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Any of you cats read "The Art of the Deal"?


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2025 Feb 15, 7:24pm   1,176 views  70 comments

by RWSGFY   ➕follow (4)   ignore (8)  

Is it true that the main principle of negotiations described there is basically giving the opponent most of his ask right off the bat?

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37   Eric Holder   2025 Mar 25, 10:56am  

Another concession to the Soviets has been given: the so-called ceasefire on the Black Sea. This favors only one side, since Ukraine has been in control of the Black Sea for more than a year now, Ukrainian exports are flowing freely and the remnants of the Red fleet is corked up in Novorossiysk (refer to the "Black Sea Fleet neutered" thread for details).

Meanwhile, Donnie's idea of 30-day total ceasfire is still being rejected by Pukin (while being fully endorsed by Zel).

And Ham-ass ceasfire achieved by leaning on Israel has effectively collapsed too.

The bizzare negotiation stragegy of pressing and shitting on allies and cucking out to adversaries continues to bear zero fruit. And yet, it continues.

Definitely not something described in the book.
38   Patrick   2025 Mar 25, 12:24pm  

https://yuribezmenov.substack.com/p/trump-apprentice-tips-for-success


Comrades: Donald Trump Tweeted before Twitter existed.

In every episode of The Apprentice, he gave one tip for success that was ~30 seconds long. They were simple, punchy, Tweet-sized nuggets of common sense business wisdom. In many cases, they foreshadowed his reasoning for firing a contestant at the end of an episode.

I have transcribed all 63 of these tips below. You will be hard pressed to find anything controversial, wrong, or dumb. They also shed insight on how he operates.
39   AD   2025 Mar 26, 12:43am  

RWSGFY says

With the two most recent decisions wrt stopping of cyber ops and military aid the whole negotiation strategy looks more and more like rolling over and showing belly.

That was most def not in the book.


yes its like playing poker and being coy

but don't be too adversarial or hyper competitive to the point that the other side does not want to play cards (or meet at the negotiation table to ultimately handshake a deal)

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40   Eric Holder   2025 Mar 28, 12:14pm  

So, even the supposed limited ceasefire is not happening IRL. What's Donnie gonna concede next in order to "be coy" and "play pocker"?
41   HeadSet   2025 Mar 28, 7:44pm  

Patrick says

https://yuribezmenov.substack.com/p/trump-apprentice-tips-for-success



Comrades: Donald Trump Tweeted before Twitter existed.

In every episode of The Apprentice, he gave one tip for success that was ~30 seconds long. They were simple, punchy, Tweet-sized nuggets of common sense business wisdom. In many cases, they foreshadowed his reasoning for firing a contestant at the end of an episode.

I have transcribed all 63 of these tips below. You will be hard pressed to find anything controversial, wrong, or dumb. They also shed insight on how he operates.


Trump did not follow his own advice here when dealing with Linsay Graham:

13. Dog Does Not Eat Dog

The greatest thing that can happen to a business man or woman is to surround yourself with talented people who also happen to be loyal. You never know what makes a loyal person. And guess what, if they are not loyal the first time, don’t give them a second chance because they won’t be loyal the next time.
44   RWSGFY   2025 Apr 8, 5:31am  

"The Art of the Deal" vs "No Give, All Take".
45   KgK one   2025 Apr 8, 6:20am  




Lol
46   Eric Holder   2025 Apr 8, 5:51pm  

KgK one says




Lol


So how many in total, including Xi?

Show of hands?
47   RWSGFY   2025 Apr 9, 7:14am  

Eric Holder says

KgK one says





Lol


So how many in total, including Xi?

Show of hands?


I read it.
48   socal2   2025 Apr 9, 1:19pm  

"Many of you in the media clearly missed The Art of the Deal. You clearly failed to see what President Trump is doing here. You you tried to say that the rest of the world would be moved closer to China, when in fact, we've seen the opposite effect. The entire world is calling the United States of America, not China, because they need our markets, they need our consumers, and they need this president in the Oval Office to talk to them."

"That's exactly why more than 75 countries have called, because the United States of America is the best place in the world to do business. And the president has shown great courage, as the Secretary just said, in choosing to retaliate against China even higher!"

https://x.com/townhallcom/status/1910026205501211068?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1910026205501211068%7Ctwgr%5Eb45aaa35139a22538125c1bdb77873487c90b6ad%7Ctwcon%5Es1&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Fdougp%2F2025%2F04%2F09%2Fkaroline-leavitt-sets-stunned-wh-press-straight-on-trumps-tariff-strategy-art-of-the-deal-memes-ftw-n2411169
49   AmericanKulak   2025 Apr 9, 1:26pm  

Yep, when your top customer gets a sneeze, you get pneumonia.

