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Big Beautiful Tariffs


               
2025 Feb 27, 9:20pm   19,869 views  384 comments

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Trump negotiated with the Prime Minister of Canada and the President of Mexico for them to assist in cracking down on Fentanyl entering the US. He postponed the 25% tariffs on goods entering the US from these countries for a month.

In Canada the government with its controlled media, whipped up Canadians into an anti-American frenzy. They pushed not buying US products, booed the US national anthem and even had its hockey team attack the US team. Nothing happened to deter the Fentanyl. Whay do you think is going to happen now that the month is up ????

In Mexico, there was a push for cartel friendly laws and a prohibition on using GMO corn (an American product). What the fuck do you think is going to happen ???

Their respective currencies are going to look like toilet paper and that's just the start.

For China. They didn't do anything about the Fentanyl, so they get an extra 10% tariff with the thought of more to come if they don't get a move on.

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318   MolotovCocktail   2025 Jul 24, 2:02pm  

stereotomy says

Hopefully, the same thing won't happen to Japan as it did to Mexico after NAFTA. Campesinos who had worked ancestral fields for centuries to raise unique corn varieties were bankrupted, and a vast swath of the genetic diversity of corn (which was first cultivated by the ancestors of the Mayas) was lost.

Good, artisanal corn, grown for flavor and nutrition, is infinitely superior to the agro-industrial shite that we get in grocery stores. Masa, made with that corn and lye to release nutrients, sustained Mesoamerican civilizations for thousands of years (along with the other two sisters - beans and squash).


I don't think the Japanese grow/eat any of those crops.
319   RWSGFY   2025 Jul 24, 2:30pm  

HeadSet says


RWSGFY says


There was no tariff on US cars in Japan.

No need. American cars would have to be right hand drive to sell in Japan. Not sure the tooling required to manufacture right hand drive is worth it for that market.



So the Japanese car market won't open for the US manufacturers because they don't want it in the first place? Does Donnie even know he fights an unnecessary and futile fight for unappreciative supposed beneficiaries?

PS. Chrysler makes RHD Jeeps for the US market. They are intended for rural mail carriers.
320   Misc   2025 Jul 27, 10:00am  

Trump is finally dumbing down on who his tariffs benefit. He is proposing to give rebate checks to everyone based on the amount of tariffs collected. He is also proposing an income cap on getting those checks.

This way the mainstream media can't say....but but but inflation...prices are higher but people will get that rebate check to cover the higher price IF and that's a BIG IF they wanna buy that foreign made crap.

Also, this shows clearly that Trump economic policy benefits the lower income folks.
321   Misc   2025 Jul 27, 10:52am  

More winning ! ! ! !

Trade deal with the EU. The EU gets a 15% tariff rate on imports to the US (excluding the higher steel/aluminum). They agree to purchase $750 billion in US energy exports, The EU also agrees to invest an additional $600 billion in the US on top of what they were already doing.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/27/business/trump-us-eu-trade-deal
322   DemoralizerOfPanicans   2025 Jul 27, 10:55am  

RWSGFY says

PS. Chrysler makes RHD Jeeps for the US market. They are intended for rural mail carriers.

Bizarrely, they make many Jeep vehicles for sale in the USA... in Italy.
324   HeadSet   2025 Jul 27, 7:16pm  

RWSGFY says

Chrysler makes RHD Jeeps for the US market. They are intended for rural mail carriers.

Yes, but selling specialty products to a government willing to overpay is different than marketing a competitively priced product.
325   DemoralizerOfPanicans   2025 Jul 28, 9:39am  

Pay attention, Austrian Economists: Reality trumped the Chalkboard. Tariffs worked, the consumer largely avoided them, and the outsourcers ate the cost.

326   DemoralizerOfPanicans   2025 Jul 28, 9:46am  

If Europeans were paying attention (or being told the truth), they should be beyond appalled by this "deal": https://bbc.com/news/articles/cx2xylk3d07o

It's nothing more than one of the most expensive imperial tributes in history. Just a massive one-way transfer of wealth with no reciprocal benefits

The "deal" is:
- The EU now gets charged 15% tariffs on its exports to the US when they commit to charging zero tariffs on US imports in the EU
- The EU agrees to invest $600 billion in the US, for no other obvious reason than pleasing "daddy"
- The EU will "purchase hundreds of billions of dollars of American military equipment"
- The EU commits to buying 750 billion dollars worth of very expensive US LNG, specifically $250 billion for each of the next 3 years

In exchange for all these concessions and extraction of their wealth they get... nothing. I'm not even exaggerating, that IS the deal: the EU gets nothing.

