domestic opposition, as political movements within the country could seek to distance themselves from such actions.

Rise in Conspiracy Theories: Conspiracy theories about JFK's assassination have flourished for decades. While the proof would likely quell some, new, even more intricate theories could emerge, potentially clouding the issue further.

6. Rewriting History:

Historiography of the 1960s: Such a revelation would force historians to reconsider the entire framework of the Cold War and U.S.-Israel relations in the 1960s. It would shift how Kennedy’s policies, especially in the Middle East, are interpreted. The assassination would be viewed as a pivotal moment that radically altered the trajectory of U.S. foreign policy and could potentially influence historical debates about Israel’s nuclear program and its role in the region.

Loss of Faith in Official Accounts: It would cast serious doubt on the official story of many major events from that era, from Kennedy’s presidency to subsequent U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East and the U.S.-Israel relationship. Future generations would grow up with a radically different view of the 1960s and the international dynamics that shaped that period.

7. The Geopolitical Domino Effect:

Regional Tensions: If Israel’s involvement in JFK’s assassination were confirmed, it might embolden or enrage other powers in the Middle East, including Iran, Syria, and Lebanon, potentially resulting in increased proxy conflicts or more direct confrontations. The Arab world’s view of the U.S. and Israel would likely harden, while nations such as Iran could take advantage of the shift in alliances to solidify their position as a regional power.

Impact on U.S. Strategy: The U.S. would likely reconsider its support for Israel in future international conflicts, such as the Israeli-Palestinian conflict or the broader Arab-Israeli conflict. It could impact U.S. foreign policy priorities in the Middle East, potentially leading to a recalibration of alliances, particularly with Arab nations or other powers that had historically opposed Israel.

In conclusion, if Israel’s involvement in JFK's assassination were proven, it would trigger a political earthquake with global repercussions, altering both the course of history and the fabric of international relations. The situation would be volatile, with a mix of legal, diplomatic, and public relations fallout that would reverberate across the world for decades to come.

Bring it on. The USA has suffered under Zionist persecution for over 50 years. Let's get the monkey off our backs.

My prediction is that it's going more evidence as to what all the Researchers from Mark Lane to Jim Garrison to Mars to Roger Stone have postulated for GENERATIONS: LBJ, the Mob, and members of the Deep / National Security State working together.

If there is a rationale for a cover-up, it's going to be because of not derailing the Cold War / Vietnam build up with a National Crisis.

Whatever happens, even if there's a sealed letter from LBJ and Trafficante/Marcello and Hoover admitting guilt, some will maintain their bullshit theories no matter what. In fact, if their treasured theory isn't front and center, they'll call any new evidence released a fraud and spook job. Bookmark or pin this post.

Patrick says

Is it fair to say JFK strongly opposed this program?

Guess who agreed to limited inspections by the USA in Summer 1963 before Kennedy was shot? Israel! The first inspection was Jan 1964 which was agreed to early November, weeks before JFK was shot. Another inspection followed almost a year later in 1965.

At the time, the US was against ANY nuclear proliferation, Israel was not special. India and Pakistan developed nukes against our wishes as well.

Personally, I think that all of them were in on it: LBJ (for obvious reasons), the mob, CIA, and yes, Israel too, or at least AIPAC, because of the nuclear bomb issue.

There isn't any evidence pointing to any Israeli agent or official involved in the JFK assassination. It's wholly a postulated motive with no other shred of evidence. The evidence for LBJ, from Bell Helicopter & Air Cav, to Wallace in and around the building, to LBJ's strange rapid agreement to be out of the motorcade, last minute route changes, etc. all points to Deep State/LBJ involvement. The use of Ruby to silence Oswald, and placing of Oswald as a patsy, also shows deep state and mafia involvement.

I suspect there will be none tomorrow, but the Shia and their Axis of Influence will not be dissuaded from the Mossad allegations regardless.

