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social security fraud pdf

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Can save at least $10 billion a year in Social Security fraud just based on this Inspector General finding. This is low hanging fruit (easy fixes to save money). That $10 billion per year in savings can fund at least 2 Virginia Class submarines that can deploy not only cruise missiles but nuclear armed hypersonic missiles, if Trump wants to increase America's strategic forces.

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"From FYs 2015 through 2022, SSA estimates it made nearly $72 billion in improper payments, most of which were overpayments."

https://oig.ssa.gov/news-releases/2024-08-19-ig-reports-nearly-72-billion-improperly-paid-recommended-improvements-go-unimplemented/

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Read below. So the Inspector General for Social Security found in 2015 that 44,000 people who were deceased were still being paid for Social Security ?

Just in the last 3 weeks, the DOGE has uncovered at least $100 billion in gross waste or fraud.

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https://www.aol.com/elon-musk-cries-fraud-20-215927532.html

“We believe it likely SSA did not receive or record most of the 18.9 million individuals’ death information primarily because the individuals died decades ago—before the use of electronic death reporting,” the report states.

Around 44,000 were actually receiving benefits, with 13 of those older than 112.

$100B wasted over a decade looks pretty normal kind of overhead for a system like that. Mostly residual effect of lack of automation in the decades prior so it's bound to go down once reporting becomes electronic and better integrated. But the guy claims $4.7B being deliberatedly syphoned off, and this is a completely different animal. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I didn't believe Faucci when he brayed aboud "safe and effective", why should I suddenly blindly believe Musk now? Only because he wears a red hat? LOL

https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/1891685749398859982

One reason for the "extra" social security numbers is the illegals invent them.

Strange but true, some illegals may be paying social security and Medicare taxes.

Either way, they gotta go; hasta la vista baby.

clambo says

Strange but true, some illegals may be paying social security and Medicare taxes.

But this is net inflow, not outflow. You don't get paid if you're illegal. Even GC holders need to ahere to certain rules to qualify, afaik.

The_Deplorable says

https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/1891685749398859982

Sure, everybody suspects that. The question is how many are legit dead and how many are just data glitches. This will require legwork. How many people over 100 shown as getting social security in that table Elon released - 40 mil? How many clerks would be needed to check every one of them over the next 4 years? That's 27K cases per day every day, including weekends (but working on weekends is a superpower, so it's fine). Not sure how many cases a single person can close in a day, but it's hard to imagine something more than low teens.

Any 19yo monkey can write a one-line SQL statement. The real work comes after.

The Wall Street Journal Line is "This isn't really fraud, it's to help illegals pay into social security" leaving out the "Many TPS Refugees are signed up by Jesuit Social Workers within weeks for valid SSNs, which then allows them to register to vote or for JRS to give them to DemActivists to register motor voter in 'honor system' states like Washington."

WHISTLEBLOWER: They were incentivized to qualify illegals for LONG TERM DISABILITY to qualify illegals for Social Security FOR LIFE, “So they were set for life”

“They wanted us to try to identify them in such a way that they would qualify for long-term social security disability. Now long-term social security disability is for life. So if they get identified and qualify for long-term social security disability, they are as good as set up for life”

“That doesn't sound like a refugee to me. Just being honest, that sounds like someone who's planning on staying here.”

“So they instructed us to try to identify, to try to get the client, because once they arrive here, they're now called clients. —So they told us that we needed to talk to the client and ask them if they had any headaches, recurring headaches, or any lower back problems, anything that would qualify them for Social Security Long Term Disability”

“Yes, it is insanity. But in order to get Social Security disability benefits, don't you need a Social Security number? Well, we were instructed in the meeting that one of the first things we were supposed to do was sign them up for Social Security.”

“This is unbelievable. So they come over here and they get a Social Security number. Right. They become legal.

Correct.”