This does not even remotely ressemble the type of agreements made by two equal sovereign powers. It rather looks like the type of unequal treaties that colonial powers used to impose in the 19th century - except this time, Europe is on the receiving end.

More worryingly, this sets a dynamic and a precedent: what do you think happens next from here? In the 19th century, were colonial powers content with their first unequal treaty? Of course not - one of the key rules of geopolitics is that weakness only encourages further exploitation.

Again, this is Europe's century of humiliation.

https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1949578088712712651

Kiss ma Converse, sucka! Bow down to the Mastah!



(EDIT: Added Blockquotes for clarity, I'm quoting a EuroLoser)
327   Bd6r   2025 Jul 28, 10:27am  

Europe should not have destroyed their economy with green deal crap and disbanded their armies hoping that Daddy will protect them. Then they would have a chance to negotiate.

As of now, their hope is that Trump goes away in 3.5 years.
328   HeadSet   2025 Jul 28, 5:13pm  

PanicanDemoralizer says

It's nothing more than one of the most expensive imperial tributes in history.

What did you call it when the US paid for all those bases in Europe while the Euros barely spend on their own defense and tariffed or outright banned US products?
329   stereotomy   2025 Jul 28, 5:43pm  

The US saved Europe's collective ass in WWI and WWII, not to mention the Marshal Plan post WWII. Now, over a half a century later, we're asking for payback and that's a bad thing?

Boo fucking hoo to the eurotrash. They wasted the opportunity the US gave them by importing rapefugees and destroying their own countries.
330   mell   2025 Jul 28, 6:11pm  

stereotomy says


The US saved Europe's collective ass in WWI and WWII, not to mention the Marshal Plan post WWII. Now, over a half a century later, we're asking for payback and that's a bad thing?

Boo fucking hoo to the eurotrash. They wasted the opportunity the US gave them by importing rapefugees and destroying their own countries.

It's naive to think the EU politics occurred in a vacuum. A lot of the mass immigration was directed by the US as they didn't want all the rapefugees the US created by participating in yet another war far outside their backyard. Obummer and most other recent US presidents presided over pressuring the EU into taking rapefugees.

Trump is actually good for Europe, which has enough talent and resources to deal with conflicts themselves. Conservative leaders across the EU are gaining steam and it is no longer frowned upon rejecting rapefugees at the border. Now they just need to resume business with Russia and thrive.

Most conservative European leaders want that and now that xiden is gone there is a good opening without the US boorishly blowing up any more oil pipelines. It's all good, time for them to grow a backbone and install potent, business oriented leaders
331   HeadSet   2025 Jul 28, 6:30pm  

mell says

time for them to grow a backbone and install potent, business oriented leaders

To do that, they will have to expel all the grifters.
332   DemoralizerOfPanicans   2025 Jul 28, 6:38pm  

HeadSet says

What did you call it when the US paid for all those bases in Europe while the Euros barely spend on their own defense and tariffed or outright banned US products?

I'm just quoting some EuroToad.

I call it "Losing Big Time" and "We don't win in trade". Now we're winning. Charging big league for access to the world's biggest single nation market.
333   mell   2025 Jul 28, 6:55pm  

HeadSet says


mell says


time for them to grow a backbone and install potent, business oriented leaders

To do that, they will have to expel all the grifters.


True, the AFD is about to overtake all and become the strongest party in Germany, and I think it's too late for the euro marxists to ban them without risking civil unrest. Britain is at the cusp of civil unrest and maybe Farage can pull of a big win next time. We all know France almost voted LePen in, so it's happening. Let's keep the faith.
334   MolotovCocktail   2025 Jul 29, 2:42pm  

US Consumer Imports




335   HeadSet   2025 Jul 29, 3:25pm  

MolotovCocktail says





Love the stylized 1970 Olds Toronado.
336   MolotovCocktail   2025 Jul 29, 5:57pm  





notes author Batya Ungar-Sargon. “Democrats can't figure out how to talk about immigration in a way Americans want to hear,” she said in a new podcast with Public. “They haven't figured it out yet. Most working-class people want no more immigration and much more access to healthcare. You say you think that they might be able to make it there, to accept that Trump was right about some things. I don't see any evidence of that.”


