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2025 Feb 27, 9:20pm   3,561 views  227 comments

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Trump negotiated with the Prime Minister of Canada and the President of Mexico for them to assist in cracking down on Fentanyl entering the US. He postponed the 25% tariffs on goods entering the US from these countries for a month.

In Canada the government with its controlled media, whipped up Canadians into an anti-American frenzy. They pushed not buying US products, booed the US national anthem and even had its hockey team attack the US team. Nothing happened to deter the Fentanyl. Whay do you think is going to happen now that the month is up ????

In Mexico, there was a push for cartel friendly laws and a prohibition on using GMO corn (an American product). What the fuck do you think is going to happen ???

Their respective currencies are going to look like toilet paper and that's just the start.

For China. They didn't do anything about the Fentanyl, so they get an extra 10% tariff with the thought of more to come if they don't get a move on.

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132   AD   2025 Apr 9, 1:31pm  

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https://seekingalpha.com/news/4429839-amazon-pulls-the-plug-on-china-orders-leaving-vendors-in-the-lurch

Amazon is cancelling orders from China. So China exports to Vietnam and other nearby countries who then repackage the Chinese made goods to be sold to USA ?

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133   ElYorsh   2025 Apr 9, 2:00pm  

Companies have been moving factories from China to Vietnam piece by piece since Trump 1.0.
134   AD   2025 Apr 9, 2:07pm  

ElYorsh says

Companies have been moving factories from China to Vietnam piece by piece since Trump 1.0.


Vietnam is just a front for Chinese made goods.

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135   AD   2025 Apr 9, 2:08pm  

AmericanKulak says

“WTF just happened?” — China

I'll bet two things happened:
A. Countries were begging for time
B. China was trying to create a "Coalition" to pressure Trump.


Read how the Chicoms are obstructing the establishment of Apple factories in India.

The Chicoms will find other ways besides exporting goods to Vietnam who then turns around and sells them to USA.

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136   AmericanKulak   2025 Apr 9, 2:31pm  

Saw a Bush China Center spox ranting about tariffs.

The Bush-China Center receives 90% of it's funding from the CCP-run China-US Exchange Council.

It's literally a Communist-funded institution.
138   RC2006   2025 Apr 9, 4:58pm  

Even Nancy was on the right page at one time.
1996

https://youtu.be/CAyricurDKg?si=0hM3kgsVbS2jHfIv
139   AmericanKulak   2025 Apr 9, 5:22pm  




19th Best day in DJIA history, thanks to TRUMP!
140   Patrick   2025 Apr 9, 5:57pm  

Ah, I didn't hear it was paused only for countries that didn't retaliate, but that seems to be true:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14589357/trump-90-day-tariff-pause-plan-china.html


The president said: 'I did a 90 day pause for the people that didn't retaliate, because they told them, if you retaliate, we're going to double it. And that's what I did with China, because they did retaliate. So we'll see how it all works out. I think it's going to work out amazing.'
141   clambo   2025 Apr 9, 6:49pm  

Doesn't it remind you of when Lucy would snatch football away just as Charlie Brown wanted to kick it?
142   zzyzzx   2025 Apr 10, 6:43am  

RWSGFY says

rebuilding our lost industrial base will take years


Maybe 2 at the most, if you are actually trying. I used to design and build electric power plants. It's been done before in around 18 months. In this particular case the contractor did get a bonus for early completion and stuff. They were doing things like pitching a tent over the jobsite and heating it to 50 degrees in the winter so construction could continue.
143   WookieMan   2025 Apr 10, 7:01am  

zzyzzx says

They were doing things like pitching a tent over the jobsite and heating it to 50 degrees in the winter so construction could continue.

We literally just did this on the house in 20ºF temps to pour the foundation. If you're in an industrial area, you can also build 24/7 if needed. Anything manufacturing will be in these zones.

Regulations are the bitch. So the states with the least will get the most new jobs/builds. A 100k sq. ft structure can be built in 1-2 months now. I think people watch too many Peter Zeihan videos as every thing will take a decade to build out.