There is no definitive, credible evidence directly linking Israel to the assassination of John F. Kennedy on November 22, 1963. The official investigation, conducted by the Warren Commission, concluded that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in assassinating the president, a finding supported by extensive forensic, ballistic, and eyewitness analysis. Subsequent reviews, like the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) in 1979, suggested a probable conspiracy but did not implicate Israel or its intelligence agency, Mossad, and instead pointed to possible involvement of domestic actors like organized crime or anti-Castro groups.

The theory of Israeli involvement largely stems from speculative claims rather than hard evidence. One prominent hypothesis, advanced by authors like Michael Collins Piper in his book Final Judgment, suggests that Israel had a motive due to tensions with Kennedy over its nuclear program at Dimona. Kennedy had pressed Israeli Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion for inspections to ensure the program remained peaceful, as documented in declassified correspondence from 1963. Ben-Gurion resigned in June 1963, reportedly frustrated by this pressure, and Kennedy was assassinated five months later. Proponents argue this timing and Israel’s desire for nuclear autonomy provide a motive, but no concrete documentation—such as orders, communications, or witness testimony—connects Israel to the act itself.

Additional claims sometimes point to indirect links, such as Clay Shaw, a New Orleans businessman tried by DA Jim Garrison for conspiracy in the assassination. Shaw was tied to Permindex, a trade organization some allege was a Mossad front due to its financial connections to figures like Tibor Rosenbaum, a banker with ties to Israeli intelligence. However, Shaw was acquitted in 1969, and the Permindex-Mossad link remains unproven conjecture, lacking primary source substantiation. Similarly, assertions that Oswald’s killer, Jack Ruby (a Jewish American with mob ties to Meyer Lansky), acted to silence him on Israel’s behalf are unsupported by Ruby’s own statements or records, which instead suggest personal or mob-related motives.

Declassified files, including over 2,400 FBI documents released as recently as 2025, and CIA records from the 1970s, have not revealed any Israeli involvement. CIA officer Reuben Efron, a Jewish immigrant who monitored Oswald’s mail before the assassination, is sometimes cited in conspiracy circles, but his role appears routine and unrelated to any plot. Theories also circulated in Middle Eastern media post-assassination, as noted by former diplomat Richard Curtiss, but these reflect regional sentiment rather than evidence.

Critics of the Israel theory argue it relies on circumstantial dots—nuclear disputes, vague intelligence ties—without a smoking gun. The Warren Commission, HSCA, and FBI investigations, while criticized for gaps, consistently found no foreign state involvement, including Israel. Without new, verifiable documentation or testimony, the claim remains a hypothesis, not a proven fact.

https://x.com/i/grok/share/28aLnPC8jfi699JA2TcJJofk5

IF There is any foreign involvement, there's a case for French Snipers ex-O.A.S. via Sicilian mafia used as paid mercenaries

I don't really believe Israel was involved either in the JFK. I would more firmly believe it was the usual suspects of the City of London and the Gestapo Swiss CIA. It's more that Israel are the tentacle that takes first blame distraction while the magician tricks take place elsewhere. They may be 'investors' in the various BIS IPOs and various levels of willing and amoral hired guns, executive criminal class or implementors, but seldom if ever the authoritative source.

In case nobody noticed, the game of musical blame game chairs goes round and round. It's purpose is to hide and disguise the main players, which has been successful until relatively recent history. The music stops, one blame magnet is left standing, then the music starts again until another blame magnet is left standing. Nobody ever wonders who is playing the music.

However, I also don't believe in the fake independent agency of Israel from the Euro Axis controllers. Israel is an artificial cage of history and a bulwark.

Israel is a proxy and a blocking action against the righteous gaining control of the Holy Land, like Jacob in the Bible finding it occupied by the Canaanite giants. The Rothschild Messiahs, the British Royals, and the Vatican are all in on it. They are believers in Israel's occult centrality and want it occupied and reserved for their demons.