Democrats wanted illegals migrants on PERMANENT social security so they could drain our system and we’d pay for them until the day they die. They’d never have to work a day in their lives in America

https://x.com/WallStreetApes/status/1891895227067269464

AmericanKulak says

The Wall Street Journal Line is "This isn't really fraud, it's to help illegals pay into social security" leaving out the "Many TPS Refugees are signed up by Jesuit Social Workers within weeks for valid SSNs, which then allows them to register to vote or for JRS to give them to DemActivists to register motor voter in 'honor system' states like Washington."

Illegals are illegals and must go but their presense in the system makes proving that $4.7T is being syphoned off harder, not easier. Because whatever Deep State syphons off through these 300 yo payees the illegals fill back in, LOL.

I have a hunch they keep the most primitive systems in place rather than expediting the release from the rolls for the obvious reasons: they can keep a bunch of inefficient and agog civil servants on the rolls, too. They also keep alive a system that defies efficient audits on purpose to cover up the chicanery aka like the paper trails in warehouses heaving with old papers randomly arranged instead of computers.

Eric Holder says

But this is net inflow, not outflow. You don't get paid if you're illegal. Even GC holders need to ahere to certain rules to qualify, afaik.

Not me, but former employer would hire workers that would get their ITIN (illegal). They had to file taxes and pay into SS even as a contractor. If they have an ITIN the government looks the other way if they're legal or not.

He's probably shitting his pants right now though. I haven't talked to my former boss in 7 years. Part of the reason I had to leave. He wanted me to participate in illegal activities. Nope. Typical Chicago liberal/leftie. I was out. 15 years of his bull shit.

Strange. People who say SS couldn't be that sloppy, and yet election fraud was conspicuously sloppy with fake addresses and dead people. They just don't give a fuck because they believe themselves to be impervious i.e. impervious leads to sloppy.

Ceffer says

Strange. People who say SS couldn't be that sloppy, and yet election fraud was conspicuously sloppy with fake addresses and dead people. They just don't give a fuck because they believe themselves to be impervious i.e. impervious leads to sloppy.

... and yet no prosecution of the sloppy election riggers I'm aware of. Must be not that sloppy after all, if they are so hard to catch.

Eric Holder says

if they are so hard to catch.

Not hard to catch, hard to prosecute with the Dems, LibbyFucks and Freemasons at the helm. I gather that Trump has the election frauds on his menu, but we will see.

Ceffer says

Eric Holder says

if they are so hard to catch.

Not hard to catch, hard to prosecute with the Dems, LibbyFucks and Freemasons at the helm. I gather that Trump has the election frauds on his menu, but we will see.

Why hasn't he done anything about it? I mean, he kicked off many things, but not this.

Eric Holder says

Why hasn't he done anything about it? I mean, he kicked off many things, but not this.

Yet. It's not over.

Ceffer says

Eric Holder says

Why hasn't he done anything about it? I mean, he kicked off many things, but not this.

Yet. It's not over.

Right. But unlike many other things this needs to be done before midterms, which are less than 2 years away.

Eric Holder says

"The question is how many are legit dead and how many are just
data glitches. This will require legwork."

No it does require legwork because we already know just by looking at the age of
the Social Security recipients. We have over 20 million retirees who are over 100
years old. At this point it is safe to assume that these 20 million recipients are cases
of fraud. Except perhaps ten people or so.

I am asuming they can track what account the checks were deposited into.

The_Deplorable says

No it does require legwork because we already know just by looking at the age of
the Social Security recipients

Really? You can tell by just looking at one field that this is really the age of a recipirent and not date attribute corruption during transition from COBOL to RDBMS or during Y2K scramble? How?

AmericanKulak says

Democrats wanted illegals migrants on PERMANENT social security so they could drain our system

"drain out stystem"? To what end? What purpose?

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

I am asuming they can track what account the checks were deposited into.

You'd sure think so. Lack of this talking point from Elon/Trump is EXTREMELY concerning.

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

I am asuming they can track what account the checks were deposited into.

That's the legwork. Part of it. But apparently, as we just learned, it's not necessary.
"Because we know by looking".