I drive towards Chicago maybe once a month and boom, there's a new massive warehouse that could be a manufacturing plant. Equipment I don't know about with regards to supply chain, but it's not hard to build in the right places. So equipment and employees is the only hurdle and as you say that could easily be done in 18 months.
144   Eric Holder   2025 Apr 10, 8:26am  

Anyone who thinks complex manufacturing can be moved stateside in weeks should look at how the objectively the most fast-moving and efficient of all modern industrialst did that:

Tesla's Gigafactory in Texas, also known as Giga Texas, took approximately 21 months to complete its construction. The process began in July 2020, and the factory officially opened with the "Cyber Rodeo" event on April 7, 2022


Reality is a bitch.
145   AmericanKulak   2025 Apr 10, 4:43pm  

Eric Holder says


Anyone who thinks complex manufacturing can be moved stateside in weeks should look at how the objectively the most fast-moving and efficient of all modern industrialst did that:

Nobody thinks that. But we're not postponing the end of the disastrous import-dependent economy we've have for over 30 years. That's ending, period.

The reality was the shift to Globaloney and mass importing created the most unstable, anemic growth in US History.
146   WookieMan   2025 Apr 10, 7:01pm  

AmericanKulak says

Eric Holder says



Anyone who thinks complex manufacturing can be moved stateside in weeks should look at how the objectively the most fast-moving and efficient of all modern industrialst did that:

Nobody thinks that. But we're not postponing the end of the disastrous import-dependent economy we've have for over 30 years. That's ending, period.

The reality was the shift to Globaloney and mass importing created the most unstable, anemic growth in US History.

It can be done in a year. Stop believing dip shits that think they know geopolitics. Building something is exponentially different than creating something and has nothing to do with geography.
147   AmericanKulak   2025 Apr 10, 7:14pm  

WookieMan says


It can be done in a year. Stop believing dip shits that think they know geopolitics. Building something is exponentially different than creating something and has nothing to do with geography.

Correct. WW2 is one illustration. How modern plants move FROM the US and built a plant rapidly in the THIRD WORLD in about a year is another example.
148   WookieMan   2025 Apr 11, 5:05am  

AmericanKulak says

WookieMan says

It can be done in a year. Stop believing dip shits that think they know geopolitics. Building something is exponentially different than creating something and has nothing to do with geography.

Correct. WW2 is one illustration. How modern plants move FROM the US and built a plant rapidly in the THIRD WORLD in about a year is another example.

I actually liked Peter Ziehan at first. But when you watch it everything is a fucking decade. Industrial build out. People listen to this shit. "OMG it's going to take a decade to fix this." You can build any factory under a years time. Trump knows this. He's built things. Peter and Congress haven't. We have lazy idiots in government and media that have no fucking clue about anything. Then regulate the shit out of it.
149   RWSGFY   2025 Apr 11, 6:56am  

AmericanKulak says


Eric Holder says


Anyone who thinks complex manufacturing can be moved stateside in weeks should look at how the objectively the most fast-moving and efficient of all modern industrialst did that:

Nobody thinks that. But we're not postponing the end of the disastrous import-dependent economy we've have for over 30 years. That's ending, period.



So we should've done it gradually, building up domestic manufacturing over several years and reducing imports as new plants come online.

With this immediate 145% tariff idiocy we'll have to deal with massive price inflation and/or shortages. Basically the same shit we endured during the coofdemic.

There are many ways to skin a cat and this particular one makes no sense to me.
150   Robert Sproul   2025 Apr 11, 7:16am  

RWSGFY says

building up domestic manufacturing over several years

Trump doesn't even consider 'gradually', he doesn't have several years.
Also he has seen that anything that takes that long is easily derailed.
151   RWSGFY   2025 Apr 11, 7:34am  

Robert Sproul says


RWSGFY says


building up domestic manufacturing over several years

Trump doesn't even consider 'gradually', he doesn't have several years.
Also he has seen that anything that takes that long is easily derailed.



He has 4 years. (Or had if this shit causes deep recession and the demon rats take the Congress in midterms. Then it will be impeachment hearings 24x7x365 🤡 for the rest of his term).

