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RWSGFY says

So what's the next step? Cancel all these accounts which have hinky number in the DOB field outright? And if at least half of these turns out to be legit people whose data was effed up deal with 20M happy customers? With what workforce? And is it really better than do the legwork first?

The benefits clearly outweigh the costs or disadvantages as far as stop payments on Social Security fraudulent accounts.

Those who are adversely impacted (which I doubt would be 20 million let alone 2 million) can go to a law firm or local Congressman's office to resolve this.

Send out notices warning that their benefits would be stopped in 3 months unless they provide more credentials or evidence needed to ensure the payments are not fraudulent.

With proper credentials or evidence it should not take the government more than 30 minutes to resolve this.

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Interesting on the local neighborhood blogs. The propagandists are getting some real kickback, unlike previous times where virtually every poster would just politely toe the line with the propaganda line. The MSM Mockingbirds are doing everything they can to 'explain away' the SS discrepancies with, of course, a pack of lies. Never would have seen this in Cali probably just last year. Exchange got heated with the propagandists eventually resorting to name calling of those trying to rebalance the thread.

OP had just quoted some MSNBC crap explaining away the SS numbers of dead people collecting.

Remember this is coastal California. Even here, the lies aren't working any more, no matter how much they scream and yell them.

Patrick says

Hi Patrick. I'm genuinely curious about this—do you think most of these are actually fraudulent payments, or could they be some kind of database artifact or reporting issue (some sources mention COBOL dates, timestamps, etc ... ). Just asking for your opinion as a data guy who has likely has seen lots of data systems.

No it does require legwork because we already know just by looking at the age of
the Social Security recipients. We have over 20 million retirees who are over 100
years old. At this point it is safe to assume that these 20 million recipients are cases
of fraud. Except perhaps ten people or so.

Eric Holder says

"Really? You can tell by just looking at one field that this is really the
age of a recipirent and not date attribute corruption during transition from COBOL to
RDBMS or during Y2K scramble? How?"

Common sense. You are looking at the age of Social Security recipients over the age
of 100 and you have no reason to assume otherwise.

The_Deplorable says

Except perhaps ten people or so.

Exactly. Double digits could be fat fingers or other goofs. More than that is bullshit

Wouldn't be surprised, given the tendency of the demons to multi task. Laundering AND election fraud in a single package. Where better to get a roster of dead voters than SS?

AmericanKulak: Democrats wanted illegals migrants on PERMANENT social
security so they could drain our system

GNL says

""drain out stystem"? To what end? What purpose?"

To bankrupt the USA.

Patrick says

DNC for sure along with all 3 letter agencies must know the real people who those numbers translate into with address, phone numbers, relatives, their pets everything. It must be an open secret under privacy but within certain circles.

AD says

Send out notices warning that their benefits would be stopped in 3 months unless they provide more credentials or evidence needed to ensure the payments are not fraudulent

How about stopping benefits immediately?

If they have the wherewithal to cash checks they should be able to verify their identity.

GNL says

AmericanKulak says

Democrats wanted illegals migrants on PERMANENT social security so they could drain our system

"drain out stystem"? To what end? What purpose?

Partly Cloward–Piven to drain on purpose and partly not caring about draining as long as it helps buy a future voting block.

The_Deplorable says

No it does require legwork because we already know just by looking at the age of
the Social Security recipients. We have over 20 million retirees who are over 100
years old. At this point it is safe to assume that these 20 million recipients are cases
of fraud. Except perhaps ten people or so.

Eric Holder says

"Really? You can tell by just looking at one field that this is really the
age of a recipirent and not date attribute corruption during transition from COBOL to
RDBMS or during Y2K scramble? How?"

Common sense. You are looking at the age of Social Security recipients over the age
of 100 and you have no reason to assume otherwise.

DK is strong with this one.

Ceffer says

Interesting on the local neighborhood blogs. The propagandists are getting some real kickback, unlike previous times where virtually every poster would just politely toe the line with the propaganda line.

