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I don't believe that this is anything but an avatar being put to rest because a plan has been completed for a new figure head. It's ritualized theater for public consumption since the original Francis is alleged dead for a few years. This one they showed recently looks different again.

Jesuits were never supposed to be allowed to be white pope, anyway, so legitimacy vs. overt Church coup has always been suspect. The real managers P2P3 Masons, black nobles etc. just pick their icon. Open Baphomet and Luciferian themes in the Church, what could possibly go wrong?

Let's watch the dates, numerology, specific announced times, and astrology of the alleged death or papal resignation and see how they match up with all of the occult markers.

Did he die yet? As a former Catholic I can't stand the guy.

WookieMan says

Did he die yet? As a former Catholic I can't stand the guy.

Why former?

RayAmerica says

Conservative Catholics hate this guy and are hoping, in vain, that a conservative pope will replace him. That is not going to happen. The reason? During the last 12 years, the Jesuit Bergoglio has replaced almost 70% of the Cardinals that will be voting to elect the next pope, and they are all committed social radicals that reflect Bergoglio's own 'values,' such as the LGBTQ agenda, 'blessing' same sex unions, open borders, the climate change hoax, Marxist global government as described by the World Economic Forum, i.e., they will own everything, and YOU will own nothing.

In short, the Catholic church is going to continue to broaden its appeal to much more liberal young people. With older conservative catholics dying off, it's a matter of economic survival, and unless the RCC moves in that direction, it cannot survive.

Anecdotally I was talking to a retired priest who says that, at least in his diocese, the young men coming through the seminary these days all lean conservative. Without clergy the church cannot exist.

I don't always agree with his policies but I still pray for the Pope.

GNL says

WookieMan says

Did he die yet? As a former Catholic I can't stand the guy.

Why former?

I've mentioned it before. We read news stories and 2 weeks later it was a lie or made up in 2025. Yet we believe in a book that is 2k plus years old??? That makes no sense when 80% of people at that time had no literacy or writing abilities. Game of telephone over 2k years. It's not true.

Religion is made up to extract money from people. Tax free as well. So I stopped believing and I don't think anyone can prove what I'm saying is wrong. We witness it daily. Trump colluded with Russia. Nope. There's a host of other things written that are wrong within a month. Trump screwed a bank when he paid his debt..... These things happened in the last 5 years and were completely fabricated.

GreaterNYCDude says

I don't always agree with his policies but I still pray for the Pope.

I don't want people to die, but I'm not praying for anyone. When has that worked? I'll be waiting for someone to explain that to me.

Anyone have surgery, go under with drugs? That's death, it just doesn't end though with death. Generally you wake up from the procedure, but death you don't. Have the experience and let me know if you believe in the afterlife. It doesn't exist.

WookieMan says

GreaterNYCDude says

I don't always agree with his policies but I still pray for the Pope.

I don't want people to die, but I'm not praying for anyone. When has that worked? I'll be waiting for someone to explain that to me.

Anyone have surgery, go under with drugs? That's death, it just doesn't end though with death. Generally you wake up from the procedure, but death you don't. Have the experience and let me know if you believe in the afterlife. It doesn't exist.

I can't make you (or anyone else) believe in the afterlife. Prayer works. Again I can't make you belive that. But I know what I've seen and experienced in my own life.

GreaterNYCDude says

But I know what I've seen and experienced in my own life.

Which is what? Prayers don't work. Trust me. I've had plenty of death in my life. More than average and most deaths you wouldn't even have a chance to pray for. They're just dead.

Not knocking religious people, just know it's a fictitious book and praying does nothing. I work with an extremely religious guy. We're doing an estate sale for an extremely religious woman that died in a hit and run that I was a good childhood friend of her son.

No one had a chance to pray for her. You're better off spending time with those people and not praying. You'll regret the wasted time not with them and praying for them.

Your time ends when it ends. One of my more recent trips out to CA a coworker of my wife died getting crushed working on his car. Another highway worker got split in 3... his body.