Also to make shit less derailable it needs to be encoded in laws, not EOs. Look at Obamacare: Donnie has wanted to derail it since 2016 but failed. EOs are fleeting, laws are sticky.
152   Patrick   2025 Apr 11, 9:57am  

https://remnantchronicles.substack.com/p/trump-tariffs-and-trade-offs


The truth of the matter is that decades of open borders policy – for both people and goods – coupled with the benefit of a money printer, have not only put countless American companies out of business and destroyed countless American jobs: they have predictably hollowed out the very core of American culture. Import the Third World – and its cheap goods – get the Third World.

The American nation is sick, poisoned by a cabal of moochers and looters, and to recover what it needs is not positive quarter results for its biggest corporations, but a detox. A real hardcore reset, that will necessarily feel uncomfortable; but is the only way for the American genius to flourish once again.

Often, maintaining civilization requires sacrificing profit and economic efficiencies, and putting the (really) long term before the short and medium term. It is about putting the ethereal and spiritual before the material. Cathedrals were never economic decisions: that’s why their eternal beauty still fascinates us. They were not meant to earn a return for investment, but to make the whole city wealthier – in the true sense of the word – not richer.

We’ve let the merchants and money people lead us for a long time – and yes, initially that resulted in economic growth and even, for a time, cultural greatness. But we paid a price for that. We got rich, but we became shallow. In time the traders, moochers and looters carved out a permanent position at the top for themselves and structured our great Western Civilisation around growth, gains and GDP.

It’s time to take back the reins and put Beauty, Culture and Nation first.
153   AmericanKulak   2025 Apr 11, 10:11am  

The spiritual effect of Third Worlders bringing in their anti-Western Colonial gripes in YUGE numbers, coupled with Academia's Critical Race Theory. They gotta go back.
154   socal2   2025 Apr 11, 1:03pm  

RWSGFY says

There are many ways to skin a cat and this particular one makes no sense to me.


No one has ever even TRIED to skin the cat. Just constant lip service from both Republicans and Democrats.

I am personally willing to give Trumpworld some more time and grace over the next month to see what they can negotiate. I have probably felt more pain in my line of work this past week on tariffs than most here at Patnet. We have over $10 million in new orders for infrastructure jobs that are now in limbo and having to be re-bid or even re-designed based on the huge increase in prices from the equipment we manufacture in Europe due to the 10% tariff.
156   stereotomy   2025 Apr 11, 1:58pm  

Booger says





Even if it's fake, I love the concept.
157   WookieMan   2025 Apr 11, 4:21pm  

socal2 says

We have over $10 million in new orders for infrastructure jobs that are now in limbo and having to be re-bid or even re-designed based on the huge increase in prices from the equipment we manufacture in Europe due to the 10% tariff.

Why manufacture it in Europe? I get you probably don't have control over that yourself, but that seems stupid if being honest. Forget Trump, your company could have been tariffed 100% back in December regardless of administration.

We're setting our country up for failure at the whim of other countries that basically have no GDP or influence in the world. Your name is Socal2. You live in CA. What would be the 5th largest COUNTRY on the planet as a state. US is #1. I don't know who 2-4 is. Probably China, Russia and Germany.

Globalism did not work for the US and won't. We're unwinding that now.
158   socal2   2025 Apr 11, 5:02pm  

WookieMan says

Why manufacture it in Europe? I get you probably don't have control over that yourself, but that seems stupid if being honest. Forget Trump, your company could have been tariffed 100% back in December regardless of administration.


Because it is the world's leading technology for this segment that has been around 120 years working out of the same factory. Huge foundry and state of the art facility upgraded over decades, with special metallurgy process that none of our major competitors (European and Chinese) can manage to copy. All of our engineering and IP is there too.

It would be like asking why doesn't Ferrari move its factory to the US.
159   WookieMan   2025 Apr 11, 5:17pm  

socal2 says

It would be like asking why doesn't Ferrari move its factory to the US.

They could though. There's nothing overly complicated for anything produced. One good engineer can figure it out. The dumb ass Chinese do it every day and they're morons. Argument doesn't hold water.
160   RWSGFY   2025 Apr 11, 5:27pm  

socal2 says

RWSGFY says


There are many ways to skin a cat and this particular one makes no sense to me.


No one has ever even TRIED to skin the cat. Just constant lip service from both Republicans and Democrats.