The commentary on YouTube videos is also overwhelmingly pro DOGE and Trump on this issue.

Eric Holder says

date attribute corruption during transition from COBOL to RDBMS or during Y2K scramble? How?

Was Y2K really an issue for COBOL? I see Wired and other magazines claiming that COBOL did not have a date function, but that is not correct. True a 2 digit date was often used, but a very easy fix:

01 DATE-FIELD.
05 YEAR PIC 9(2).
05 MONTH PIC 9(2).
05 DAY PIC 9(2).

01 FULL-YEAR PIC 9(4).

IF YEAR < 50 THEN
MOVE 20YY TO FULL-YEAR
ELSE
MOVE 19YY TO FULL-YEAR.

Also COBOL was was made Y2K compliant anyway:



https://www.ibmmainframer.com/cobol-tutorial/cobol-date-function/

I doubt that the launderers would be going to the trouble to harvest a bunch of individual printed checks. They would just make accounting entries a la Bernie Madoff and scoop the amounts en masse.

SS allows direct electronic transfer to bank account numbers, no checks. Maybe they should see if the dead have a common bank or bank array for deposits.

Ceffer says

SS allows direct electronic transfer to bank account numbers, no checks. Maybe they should see if the dead have a common bank or bank array for deposits.

Yes, as the bank account that gets the automatic deposit from Social Security likely has another name on it.

The banks will also send to the IRS a 1099-INT even if they pay only $10 in interest for 1 year.

Run a query as far as those banking accounts of +90 year old Social Security recipients against those 1099-INT filings, and conduct a sampling of those banking accounts which have two names on the account.

Go from there based on those two names on the account. Lots of ways to audit this.

Also at least check to see if the Social Security recipients are filing a federal tax return.

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It just keeps getting better and better.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/02/stephen-miller-exposes-foreign-fraud-rings-foreign-nationals/

AD says

Also at least check to see if the Social Security recipients are filing a federal tax return.

Since the dead guys have no other threshold income, they don't have a federal tax liability.

A left-leaning acquaintance of mine just posted that Elon is lying about this because some funeral director said that every time someone dies, the funeral directors fill out a form and fax it to the Social Security Administration.
As if that's proof.
#1 Is that person a funeral director? Who knows?
#2 Does such a form exist? Possibly. I wouldn't contest it.
#3 Do all funeral home directors follow the rules on this? Who knows?
#4 Does the person on the receiving end at the Social Security Administration follow through with whatever step should be taken next? Who knows?
So I could just as easily say this person is lying as this person says it about Mr. Musk.

It's true that the funeral home (or cremation service, etc.) reports the person is deceased to Social Security Administration at the same time he fills out the death certificate.

What may be true is that the social security numbers may be lying around if Social Security never got a death certificate from someone. It may not mean that social security is sending money to dead people however.

Ceffer says

Since the dead guys have no other threshold income, they don't have a federal tax liability.

They may be earning income through other assets like dividend paying mutual funds, etc and the banks and brokerages still have their name on the accounts since their deaths were never reported.

Then that brings the matter as far as the next of kin, heirs and probate with administering the inheritance.

But yes, I suspect a majority of the Social Security recipients who are dead likely make below that income tax reporting requirement.

But a vast majority of these recipients are to checking accounts which pay interest and which get reported annually as a 1099 INT to the IRS with all the names on the checking accounting.

At least one of the "all the names" is engaging in Social Security fraud.

This type of query is not hard to do as far as Social Security inspector general agents running queries with the IRS records on this.

This is an electronic records trail or virtual paper trail that can be easily founded and searched to aid in this type of investigation of Social Security fraud.

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Since there are over 30 million extra active social security numbers than we have population in the United States, the potential for massive amounts of fraud is real. This does not just pertain to the over 100 years categories.