Enjoy life and the people around you. Control what you can control. Some God is not going to swoop in and save you or others.

I should be dead. Several times over.

Prayer works. But one person praying rarely gets it done. Real prayer is similar to meditation. Focused thought activates a different part of the brain. Multiply that by several people, all with the same focused thought on the same intention, and sone next level stuff can happen.

Does it always work? Of course not. Sometimes the answer to a prayer is NO.

And we pray for both the loving and the dead because we want them to get to heaven. I should probably start a new thread but simply stated you die your soul continues on. Judgement is real. Heaven and hell are real. And for thoes who aren't pure enough to enter into heaven but not so far gone that they are condemned to hell spend time in Purgatory or as I like to call it, Heavens waiting room.

How do I know? Mostly faith. A few anecdotal experiences reinforce this. But that's a story for a other day.

Prayer is a form of consolidating consciousness over the forces that want to keep us in a state of confusion and deception. Even if you don't abide by a particular entity, the galvanizing process of synchronizing consciousness makes it worthwhile.

GreaterNYCDude says

How do I know? Mostly faith. A few anecdotal experiences reinforce this. But that's a story for a other day.

I don't care if people have their beliefs. But you cannot believe religion when basic world knowledge and writings are trash 1-2 months after it comes out. There were no WMD's in Iraq. That was 20 years ago. You're talking 2,000 years ago with a lower intelligence level. They could just make it up and did.

That's my point. Churches don't pay property or income taxes. Soak that in. No fraud is happening there on some of the most valuable real estate on the planet. But, hey toss them money and pray. Churches are the mafia.

I can certainly understand why people believe that and I know there is a lot of fraud, financial and other types of fraud, going on. Religion has been used for nefarious purposes as well as good forever.

I went to Catholic school in Chicagoland in 3rd grade. My teacher was a nun who hit the students frequently, often for vague reasons. Once she lost her watch and wanted to know who stole it. No one confessed, so she whacked each kid (maybe just the boys) across the fingers with a yardstick. Then she found her watch, which she had just misplaced. I showed my mother the bruises, but she said I must have done something wrong. It was all very depressing and made me skeptical of the church. Also got my head smacked into a cinderblock wall by that nun, and watched her push over a kid in his desk, scatter his books, and kick him.

Went to Notre Dame as well, freshman and sophomore years. The priest in charge of my dorm would also hit us for no clear reason, maybe just intimidation, typically a hard slap on the side of the head. And lots of the monks there were clearly faggots, which was disquieting.

I don't go to church anymore. Recent church architecture is all shit, and nothing about the mass is inspiring now. But sometimes I'll go to the Latin Christmas mass at St. Thomas in Palo Alto, just because it's in Latin and it's a nice old church.

One thing the Jews did right is to keep all prayers in Hebrew. Using an ancient language adds a lot to the weight of prayers somehow. Recent synagogue architecture is all shit as well though. I visited Congregation Emanu-El in SF with a Jewish friend once, and the building is nice, but the service was so far left I was gagging. Female rabbi, bongo players, nothing traditional except for the prayers and the old building. Anyway, it's a club I don't really belong to and they can tell just by looking at me.

When I was in Poland recently, I went with my relatives to the church in Tuliszkow, where people were chanting the rosary in Polish. After a while, it's very hypnotic and pleasant. There is still a lot of deep faith in Poland, but the rest of Europe seems to want to destroy that and dilute the population.

Consider Anglicanism. There are Conservative Denoms. I prefer Low Church but big on the explanations. Some like the smells n' bells. Whatever gets you closer to Jesus.

My Irish half just couldn't do that.

Eastern Orthodox sounds interesting though.

"It's in god's hands now."
Tick, tock, tick, tock.