So what's the next step? Cancel all these accounts which have hinky number in the DOB field outright? And if at least half of these turns out to be legit people whose data was effed up deal with 20M happy customers? With what workforce? And is it really better than do the legwork first?

PS. The fact that Musk and his 19yo geniususes don't even enterntain the possibility of data being screwed but go straight for "they are all dead" is fucking amateur hour.

https://genesiustimes.com/democrats-insist-century-old-social-security-recipients-are-real-and-they-all-voted-for-biden/

I can believe they all voted for Biden. Over and over again, too.

Eric Holder says

... and yet no prosecution of the sloppy election riggers I'm aware of. Must be not that sloppy after all, if they are so hard to catch.

No standing before election, nothing wrong was done
No standing after election, you should have brought this forward before.

Also, the biggest steals were in the bluest areas. Elections are run by the state. All of irregularities happened in a handful of counties in 5 states. The RINOs threw it on purpose; they fought tooth and nail over a few hanging chads in Florida in 2000.

Were any of you as shocked as I that Social Security employs 60,000 people?

WTF???

clambo says

Were any of you as shocked as I that Social Security employs 60,000 people?

WTF???

Not shocked since it's government after all. You probably need 1-5k people max. The employers and business owners send the info in on their own. It's a database operation. Data in, payment out when you want to start collecting. If anything 1K of those employees should make sure recipients are even alive.

While basic, Federal input for payroll is redardedly simple. You don't need a payroll service. Did it for 15 years. I could easily do it for a company of 1k employees on my own.

RWSGFY says

So what's the next step? Cancel all these accounts which have hinky number in the DOB field outright? And if at least half of these turns out to be legit people whose data was effed up deal with 20M happy customers? With what workforce? And is it really better than do the legwork first?

The benefits clearly outweigh the costs or disadvantages as far as stop payments on Social Security fraudulent accounts.

Those who are adversely impacted (which I doubt would be 20 million let alone 2 million) can go to a law firm or local Congressman's office to resolve this.

Send out notices warning that their benefits would be stopped in 3 months unless they provide more credentials or evidence needed to ensure the payments are not fraudulent.

With proper credentials or evidence it should not take the government more than 30 minutes to resolve this.

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Interesting on the local neighborhood blogs. The propagandists are getting some real kickback, unlike previous times where virtually every poster would just politely toe the line with the propaganda line. The MSM Mockingbirds are doing everything they can to 'explain away' the SS discrepancies with, of course, a pack of lies. Never would have seen this in Cali probably just last year. Exchange got heated with the propagandists eventually resorting to name calling of those trying to rebalance the thread.

OP had just quoted some MSNBC crap explaining away the SS numbers of dead people collecting.

Remember this is coastal California. Even here, the lies aren't working any more, no matter how much they scream and yell them.

Patrick says

Hi Patrick. I'm genuinely curious about this—do you think most of these are actually fraudulent payments, or could they be some kind of database artifact or reporting issue (some sources mention COBOL dates, timestamps, etc ... ). Just asking for your opinion as a data guy who has likely has seen lots of data systems.

No it does require legwork because we already know just by looking at the age of
the Social Security recipients. We have over 20 million retirees who are over 100
years old. At this point it is safe to assume that these 20 million recipients are cases
of fraud. Except perhaps ten people or so.

Eric Holder says

"Really? You can tell by just looking at one field that this is really the
age of a recipirent and not date attribute corruption during transition from COBOL to
RDBMS or during Y2K scramble? How?"

Common sense. You are looking at the age of Social Security recipients over the age
of 100 and you have no reason to assume otherwise.

The_Deplorable says

Except perhaps ten people or so.

Exactly. Double digits could be fat fingers or other goofs. More than that is bullshit

Wouldn't be surprised, given the tendency of the demons to multi task. Laundering AND election fraud in a single package. Where better to get a roster of dead voters than SS?

AmericanKulak: Democrats wanted illegals migrants on PERMANENT social
security so they could drain our system

GNL says

""drain out stystem"? To what end? What purpose?"

To bankrupt the USA.