“Democrats and the liberal media hate Trump so much they’ve committed to this view that tariffs are bad and attacks on consumers,” said Ungar-Sargon. “Both of those are wrong. It's not a tax on consumers. With most of these products, the tariffs are not being passed on to consumers. They're either being eaten by the countries or by corporations, which — Hello! — Leftists are supposed to like. They are refusing to acknowledge that we are raising billions of dollars through these tariffs, which are being used directly to pay down our deficit. We were in a surplus as a government for the first time in decades last month.”



https://open.substack.com/pub/public/p/batya-ungar-sargon-its-the-most-amazing
337   DemoralizerOfPanicans   2025 Jul 30, 7:30pm  

Net Exports from the USA Grew almost 5%!



Austrian Economists insist: "Reality is inferior to our a priori theory"
338   Patrick   2025 Aug 1, 8:58am  

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/thinkable-friday-august-1-2025-c


Trump sprinted into office with a singular goal: America first. What is now obvious is that he meant it, literally; since America is the world’s economic engine, America —i.e. Main Street— should collect the benefits. It’s not a secret or a joke. He’s said it over and over, but the experts just rolled their eyes and thought, more bluster.

But he’s not blustering. He’s actually doing it. ...

Trump isn’t just killing a sacred cow or two. He’s not even culling the herd. He declared war on sacred cows and started blasting away before the ink was dry on the war’s declaration. The list of vested interests on which Trump is trampling is too long to possibly number. Think multinational corporations (Nike, Apple, Pfizer), billionaire donors (Soros, Gates, Buffett), federal politicians, state and local party bosses, and Wall Street— and that’s without delving into well-connected London banksters, influential oligarchs, foreign multinationals, and allied governments. ...

But after global communism’s dusty collapse in the late ’80s —when the Cold War ended and America stood alone as the unchallenged superpower— the chessboard was reset. For the first time in history, the U.S. could have demanded favorable terms from every other country on Earth including, and especially, Russia and China. ...

It sets new tariffs on over 60 countries, with threats extending to dozens more, and a default minumum 10% tariff on every country not mentioned. Rates range from 10% to 50%, with the first round taking effect at 12:01 a.m. on August 7th (next week). ...

President Trump walked into the carefully maintained international parlor, looked around at the antique furnishings and marble fixtures, and started swinging a baseball bat. No postwar president has ever tried to break up the concretized global interests because doing so requires a kind of fearlessness verging on insanity.

He’s not worried about donors drying up. He’s not worried about savage media attacks. He’s not worried about reverse trade wars. He’s not worried about Congress going sideways. He’s not worried about a stock market collapse. He’s not worried about the military-industrial complex or the deep state. There are a million ways this could go terribly wrong for Trump, but he doesn’t care.

Why isn’t he worried? Maybe it’s because he’s already endured everything they could possibly throw at him. They impeached him twice. They indicted him 34 times. They raided his home, gagged him in court, canceled him, deplatformed him, demonized him, and declared him disqualified.

In other words, every institution that should’ve been able to stop him has already tried and failed. He’s still here— and stronger than ever. ...

The elites are angry because he’s not telling them what he’s doing. He’s just doing it.

Soon, people will start asking, if it was so easy, why didn’t anyone do this before?
339   MolotovCocktail   2025 Aug 1, 11:59am  

Patrick says

Soon, people will start asking, if it was so easy, why didn’t anyone do this before?


Because previous POTUSes where either members of the elite or wannabe creatures of them (every Dem POTUS from Clinton forward were wannabes who were dirt poors).
341   stereotomy   2025 Aug 3, 2:18pm  

Patrick says


The elites are angry because he’s not telling them what he’s doing. He’s just doing it.

As Christ turned over tables and beat the money changers for defiling the Temple.

No, Trump is emphatically not Christ, but he displays that outrage. Why give sweetheart deals to enrich the few to the detriment of the many? Especially when than many, given the chance subject to their ability, could succeed on their own terms?

The Ivy League has become a gatekeeper. More important than ability, it is the vehement adherence to libtard indoctrination that is the ultimate test (as well as perhaps bloodlines) that deems one worthy to join the elite.

I'm basically white trash, and I'll never adopt "their" views. While I wait, I sharpen my pitchfork and I tar my torch.
342   Patrick   2025 Aug 3, 10:16pm  

MolotovCocktail says





She's holding it wrong, but I forgive her.
343   stereotomy   2025 Aug 3, 10:42pm  

Patrick says


MolotovCocktail says






She's holding it wrong, but I forgive her.