If nobody noticed, Europe is entirely occupied by demons these days.

Who cares about Kennedy? Anyone involved is almost 100% dead at this point unless they were 12. Release files all you want, what difference does it make? No one is going to jail or losing sleep over it.

Any organization involved has reformed after the event. Think Epstein. Caught in NYC and moved his operation down to St. Thomas. So even if you find out about it, it's completely different in modern times. Legit criminals and deep state don't keep doing the same thing over and over. It would be obvious to detect.

AmericanKulak says

There isn't any evidence pointing to any Israeli agent or official involved in the JFK assassination.

The shred is that the informations is still suppressed 62 years later. LBJ is dead, the mob doesn't care about its reputation, and the CIA basically admitted involvement.

That leaves Israel.

WookieMan says

Who cares about Kennedy? Anyone involved is almost 100% dead at this point unless they were 12. Release files all you want, what difference does it make?

It has massive political implications if Israel was involved.

Patrick says

It has massive political implications if Israel was involved.

Eh, I don't agree. There's a reason Jews are not liked. If they were involved I'd be behind removing them all from this country. Not killing them, just moving them like illegals. Having no involvement with the ME over in a shit hole.

Just look at Hollywood. They're trash. I don't care about WWII. They think they're a gift to this world. They're condescending ass holes every Jew I've met. Just send them all to Israel. I know this comment will piss some off, but they've been nothing but a headache to the world no different than Islam.

Any religion is trash. A cult. I just like living and having fun. I don't care about fiction books and stories. There's better fiction written that isn't an attempt to defraud and take your money via tithing that make you think you're a good person.

Finally, the JFK files are out, and it is revealed that JFK was assassinated by grey aliens.

https://t.me/WeTheMedia/120629

BREAKING NEWS: JFK files reveal that the Warren Commission had it right all along. Lee Harvey Oswald used a cheap piece of junk rifle that was well known for having a sloppy bolt action was able to knock off 3 quick shots accurately. Forget the fact that no trained real expert was ever able to match Oswald's shots in his record time. And, forget too that Oswald was able to accomplish this with a very cheap rifle mounted scope that wasn't even sited in, AND, that the so called 'Magic Bullet' really was magical in that it changed direction in mid air, made 7 entry and exit wounds and ended up on a hospital gurney that neither John Connally nor JFK occupied, and, was found to be in near perfect condition. Of course that is possible, isn't it? The entrance bullet hole from the FRONT of the limousine that went through the windshield, which was destroyed and replaced by a new windshield? Don't make too much of a fuss about that. Who would want a limo with a bullet hole in the windshield? You'd get it fixed too, wouldn't you?

Also, the 'files' no doubt indicate that ALL of the Doctors at Parkland that day had it all wrong. The back of JFK's head was not blown away to the size of a grapefruit, and the Official Autopsy photos are not rigged at all to show that the back of his head is entirely intact. That's the kind of stuff for those Conspiracy Nuts.

It wouldn't be complete without the gaslighting and disinformation assaults. Did 'they' complete the rescissions, redactions, and installed tailored forgeries to suit in time? The participants in the Warren Commission were officially all criminals. What wall of obfuscations and fog of bullshit will come out of this crapfest?

Do the RFK files tell us that Sirhan Sirhan was never closer than 6 FEET in FRONT of RFK and that the shot that killed RFK was shot from within a foot (due to the muzzle blast) from the REAR of RFK's head? Do the 'released' files tell us any of that?

In the immortal words of one of America's greatest heroes:

"What difference does it make now?" - Hillary Rotten Clinton

PS: just try to imagine the reaction of dismissing the 'truth' of the Holocaust with that type of backhanded slap in the face.

RayAmerica says

Do the RFK files tell us that Sirhan Sirhan was never closer than 6 FEET in FRONT of RFK and that the shot that killed RFK was shot from within a foot (due to the muzzle blast) from the REAR of RFK's head? Do the 'released' files tell us any of that?