Patrick says

I went to Catholic school in Chicagoland in 3rd grade. My teacher was a nun who hit the students frequently, often for vague reasons. Once she lost her watch and wanted to know who stole it. No one confessed, so she whacked each kid (maybe just the boys) across the fingers with a yardstick. Then she found her watch, which she had just misplaced. I showed my mother the bruises, but she said I must have done something wrong. It was all very depressing and made me skeptical of the church. Also got my head smacked into a cinderblock wall by that nun, and watched her push over a kid in his desk, scatter his books, and kick him.

Went to Notre Dame as well, freshman and sophomore years. The priest in charge of my dorm would also hit us for no clear reason, maybe just intimidation, typically a hard slap on the side of the head. And lots of the monks there were clearly faggots, which was disquieting.

Father of my nephew (my sister married some other guy) was molested in a Catholic church in Petaluma. He sued and won a million in the 90s. A kid I used to sneak out into the woods to go hiking with after children's mass instead of going to Sunday school was molested by some creepy guy. He always looked like a super slime ball to me so I avoided him. I heard about it in college when I bumped into the grown up kid. He too was in some sort of law suit over it.

For that and other reasons, like being a biologist, I quit going to that stuff. My mom is still a religious zealot though. Gets neurotic sometimes I don't even got to midnight mass on xmas with she and some of the other family.

Well, walking down memory lane with the Catholic upbringing. In sixth grade, the demonic nun picked one kid that I think she wanted to drive to suicide. He got no breaks, constant humiliating, sadistic criticisms in front of the class, and a squadron of girl spies in his neighborhood reporting his every move when he wasn't in school. She would give him bizarre lectures for 30 minutes at a time, like he was her totem for her own self loathing.

When I was in football in junior high, one Brother who was especially pent up with the chastity stuff I would guess, was assistant coach and liked to just beat up a random guy from time to time. There was one meatball guy in my class named Collins, and the Brother pushed him to the ground and literally stomped him with cleats on. Collins was wearing pads, so the Brother mostly just kicked the pads, but it was kind of funny at the time. Then, he made Collins take me on his back and run a hundred yards.

I was a nerd and spent time in the darkroom developing school photos. I heard another gay Brother keep a kid in detention next door and in retrospect I realized from listening to them he was grooming him. Good thing they didn't know I could hear through the wall. When I came back to Cali as an adult much later, I checked the school on the internet just out of curiosity and they had had a sex scandal with the kids and a financial settlement. The school is still in operation.

They had an obituary of graduates, and I was surprised at how many of the guys at that school listed died at young ages.

Patrick says

My teacher was a nun who hit the students frequently, often for vague reasons.

I only did pre-k and Kindergarten at a Catholic school. Did I get whacked, yup. Did I do stupid stuff at a very young age, yup. It turned me off from the church. It was like everywhere I went the church was hitting and my dad was.

That's not "holy" in my world. It's shitty. The Catholic church probably loses 50-60% of kids early on. The way they treat kids probably loses them $100M-1B of donations a year as they grow older and leave the church. I don't know if it's still a common practice but it was an awful practice and a reason I think religion is bull shit. It's a control mechanism. Tax free money mechanism.

Can't believe I'm going to say this but religion is more corrupt than government. There's literally no oversight in religious institutions. Government you can at least FOIA stuff and look at the bills passed and most money spent. Religion, nothing. At least government doesn't physically rape/molest you either.

Ceffer says

Well, walking down memory lane with the Catholic upbringing.

Cray cray! Wasn't there a scandal maybe a decade ago in Philadelphia where over 200 Catholic priests got caught child molesting? I remember some women I work with talking about it sort of. Maybe further back around 2002? If I recall the government sort of swept it under the rug or it was pushed out of the media with some sort of statement like, "The church will handle it".

PatGPT:

The Archdiocese of Philadelphia has faced significant scrutiny over child sexual abuse cases involving priests. In August 2023, the archdiocese settled a case against a deceased priest, Monsignor John Close, for $3.5 million, acknowledging that they knew of similar reports about Close dating back to the 1970s. The plaintiff, a 14-year-old boy, was sexually assaulted by Close in 2006, and the case was reported in 2018.

