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I doubt that the launderers would be going to the trouble to harvest a bunch of individual printed checks. They would just make accounting entries a la Bernie Madoff and scoop the amounts en masse.

SS allows direct electronic transfer to bank account numbers, no checks. Maybe they should see if the dead have a common bank or bank array for deposits.

Ceffer says

SS allows direct electronic transfer to bank account numbers, no checks. Maybe they should see if the dead have a common bank or bank array for deposits.

Yes, as the bank account that gets the automatic deposit from Social Security likely has another name on it.

The banks will also send to the IRS a 1099-INT even if they pay only $10 in interest for 1 year.

Run a query as far as those banking accounts of +90 year old Social Security recipients against those 1099-INT filings, and conduct a sampling of those banking accounts which have two names on the account.

Go from there based on those two names on the account. Lots of ways to audit this.

Also at least check to see if the Social Security recipients are filing a federal tax return.

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It just keeps getting better and better.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/02/stephen-miller-exposes-foreign-fraud-rings-foreign-nationals/

AD says

Also at least check to see if the Social Security recipients are filing a federal tax return.

Since the dead guys have no other threshold income, they don't have a federal tax liability.

A left-leaning acquaintance of mine just posted that Elon is lying about this because some funeral director said that every time someone dies, the funeral directors fill out a form and fax it to the Social Security Administration.
As if that's proof.
#1 Is that person a funeral director? Who knows?
#2 Does such a form exist? Possibly. I wouldn't contest it.
#3 Do all funeral home directors follow the rules on this? Who knows?
#4 Does the person on the receiving end at the Social Security Administration follow through with whatever step should be taken next? Who knows?
So I could just as easily say this person is lying as this person says it about Mr. Musk.

It's true that the funeral home (or cremation service, etc.) reports the person is deceased to Social Security Administration at the same time he fills out the death certificate.

What may be true is that the social security numbers may be lying around if Social Security never got a death certificate from someone. It may not mean that social security is sending money to dead people however.

Ceffer says

Since the dead guys have no other threshold income, they don't have a federal tax liability.

They may be earning income through other assets like dividend paying mutual funds, etc and the banks and brokerages still have their name on the accounts since their deaths were never reported.

Then that brings the matter as far as the next of kin, heirs and probate with administering the inheritance.

But yes, I suspect a majority of the Social Security recipients who are dead likely make below that income tax reporting requirement.

But a vast majority of these recipients are to checking accounts which pay interest and which get reported annually as a 1099 INT to the IRS with all the names on the checking accounting.

At least one of the "all the names" is engaging in Social Security fraud.

This type of query is not hard to do as far as Social Security inspector general agents running queries with the IRS records on this.

This is an electronic records trail or virtual paper trail that can be easily founded and searched to aid in this type of investigation of Social Security fraud.

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Since there are over 30 million extra active social security numbers than we have population in the United States, the potential for massive amounts of fraud is real. This does not just pertain to the over 100 years categories.

SS number is the key to the dead pirate chattels corporate kingdom. Create as many fake dead corporations (or dead corporations of the actual dead) as you need for your laundering schemes and scoop up the revenue. It's identity scam writ large.

The guy above is either 1. bullshitting 2. highly paid W2 slave.

He's also forgetting to calculate how much Social Security payments will have increased over time due to the absurd
"Cost of Living Adjustment" COLA.

Maybe by the time he is 67 he'll get much more than $3075/month.

On the other hand, it's well known by most people that Social Security is a Ponzi scheme, not a true pension.

clambo says

Social Security is a Ponzi scheme, not a true pension.

Don't forget "Laundering Ponzi Scheme and Foreign Apparatchik Payroll".

Back in the day people that worked in the SS offices that had a certain level, would be able to issue social security number without any oversight.

Before Tax ID numbers were issued, the SS administration would issue numbers to some foreigners if it was for business. I don't know how, but the people that I knew (and were foreigners) that got them, built credit histories just like regular SS numbers. They were all told NOT to use them for work.

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FDR called it Social Insurance during his fireside chats that were broadcast over the radio.

He intended it to be paid out based on a means test. So you paid into Social Insurance and if you remained rich after age 60 then you did not collect Social Insurance.

I believe he needed a certain amount of Republican votes to approve it, and the Republicans did not support the idea of Social Insurance.

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SS card for foreigners mentions that it’s not for work based on the application.
Need to reapply to get a new card if the status changes.

Soooo, it's been couple of days... Have Musk's geniuses managed to identify actual supposedly 150 yo recipients of SS payments? As in actual money actually going out of US Treasury and into bank account in thr name of supposedly 150 (or, better yet, 369) years old (and long dead) person?

They have the superpower of working on weekends, so there must be some results already.

Where's the receipts, Elon?

RWSGFY says

Have Musk's geniuses managed to identify actual supposedly 150 yo recipients of SS payments? As in actual money actually going out of US Treasury and into bank account in thr name of supposedly 150 (or, better yet, 369) years old (and long dead) person?

Yes, this will kill some credibility unless Elon names them.

Blue says

SS card for foreigners mentions that it’s not for work based on the application.
Need to reapply to get a new card if the status changes.

Not the ones that I saw that were given for "business" purposes. They did tell them not to use them for employment.

“Death field set to false” doesn’t mean that payments are being sent. I’m pretty sure mine is set to false and I don’t get any money, I only pay. Also need to check how many birthdates are entered incorrectly.

Just wait for the Medicare/Medicaid and Civil Servant fake IDs. The question arises why would these identities be there to begin with. The only sanctifying position is bureaucratic incompetency. The other options are laundering, voter fraud foundation, and claims frauds. There is no GOOD explanation for this. These IDs are also useful for generating and financing Gladio soldier (and their payrolls) fake IDs and various Intel legend types, a kind of reserve pool.