I am personally willing to give Trumpworld some more time and grace over the next month to see what they can negotiate. I have probably felt more pain in my line of work this past week on tariffs than most here at Patnet. We have over $10 million in new orders for infrastructure jobs that are now in limbo and having to be re-bid or even re-designed based on the huge increase in prices from the equipment we manufacture in Europe due to the 10% tariff.


Pfft, you should've opened your own manufacturing facility in the US last week and not have this problem anymore. Just pretend it's WW2 and everything will happen in days instead of years. 🤡
161   HeadSet   2025 Apr 12, 6:31am  

socal2 says

why doesn't Ferrari move its factory to the US.

And anger Ford? That did not work out so well the last time.
162   Fortwaye   2025 Apr 12, 7:38am  

Trump already added exemptions to bunch of industries. it's over, they don't have a reason to bring any jobs to US anymore.
163   AmericanKulak   2025 Apr 12, 10:14am  

RWSGFY says


With this immediate 145% tariff idiocy we'll have to deal with massive price inflation and/or shortages. Basically the same shit we endured during the coofdemic.

It'll terminate pricing power more likely. China (and US Outsourcers) will need to make up on volume what they're losing in Tariff expenses.

Again, the Tariff is NOT on the Retail Price. It's what on companies charge themselves for the cost of goods, which is usually a lot lower. An iPhone is probably $100-$200 maximum FOB Long Beach/LAX when imported by Apple. Not +$1000 at the store.
164   AmericanKulak   2025 Apr 12, 10:18am  

"Tariffs are bad" - Canada, EU, China with big fat tariffs and NTTB on what we're good at (but 0 on things we don't make or make much of, so the 'average tariff rate' looks falsely low, but it's skyhigh on Dairy, Chicken, etc). And definitely on each other.
165   RWSGFY   2025 Apr 12, 4:24pm  

Aaaand iPhones are exempt from the idiotic 145% levy as of late Friday.

As well as chips, screens and server components.

🤡 world.

But it's good that sanity starts to prevail.

PS. This stupidly botched tariff roll-out is Donnie'e equivalent of Bidet's Afghanistan withdrawal (albeit based on Donnie's "deal"). He's a lame duck now, just like Bidet became on 08/30/2021.
166   AD   2025 Apr 12, 4:39pm  

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Who does this help the most ?

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/12/trump-exempts-phones-computers-chips-tariffs-apple-dell.html

I would put Apple on top of the list, and its stock will likely increase this week. IPhone accounts or around 65% of Apple sales.

Google Play, electronics and hardware sales account for $40 billion (out of a total of $348 billion) in 2024 for Google.

So it should not have much of an impact on Google stock price, though Google Pixel phones are about 6 to 8% of smart phones in the world.

I don't think the recent tariff news played in much on Google as far as Chromebook sales. I saw at Walmart and Amazon that Chromebook prices were still cheap, and also the ONN Android tablets were still cheap at Walmart.

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167   EBGuy   2025 Apr 12, 5:21pm  

Probably the best video primer on the topic
Why Trump's tariff chaos actually makes sense (big picture)



Here's a third party who posted it to Rumble

original link
168   AmericanKulak   2025 Apr 12, 5:35pm  

RWSGFY says

Aaaand iPhones are exempt from the idiotic 145% levy as of late Friday.

Sure. We don't have the infrastructure in place for now.

What was great was the end of the de minimus onslaught of cheap Shein crap.
169   AmericanKulak   2025 Apr 12, 5:37pm  

RWSGFY says


Pfft, you should've opened your own manufacturing facility in the US last week and not have this problem anymore. Just pretend it's WW2 and everything will happen in days instead of years. 🤡

Ford and GM open plants in third world countries in months.

Time to end anemic GDP growth rates. Free Trade demonstrably failed to enhance the general welfare.

The chalkboard theory is inferior to empirical reality. Economists are Vegans of Social Science, wrong but still at it. They are notorious for missing massive swings and changes until after the fact.

No more Panican Americant
171   RWSGFY   2025 Apr 12, 7:07pm  




Should not be taken literally, of course, but rather as a methaphor for the BBT.

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