Additionally, a 2018 grand jury report found that hundreds of Roman Catholic priests in Pennsylvania had molested more than 1,000 children since the 1940s, with senior church officials systematically covering up the abuse.
The Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests urged other victims to come forward and seek support, emphasizing the need to create a safer environment for children and ensure the prosecution of criminals.

In a broader context, the Catholic Church has faced widespread allegations of child sexual abuse by clergy members across the globe, with cases spanning several decades and often involving repeated abuse.
Efforts to address these issues have included apologies from Church authorities, investigations, and changes in Church laws to explicitly criminalize sexual abuse.

The Archdiocese of Philadelphia has been criticized for not disclosing the names of all clergy members accused of child sexual abuse, including 45 priests whose names were not included on their list of credibly accused priests.
The archdiocese defended its decision, stating that some priests were excluded because their conduct did not rise to the level of abuse, although a review board deemed them unsuitable for ministry.

These cases highlight ongoing concerns about the Church's handling of sexual abuse allegations and its efforts to protect victims and prevent future abuse.

I really don't know much about it but I think from what I've heard, the last pope, the guy who stepped down and was something like the 1st to do so in 800 years wasn't a bad guy.

Maga_Chaos_Monkey says

I really don't know much about it but I think from what I've heard, the last pope, the guy who stepped down and was something like the 1st to do so in 800 years wasn't a bad guy.

By default they all are bad guys. You don't know what you don't know. They have trillions in real estate, yes trillions. Bring in hundreds of billions annually and pay no taxes on it. Or the property.

The church is a "moral" mafia. That includes all religions, so not just picking on Catholics.

I hear ya but didn't he try to push back on a lot of that shitte? Truly drop out due to the corruption? I really don't know. I just stay away from those fuckers and don't give them any more $.

I went to private schools my whole life and never had any experiences with abuse. In high school I mostly experienced sexually aggressive girls. It was a religious school and premarital sex is a BIG no-no so, the girls resorted to giving blowjobs.

I don't have a problem with Christians and actually prefer them to other religious people except perhaps Buddhists - maybe. I don't know enough about that. I'm totally okay that they have whatever beliefs they have so long as they are okay with mine. Not all of them are. In fact 2 of my family members and I don't get along well on this topic so I try not to bring it up.

My main issue is with management. To me that is sort of self-evident that it's not a real thing though.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pope-francis-died-vatican-camerlengo-075727844.html

Looks like he had information that would have led to the arrest of Hillary Clinton.

I don't get why he wouldn't have dropped out knowing he was near death. I swear they do it to stir up donations/tithing/attention. He knew he was dying.

zzyzzx says

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pope-francis-died-vatican-camerlengo-075727844.html

Looks like he had information that would have led to the arrest of Hillary Clinton.

I shouldn't have laughed... But I did.

Love him or hate him, his time here on Earth has concluded. I pray that Jesus judges him justly, but with mercy and compassion.

Trump: "You either appoint a US Pope or you will have 200% tariffs the next morning. Kiss my ass!"

Oh, no! All those fake relics and 'splinters of the true cross' are going up 200 percent!

He's been dead for a few years now with the last couple of years being the customary game of shadows impersonations. To what end, who fucking knows. He's run by the Black Nobility and the P2/P3 Masons anyway.

Pope died on Easter. A fake death on an occult day. Standard operating procedure for the demons. Breaking 8's is a shattering of the mirrors that divide our world from the occult dimensions.

WookieMan says

I don't get why he wouldn't have dropped out knowing he was near death. I swear they do it to stir up donations/tithing/attention. He knew he was dying.

Yeah, he looked in real bad shape when meeting Vice President Vance. And some of the mainstream media claimed he kept that meeting short in order to snub Vance and the Trump administration, not because of his health.

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John Paul II was the last great Pope.

Just after zombie day.