Obama Legend's SS number was taken from a guy from the deadrolls.

psychoh says

Hi Patrick. I'm genuinely curious about this—do you think most of these are actually fraudulent payments, or could they be some kind of database artifact or reporting issue (some sources mention COBOL dates, timestamps, etc ... ). Just asking for your opinion as a data guy who has likely has seen lots of data systems.

@psychoh

I think now that those are just the people registered to receive Social Security payments. Some is fraud for sure.

Another day of no proof of actual money paid to "dead" recipients.

RWSGFY says

Another day of no proof of actual money paid to "dead" recipients.

oh yeah boy ? there are more recent examples like the ones below

https://fox59.com/news/indycrime/kokomo-woman-raked-in-231k-in-social-security-benefits-while-claiming-dead-husband-was-still-alive/

https://www.fox10tv.com/2025/02/28/mobile-woman-pleads-guilty-social-security-fraud/

https://www.fox10tv.com/video/2024/12/06/dallas-county-man-pleads-guilty-social-security-fraud-case/

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/crime/article/david-lam-mothers-social-security-fraud-20151653.php
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@AD Why do you add a period or comma alone on a line?

Patrick says

AD Why do you add a period or comma alone on a line?

Wondered the same for over a year now. Doesn't bother me, just curious.

I like hearing the Panhandle, FL talk. That's my 2nd home vacation wise.

AD says

RWSGFY says

Another day of no proof of actual money paid to "dead" recipients.

oh yeah boy ? there are more recent examples like the ones below

https://fox59.com/news/indycrime/kokomo-woman-raked-in-231k-in-social-security-benefits-while-claiming-dead-husband-was-still-alive/

https://www.fox10tv.com/2025/02/28/mobile-woman-pleads-guilty-social-security-fraud/

https://www.fox10tv.com/video/2024/12/06/dallas-county-man-pleads-guilty-social-security-fraud-case/

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/crime/article/david-lam-mothers-social-security-fraud-20151653.php
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These are not 120-369 y.o. And not from Musk geniuses.

Do some people sometimes get away with getting their deceased relatives' SS payments for couple of years? Sure. But this is not the thing we're talking about. And we didn't need Musk to tell us this, as your links prove.

Please focus.

We are talking about alleged 40 million of SSN accounts registered to 120-369 y.o. people with money being paid out for decades. And this part is not proven yet.

Obligatory:

Eric Holder says

These are not 120-369 y.o. And not from Musk geniuses.

Do some people sometimes get away with getting their deceased relatives' SS payments for couple of years? Sure. But this is not the thing we're talking about. And we didn't need Musk to tell us this, as your links prove.

Please focus.

It's not just Social Security recipients over the age of 100 that Musk is examining.

Musk was just trying to draw attention to how ridiculous the Social Security database is. It's a way to get American taxpayer curiosity as far as wondering how much problems there are beyond just a poorly maintained database.

I believe they are investigating the verification system to ensure that Social Security is not being paid out still to bank accounts of dead recipients.

There are different ways to accomplish this.

Offer a reward to those reporting Social Security fraud, like 10% of any money recovered from those convicted of Social Security fraud.

Almost no different than a qui tam whistleblower complaint.

Granted if there is no electronic or paper trail (I.e., death notices, online obituaries, etc) then it is difficult, as they could have buried the dead recipient in the backyard, etc.

AD says

They won't lose everything, since Social Security can only be garnished 25 percent one check at a time.

Now that the 369 y.o. SS recipient made it into the POTUS speech in the Congress, have Musk finally got up from his Ozempic ass and followed up on at least one case and proven it was real and not a data glitch?

The silence is deafening.

RWSGFY says

"Now that the 369 y.o. SS recipient made it into the POTUS
speech in the Congress, have Musk finally got up from his Ozempic ass and
followed up on at least one case and proven it was real and not a data glitch?"

It is not a data glitch and the proof is staring you in the face. The SS data
base has over 20 million people who are over 100 years old. So what are
you saying? The SS data base has over 20 million glitches?

Also having millions of active SSNs belonging to dead people still in the system allows illegals to use numbers AND other entities to access programs.

Even if the government isn't paying out money to those numbers.

I don't know if they NEED that many identities, but it certainly creates quite a repository for creating legends like Obama and also funneling money to them.

You always see in the spy fictions the spy's secret stashes of money from many countries and a stack of passports with different identities. Also, in detective fiction you have the sweaty guy in the basement with a monocle who can be bribed to give somebody a SS number and name change with credentials to start a new life. I imagine witness protection and other Guv modalities might be doing this, too.

AmericanKulak says

Also having millions of active SSNs belonging to dead people still in the system allows illegals to use numbers AND other entities to access programs.

Even if the government isn't paying out money to those numbers.

Even is social security ain't paying out coin to those numbers, welfare, fraudulent tax refunds and other benefits are going out to them.

https://t.me/SGTnewsNetwork/86545

Misc says

Even is social security ain't paying out coin to those numbers, welfare, fraudulent tax refunds and other benefits are going out to them.

Correct. They're used to access benefits, programs, etc. not even the payouts themselves.

"Gee, how did this 120 year old get a tax break for hiring a refugee/former welfare recipient for DBA Rodriguez Roofing? Is a 120-year old really running a roofing company at that age?"

AmericanKulak says

They're used to access benefits, programs, etc. not even the payouts themselves.

I think fake SSNs also facilitate fake voter registration.