Europe and China and South Korea and Japan and India need the US a helluva lot more than each other.
50   Eric Holder   2025 Apr 10, 8:59am  

socal2 says


"Many of you in the media clearly missed The Art of the Deal. You clearly failed to see what President Trump is doing here. ... China...


Yeah, definitely going by the book on China, opening with big ask and ratcheting up, not "lets offer maximum concessions out of the door and make puppy eyes at them so they maybe be so kind and start negotiating".

How come "by the book" is not happening wrt promised peace deals? There it is only concession fest and no ratcheting up anything anywhere in sight.
51   stereotomy   2025 Apr 10, 5:00pm  

Eric Holder says

socal2 says



"Many of you in the media clearly missed The Art of the Deal. You clearly failed to see what President Trump is doing here. ... China...


Yeah, definitely going by the book on China, opening with big ask and ratcheting up, not "lets offer maximum concessions out of the door and make puppy eyes at them so they maybe be so kind and start negotiating".

How come "by the book" is not happening wrt promised peace deals? There it is only concession fest and no ratcheting up anything anywhere in sight.

China has everything to lose and the US has everything to gain in the long term by putting China back in the box it was in in the 1980's. Over the next 20 years China will cease to be a unified country - it's facing massive demographic collapse. China has been inflating its population statistics for decades - some estimates put it as low as 800+ million.

China is fucked six ways from Sunday, and they did it to themselves with 40 years of the one child policy. The US never had nor continues to have anything to do with their fate. It was decided two generations ago by the Chinese government.
52   socal2   2025 Apr 10, 5:55pm  

stereotomy says

China has been inflating its population statistics for decades - some estimates put it as low as 800+ million.


About 600 million of them still live as peasants.
53   AD   2025 Apr 10, 10:58pm  

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At best we can reduce the trade deficit with poor countries like Vietnam by at most 25%.

But you can't expect less wealthy countries to buy "expensive" goods and services from the USA as much as we buy their cheap goods. I think Trump realizes this.

Trump does give off the Roy Cohn-style fanfare but he is still pragmatic and just wants to achieve some tangible gains for the USA like increasing manufacturing jobs as a % of the total jobs, reverse the trend of increasing annual deficits, etc.

It's that China is the most extreme culture as far as saving face, as it does not help its nearly 94% the same ethnicity combined with its Chicom / Maoism government.

So its going to be a tough nut to crack as far as try to get a better deal for the USA, or perhaps no deal as far as reversing trends like Chicoms setting up regulator barriers to imports, stealing USA intellectual property, hacking USA infrastructure, etc.

https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/in-secret-meeting-china-acknowledged-role-in-u-s-infrastructure-hacks-c5ab37cb

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54   Eric Holder   2025 Apr 11, 3:57pm  

stereotomy says


China is fucked six ways from Sunday


So is the USSR and yet Donnie basically lets them piss all over his face in response to all his peace overtures.
55   stereotomy   2025 Apr 11, 6:19pm  

personal
56   RWSGFY   2025 Apr 17, 10:06am  

Looks like it's Pukin who uses the art of the deal on Donnie and not the other way around.

So far Pukin kept his maximalist demands (and even added new ones) while Donnie is giving up more and more.

I expected competence. This ain't it.
58   RWSGFY   2025 Apr 23, 8:45am  

RWSGFY says






The Trump administration is considering reducing high tariffs on Chinese imports to 50%-65% instead of the previously imposed 145%,
- WSJ.
59   WookieMan   2025 Apr 24, 6:03am  

RWSGFY says

The Trump administration is considering reducing high tariffs on Chinese imports to 50%-65% instead of the previously imposed 145%,
- WSJ.

Eh, none of us know background on corporations located there that are negotiating. Even it's a net of 3-5 companies doing stuff in the US it was a net gain.

Basically he wasn't bringing the hammer to China, it was US and other foreign companies. If you make them see the light and they move back or move their manufacturing here, that's a huge win. That was the end goal. Overall tariffs at the end of the day are trivial long term. He could move them weekly. Businesses want stability and we can control that.
60   Fortwaye   2025 Apr 24, 6:25am  

Trump is now surrendering to China as well. Man this isn’t going to change anything.
61   AD   2025 Apr 24, 11:16pm  

WookieMan says


RWSGFY says


The Trump administration is considering reducing high tariffs on Chinese imports to 50%-65% instead of the previously imposed 145%,
- WSJ.

Eh, none of us know background on corporations located there that are negotiating. Even it's a net of 3-5 companies doing stuff in the US it was a net gain.

Basically he wasn't bringing the hammer to China, it was US and other foreign companies. If you make them see the light and they move back or move their manufacturing here, that's a huge win. That was the end goal. Overall tariffs at the end of the day are trivial long term. He could move them weekly. Businesses want stability and we can control that.



Trump set up a shipbuilding council in the White House because that is one manufacturing sector that is related to national security.