She shoots that and the recoil will cause the shotgun to fly under her arm so that the barrel will smash her face. I wouldn't forgive her for being so stupid as to destroy her good looks. Cheek to the stock, bitches!
344   AD   2025 Aug 4, 12:33am  

MolotovCocktail says

https://wolfstreet.com/2025/08/02/tariff-cash-is-rolling-in-hits-28-billion-in-july/


Its one big linear programming or optimization effort with many interdependent variables, so we'll see if there is at least somewhat strong economic growth and that the FY 2025 deficit is no more than equal to FY 2024 when adjusting for inflation.

The labor market has been loosening, and going back on 2022 the economy has been downshifting some.

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345   MolotovCocktail   2025 Aug 4, 9:11am  




1) 70% of income tax receipts come from the top 10% Makers. Bottom 50% of Makers don't pay any income tax. So, this plan is doable in general. It will also positively offset whatever costs on consumers tariffs do impose.

2) Devil is in the details, tho. What about business income taxation? Why not slash payroll taxes instead of income taxes first? What happens when tariff revenues go down as domestic manufacturing goes up?

3) The real brilliance of this is that it permantizes tariffs. No Democrats will be able to abolish them easily w/o assfucking the middle class again. Poison Pill.

4) Bad news: many states like California but even some red states will raise their income taxes to take advantage of the situation. To avoid this, whatever bill gets passed would also require have to require a formula to cut overall federal funding to states that do this. Yup. That includes farm supports and highway funding. Possibly even entitlements for ppl living in those states.

5) Uniparty Congress won't go for this. They'll come to like the tariff revenues but only in addition to how they assfuck us now. Yes, that includes the RINOs. There is no MAGA party on Congress, kiddies. Not really.
346   RC2006   2025 Aug 4, 9:35am  

MolotovCocktail says

5) Uniparty Congress won't go for this. They'll come to like the tariff revenues but only in addition to how they assfuck us now. Yes, that includes the RINOs. There is no MAGA party on Congress, kiddies. Not really.


If they do somehow vote for it then maybe they've been to Epstein Island.
350   MolotovCocktail   2025 Aug 10, 9:43am  

🇨🇭🇺🇸 On August 7, 2025, the United States implemented a 39% tariff on a wide range of Swiss imports, including watches, machinery, and chocolate, with pharmaceuticals largely exempt. The measure is part of President Donald Trump’s “reciprocal tariff” policy, which links tariff rates to trade imbalances. The Swiss government, led by President Karin Keller-Sutter, mounted last-minute diplomatic efforts in Washington to avert the increase but failed, and negotiations continue. Swiss industry groups have warned of significant disruptions, with potential job losses and slower economic growth if the tariffs remain in place.

So what?
The 39% U.S. tariff on Swiss goods signals that Washington’s “reciprocal tariff” policy is being applied even to high-value, politically neutral economies at the core of Europe’s industrial and financial ecosystem. While Switzerland’s global market share in precision manufacturing and luxury goods is small in volume, its products occupy critical niches in global supply chains—from watchmaking and medical instruments to specialty machinery. Sustained tariffs risk prompting Swiss firms to redirect exports toward Asia or the Middle East, potentially eroding transatlantic trade ties. The move also puts the EU in a delicate position: although Switzerland is not an EU member, its economy is deeply integrated into the single market, meaning the tariffs could indirectly affect EU suppliers, logistics networks, and pricing structures for high-end goods across the continent.

From a geopolitical perspective, as I have argued, Trump’s tariff strategy can be understood not simply as protectionism but as statecraft aimed at forcing geopolitical realignment. By selectively raising tariffs on both allies and rivals, Washington increases the cost of economic dependence on the U.S. market while simultaneously leveraging trade pain as a negotiating tool for broader strategic concessions - whether on security cooperation, sanctions alignment, or supply chain decoupling from China and Russia. In this reading, the Swiss case is not an isolated economic dispute but part of a larger recalibration of alliances in the evolving order of Cold War 2.0 between America and the Dragon-Bear.


https://x.com/vtchakarova/status/1954560761017037234

BTW, this gal is worth following on X. Not a neolib full of shit.
351   MolotovCocktail   2025 Aug 10, 9:54am  