SS number is the key to the dead pirate chattels corporate kingdom. Create as many fake dead corporations (or dead corporations of the actual dead) as you need for your laundering schemes and scoop up the revenue. It's identity scam writ large.

The guy above is either 1. bullshitting 2. highly paid W2 slave.

He's also forgetting to calculate how much Social Security payments will have increased over time due to the absurd
"Cost of Living Adjustment" COLA.

Maybe by the time he is 67 he'll get much more than $3075/month.

On the other hand, it's well known by most people that Social Security is a Ponzi scheme, not a true pension.

clambo says

Social Security is a Ponzi scheme, not a true pension.

Don't forget "Laundering Ponzi Scheme and Foreign Apparatchik Payroll".

Back in the day people that worked in the SS offices that had a certain level, would be able to issue social security number without any oversight.

Before Tax ID numbers were issued, the SS administration would issue numbers to some foreigners if it was for business. I don't know how, but the people that I knew (and were foreigners) that got them, built credit histories just like regular SS numbers. They were all told NOT to use them for work.

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FDR called it Social Insurance during his fireside chats that were broadcast over the radio.

He intended it to be paid out based on a means test. So you paid into Social Insurance and if you remained rich after age 60 then you did not collect Social Insurance.

I believe he needed a certain amount of Republican votes to approve it, and the Republicans did not support the idea of Social Insurance.

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SS card for foreigners mentions that it’s not for work based on the application.
Need to reapply to get a new card if the status changes.

Soooo, it's been couple of days... Have Musk's geniuses managed to identify actual supposedly 150 yo recipients of SS payments? As in actual money actually going out of US Treasury and into bank account in thr name of supposedly 150 (or, better yet, 369) years old (and long dead) person?

They have the superpower of working on weekends, so there must be some results already.

Where's the receipts, Elon?

RWSGFY says

Have Musk's geniuses managed to identify actual supposedly 150 yo recipients of SS payments? As in actual money actually going out of US Treasury and into bank account in thr name of supposedly 150 (or, better yet, 369) years old (and long dead) person?

Yes, this will kill some credibility unless Elon names them.

Blue says

SS card for foreigners mentions that it’s not for work based on the application.
Need to reapply to get a new card if the status changes.

Not the ones that I saw that were given for "business" purposes. They did tell them not to use them for employment.

“Death field set to false” doesn’t mean that payments are being sent. I’m pretty sure mine is set to false and I don’t get any money, I only pay. Also need to check how many birthdates are entered incorrectly.

Just wait for the Medicare/Medicaid and Civil Servant fake IDs. The question arises why would these identities be there to begin with. The only sanctifying position is bureaucratic incompetency. The other options are laundering, voter fraud foundation, and claims frauds. There is no GOOD explanation for this. These IDs are also useful for generating and financing Gladio soldier (and their payrolls) fake IDs and various Intel legend types, a kind of reserve pool.

Obama Legend's SS number was taken from a guy from the deadrolls.

psychoh says

Hi Patrick. I'm genuinely curious about this—do you think most of these are actually fraudulent payments, or could they be some kind of database artifact or reporting issue (some sources mention COBOL dates, timestamps, etc ... ). Just asking for your opinion as a data guy who has likely has seen lots of data systems.

@psychoh

I think now that those are just the people registered to receive Social Security payments. Some is fraud for sure.

Another day of no proof of actual money paid to "dead" recipients.

RWSGFY says

Another day of no proof of actual money paid to "dead" recipients.

oh yeah boy ? there are more recent examples like the ones below

https://fox59.com/news/indycrime/kokomo-woman-raked-in-231k-in-social-security-benefits-while-claiming-dead-husband-was-still-alive/

https://www.fox10tv.com/2025/02/28/mobile-woman-pleads-guilty-social-security-fraud/

https://www.fox10tv.com/video/2024/12/06/dallas-county-man-pleads-guilty-social-security-fraud-case/

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/crime/article/david-lam-mothers-social-security-fraud-20151653.php
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