He should have identified some key manufacturing areas besides semiconductors and electronics such as antibiotics and medical equipment. Do the same as he did for the shipbuilding council.

We should have enough manufacturing capabilities and capacity in these manufacturing sectors that are national security related. We use Los Alamos National Lab for critical services instead of a Chinese manufacturer, so the same concept should apply.

This is what Trump should explain to the public, and he needs to realize we can't expect trade with a poorer or 3rd world country to not result in some trade deficit.

Their citizens can't buy all the Chevy Corvettes coming off the production line or their small businesses afford hiring New York white collar labor such as lawyers, advertisers, etc.

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62   AD   2025 Apr 24, 11:22pm  

Fortwaye says

Trump is now surrendering to China as well. Man this isn’t going to change anything.


Will see how much China wants to give in some if we show them the respect of being 5000 years old and having the largest manufacturing capabilities.

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-considers-exempting-some-goods-us-tariffs-source-says-2025-04-25/

The trade deficit in 2024 was around $920 billion.

So Trump likely wants it to be less than that to show an improvement over Birdbrain Biden, just like Trump is trying to cut from Birdbrain Biden's 2025 budget to reduce the deficit.

I think a large part of Trump's mentality is he is trying to do all this within 6 months to compensate for Birdbrain Biden's Marxist agenda during 2021 to 2024.

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63   RWSGFY   2025 May 2, 8:14am  

Soo, 100 days of friendly sounds, concessions, Witkoff's hand on heart and all that jazz...scratch that.... more like 200 days of that since the first phone calls from Donnie to Vlady-buddy has started right after the election. And what do we have to show for it? Soviets are still firmly on their maximalist demands. Here's Lavrov in interview with Brazilian newspaper named Globo(homo) on 04/28/25 (but reads as something from '23):

The international recognition of Crimea, Sevastopol, the DPR, the LPR, the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions as part of Russia is another imperative.
All the commitments Kiev assumes must be legally binding, contain enforcement mechanisms and be permanent.
Demilitarising and de-Nazifying Ukraine is also on the agenda, along with lifting sanctions, withdrawing lawsuits and cancelling arrest warrants, as well as returning Russian assets subjected to the so-called freeze in the West.
We will also insist on obtaining solid security guarantees for the Russian Federation in order to shield it from any threats emanating from hostile activities by NATO, the European Union and some of their member states along our western border.


Abject and total failure of "wag tail and show belly" diplomacy.
64   stereotomy   2025 May 2, 10:41am  

It took 2 years for the Bidet/Potatus regime to instigate the Ukraine war.

Give it time . . .
65   Eric Holder   2025 May 20, 12:22pm  

Soo, Donnie keeps making concessions and friendly sounds towards Pukin and getting absolutely nowhere. The Art of the Deal seems to be not really a thing.

Donnie has no cards?
66   Eric Holder   2025 May 20, 12:24pm  

stereotomy says


It took 2 years ...

Give it time . . .


Are we now saying Donnie didn't understand the problem will take years to solve (which makes him kinda dumb) or he was simply lying through his teeth to his voters (which makes him ...... )?
67   stereotomy   2025 May 20, 2:55pm  

Eric Holder says

stereotomy says



It took 2 years ...

Give it time . . .


Are we now saying Donnie didn't understand the problem will take years to solve (which makes him kinda dumb) or he was simply lying through his teeth to his voters (which makes him ...... )?

If it were just Russia, maybe he could have done it. Instead, he had to bitch slap the Euro Neocons and Globohomo sock puppets enough to make them look so stupid they'd give up trying to sabotage his plans. They can't lay off the hookers and blow, and it's starting to come out, as well as the pedo shit.
68   RWSGFY   2025 May 21, 1:45pm  

An assessment of the art of the deal in action:

German Defense Minister Pistorius commenting on Trump:

"I believe that he (Trump) overestimated his negotiating position, his personal power. Trump's first major mistake was right at the beginning, when he promised that Ukraine wouldn't join NATO and even offered Ukrainian territory."

"You don't do this. (...) It has created a situation where it is much harder for us to establish a ceasefire or peace."

Pistorius further elaborates regarding the Trump-Putin talks :

"My expectations were already low, but even those were undercut. Politically, nothing is really moving forward, except that we are running in circles."

Source: Spiegelonline
69   RWSGFY   2025 May 21, 1:45pm  

Donnie is flopping hard.
70   socal2   2025 May 21, 4:11pm  

RWSGFY says

German Defense Minister Pistorius commenting on Trump:


What credibility does Germany have on anything in terms of Russia? Have they stopped buying Russian oil/gas? Have they stopped trading with Russia through proxies?

Have they even met their minimum NATO spending goals?

This video from 6 years ago of a German delegation laughing at Trump when Trump rightfully warned that Germany is enabling Russia and will be totally hostage to them never gets old.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LLZBVTid4I

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