‘US hits one-kilo gold bars with tariffs in blow to refining hub Switzerland’ (FT), upending the bullion market as prices soar, and hitting Zurich on trade again;


https://x.com/TheMichaelEvery/status/1953702339681923249
354   Patrick   2025 Aug 23, 12:44pm  

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/friends-with-benefits-saturday-august


Narrative failure alert! This week, US News and World Report published this remarkable, expectation-defying headline:

Trump's Tariffs Could Reduce US Deficit by $4 Trillion, CBO Estimates
https://money.usnews.com/investing/news/articles/2025-08-22/trumps-tariffs-could-reduce-us-deficit-by-4-trillion-cbo-estimates

The new estimate was devastating news for corporate media, which angrily ignored the story, and ran more DC protest tales instead. The financial experts were also unavailable for comment, even though they’d predicted the exact opposite, that Trump’s tariffs would mushroom the deficit. ...

If anything, the CBO’s estimate was low. The prediction of a $400 billion deficit reduction over ten years is very conservative, since tariff revenue in 2025 is already estimated to blow past $400 billion, and tariffs weren’t in place for the whole year.

I don’t mean to minimize the accomplishment. Even $4 trillion over a decade isn’t exactly pocket change; it’s more than most major tax packages ever dare to promise.

That wasn’t the only thing experts were wrong about. On the same day, CBS News ran this delightfully contrarian story:

4 reasons why the Trump tariffs haven't caused U.S. inflation to soar
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-tariffs-trump-inflation-prices/

Until this week, most “mainstream” economists screamed that Trump’s sweeping tariffs would quickly push consumer prices higher, triggering a new inflation wave. Costs will just be passed on to American consumers, they cried. CBS’s article shows that didn’t happen: prices have stayed “relatively stable,” and the hysterical predictions of immediate inflationary shock did not materialize. ...

That we were right about tariffs from day one is now unavoidable. Trump’s tariff dashboard is about so much more than mere revenue. He’s using it to bring the globalists to heel. The much-desired goal of ending globalism for good would justify an enormous investment, but Trump has found a way to make trillions at the same time.

Since inflation is stable, it’s obvious that foreign treasuries are beginning to foot the bill for American objectives. Trump’s achieved the politically impossible; he’s transformed taxes into a profit center.

Think of it. For fifty years, politicians of both parties swore there were only two choices: raise taxes (career suicide) or cut spending (political suicide). Trump has once again found a third way: make foreigners pay America’s bills. And it’s fair, since the world benefits from American military and economic stability.
355   WookieMan   2025 Aug 24, 6:09am  

Patrick says

make foreigners pay America’s bills. And it’s fair, since the world benefits from American military and economic stability.


And they've been doing it to us forever. Europe is a dying region that has no natural resources and poor demographic future. So they bring in Muslims to fill the gap. Different ethnic countries. Italy, France, Germany, Spain, etc. It's not like the United States. We may bitch about each other states, but I consider them Americans first. Not the case in Europe.

About the only thing they had going was cars and that's failing. I don't want an EV, but they only make small ICE cars that are over priced. BMW, Audi, Mercedes, VW, etc. Those are mostly upper middle class cars that sales are going to fall off the US market. And they're also expensive to maintain.

I suppose they make watches as a bigger market? Basically what Europe does is high end stuff that 90% of Americans don't need. And they've been charging us tariffs not thinking the party would ever come to an end. Same shit with NATO. Why is Russia our problem? They'd have to nuke us. They couldn't get ground troops over without being completely wiped out with conventional weapons across the straights or Pacific. Russia has never been a threat because of MAD.

Cold war is over and Europe needs to take care of itself. The problem is they never have. Hence why I'll never go. And point is tariff the hell out of them. Technically they owe us way more after WWI and II. Didn't need to be in some wars, but we've given them free military training for 80 years. The bill is due.
357   RWSGFY   2025 Aug 29, 3:57pm  

Al_Sharpton_for_President says






What if all that will have to be paid back...

A federal appeals court has ruled that most of President Donald Trump's sweeping global tariffs are unlawful, potentially dealing a significant blow to the president's effort to reshape the country's trade policy unilaterally.
In a 7-4 decision, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit rejected Trump's authority to carry out most of his tariffs, agreeing with the lower court that Trump's actions were "invalid as contrary to law." However, the court delayed the impact of its decision through mid-October to allow the Trump administration to appeal to the Supreme Court, as the tariffs remain in effect.

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