You can get that information from Noguchi's pathologist's report. It described the shot to the back of the head around the occipital, I believe. I was surprised he wasn't browbeaten into deleting it or not including it in the reportage. It's been many years and I don't know if they scrubbed it at some point or not.

It was blatantly clear that Sirhan was not the shooter, he was the patsy distraction as usual usual and the PTB forced the investigation to go nowhere also as usual usual. It's clear the Intels had the fake trials way back then and Sirhan was so brain dead from MKUltra (they probably followed up gorking him when he was in prison just to make sure) that he could not contribute anything to any investigation.

Skipping around the releases here:
https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/release-2025

Very heavily Caribbean focused so far, lots about Cuban operatives (pro-Comm) ... front company operators in the Antilles owing money to a PR Cement company... lots of stuff like that.

I'm just clicking PDFs randomly but so far its 90% Cuban-Caribbean-Castro focus

I did see a KUBARK (CIA self-reference codename) Counter Intel Interrogation manual of many pages... but I didn't save the link, it's in there.

AMHAWK
AEACTIVE
need definition... some kind of program or area of responsibility from context.

Complaints about De Verona brothers (Cuban exiles, anti-Castro) running "Practically independent operations" and being "Hard to get along with" from Mexican Office... yadda yadda

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2025/0318/104-10171-10106.pdf

Have no idea if this is 'old stuff' or 'new stuff'. We need parallel processing autists to digest the flood.

That's something from Ramparts, wonder if it's that left wing rag, annoying it doesn't have any link to a PDF.

Cool File detailing Cuban Operatives/Agents.
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2025/0318/104-10180-10042.pdf

A department or individual named SHYROCK seems to be the go-to coordinator of CounterIntel on Castro

This Robert Korengold is a hoot. UPI Employee and CIA source, compiled brief Personality Profiles of Press and Diplomats in 60s Moscow, was stationed there during Assassination.

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2025/0318/104-10218-10033.pdf

"Called the head of the calf (French: Clumsy)"
"Looks like a Peanut Vendor"
"(Greek Embassy Worker): Wife wears vulgar jewelry and into selling oils and carpets even more than usual for a Greek"
"(Some US Media correspondant): The most Jewish of all the Jews in Moscow"
"Wants to see striptease acts in Paris"
"(The Argentine Embassy Employee's French) Wife is snobby and buys too many needless clothes. Mendez thinks he is shrewd but is definitely not. KGB might use him for his need for money."

His bio:
https://nieman.harvard.edu/robert-j-bud-korengold-a-1964-nieman-fellow-who-served-as-a-foreign-correspondent-in-europe-before-transitioning-to-a-career-in-diplomacy-has-died/

And on our commercial break, we have JFK Jr. accusing the original Biden of being a traitor.



https://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=252585

Biden was a kid when JFK was shot. I haven't checked the timeline but he was a newb Congressman in the 70s.

i read bunch… don’t see why they classified that. there was nothing secretive, just a long police report.

The "Lookit this report of some rando sending Biden a schizo post but in old fashioned letter format via analog mail, so Biden killed Kennedy or covered it up" isn't really convincing me.

"Total Absence of Evidence is Totally Evidence! " - Qatar

The entire document that was "Strategically" cut and chopped by Groypers and Muh Mossad Haters on purpose to mislead for Islamicists.

You can see it's Angleton requesting that an informant ON Israel FOR the CIA not be revealed... in 1954, who is still alive at the time the document was kept back.



Unlike Groinpats and Qatar, I give you the straight link to it:
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2025/0318/124-10326-10100.pdf

If Israel is named, then it's totally evidence.

If Israel is NOT named, it's total evidence from total absence.

Either way, it's DaJooz.

https://t.co/moQmZ9VE4r

Interesting one.

AmericanKulak says

https://t.co/moQmZ9VE4r

Interesting one.

All AI generated bullshit.

You ppl are fools.