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PeopleUnited says

Are you still waiting for Sasquatch too?

If we dont hold accountability to due process, it will absolutely come to pass that American citizens get deported to a foreign prison.

Thats not sasquatch. Thats just something that will happen if you remove all the safeguards which prevent it.

No safeguards have been removed. And you absolutely are more concerned about an invented hypothetical than the reality staring you in the face: that the government let an illegal alien run around for 14 years and THEN a corrupt judge tried to prevent his deportation!

But you are worried about a hypothetical Sasquatch.

DeficitHawk says

No, thats just obstructionist thinking. There are lots of ways to tackle problems like this at scale and with expedited time process. It doesnt have to be a serialized, drawn out set of court proceedings. There can be a standard set of criteria, check boxes, etc.. and the courts can review in bulk however they want and pick out the exceptions to review in detail. They need to be efficient and fast, and they should be held accoutable for the speed of the process.

Question. Was the guy here legally or not? My understanding is he was not. As a first world country we've been one of the only ones that look the other way on illegals.

If you can't prove where you're from that means you're not participating in our system. Love or hate it, that's fact. Do you want voter ID? I think we should have it. I'm generally libertarian/independent. No other country allows non-citizens to roam around their country. That includes 3rd world countries.

The guy had to go. It's not something a judge or jury needs to decide. That would take years. We saw it with the death of a user here. So what happens in the meantime? They're out on bail and just doing whatever they want after being here illegally.

I like hearing leftist/liberal points of view and you've been cordial in your comments. But the guy had to go and the left is 100% politicizing for whatever reason that I don't comprehend. If an illegal moved into your house in the night, what would be your reaction?

WookieMan says

But the guy had to go and the left is 100% politicizing for whatever reason that I don't comprehend.

I think you are focusing on this person. I am not. I dont know the details of his case and dont care too much about the outcome of it. If his case gets properly reviewed and he gets kicked out, I am fine with that.

I am concerned about the process. I dont want to sacrifice our core value of due process in the effort to enforce the laws. I view this situation as a trial balloon to see what will fly and what wont fly, and I want the dust to settle on preserving the principle of due process.

Thats our disconnect. To me, its about the bill of rights, and ensuring our values as Americans are preserved. Its not about this guy.

https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1913358867708493982

DeficitHawk says

WookieMan says

But the guy had to go and the left is 100% politicizing for whatever reason that I don't comprehend.

I think you are focusing on this person. I am not. I dont know the details of his case and dont care too much about the outcome of it. If his case gets properly reviewed and he gets kicked out, I am fine with that.

I am concerned about the process. I dont want to sacrifice our core value of due process in the effort to enforce the laws. I view this situation as a trial balloon to see what will fly and what wont fly, and I want the dust to settle on preserving the principle of due process.

Thats our disconnect. To me, its about the bill of rights, and ensuring our values as Americans are preserved. Its not about this guy.

Get a left wing immigration judge and all of what you stated is purely academic or rhetoric.

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https://x.com/WesternDecline/status/1913359383817314781

Patrick says

It’s also pretty obvious by his recent actions, that Judge “Jeb” Boasberg is angling to be Kilmar’s running mate in ‘28.

Here's some text from the appeals court ruling yesterday on this case.... The judges are saying it better than I am, but I basically agree with them, and these are the points I have been trying to make:

"It is difficult in some cases to get to the very heart of the matter. But in this case, it is not hard at all. The government is asserting a right to stash away residents of this country in foreign prisons without the semblance of due process that is the foundation of our constitutional order. Further, it claims in essence that because it has rid itself of custody that there is nothing that can be done. This should be shocking not only to judges, but to the intuitive sense of liberty that Americans far removed from courthouses still hold dear. The government asserts that Abrego Garcia is a terrorist and a member of MS-13.
Perhaps, but perhaps not. Regardless, he is still entitled to due process. If the government is confident of its position, it should be assured that position will prevail in proceedings...."

"The Executive possesses enormous powers to prosecute and to deport, but with powers come restraints. If today the Executive claims the right to deport without due process and in disregard of court orders, what assurance will there be tomorrow that it will not deport American citizens and then disclaim responsibility to bring them home? And what assurance shall there be that the Executive will not train its broad discretionary powers upon its political enemies? The threat, even if not the actuality, would always be present, and the Executive’s obligation to “take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed” would lose its meaning. "

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25900495-2025-04-17-court-order-dckt/

DeficitHawk says

If the government is confident of its position, it should be assured that position will prevail in proceedings...."

AGAIN, it does not matter as that is all academic rhetoric if you get a Democrat or left wing judge.

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It's the lawfare stall to keep the subversive and military age illegals in the country for as long as possible, bogged down on a case by case basis.

The judges need to be arrested as undeclared foreign agents of the Inns of Court (City of London secret handshake club controlling the laws, commerce and banking of the British Empire). The judges are agents of the Crown.

AD says

AGAIN, it does not matter as that is all academic rhetoric if you get a Democrat or left wing judge.

Just because they worry they might not win a case is not a valid reason to abandon our core rights and freedoms. Sometimes doing things properly takes more work and effort. They should not wimp out and abandon their duties because they worry it will be hard or they might not win.

Ceffer says

It's the lawfare stall to keep the subversive and military age illegals in the country for as long as possible, bogged down on a case by case basis.

The judges need to be arrested as undeclared foreign agents of the Inns of Court (City of London secret handshake club controlling the laws, commerce and banking of the British Empire). The judges are agents of the Crown.

Dude..... you cant go all "kill them all" every time someone doesn't agree with you.

DeficitHawk says

Dude..... you cant go all "kill them all" every time someone doesn't agree with you.

You seem to be arguing in good faith. I appreciate that. But they threw so much shit at Trump. This guy was here illegally and is part of a gang. It's a non-story really. I'm not getting deported to El Salvador. Then factor in the guy probably wasn't paying taxes for I think 6-8 years. His own spouse took him to court.

Talk about due process, but the guy didn't do THE process to get here. He gone.

Come on, this guy is not arguing in good faith. He ignores the fact that the corrupt government let millions of illegal aliens in, and then he compounds his willful ignorance by looking the other way while the corrupt courts and judges are fighting to prevent deportation of the illegal aliens.

He is arguing that we should allow the corrupt people to enforce the law. That is not good faith, that is the definition of bad faith. There is no “due process” when the court is corrupt.

There is really only one question, did you enter this country legally or illegaly? If illegal entry was committed, immediate deportation is the rightful action of enforcement of the law.

There is no other argument or “process” to be performed.

And remember, Jesus got “due process” before He was beaten beyond recognition and nailed to a tree to die.

You can have your due process, just remember it will be used against you too when the corrupt court needs to make an example of you or be rid of you. Don’t put faith in “due process”. Trust God.

PeopleUnited says

He is arguing that we should allow the corrupt people to enforce the law. That is not good faith, that is the definition of bad faith. There is no “due process” when the court is corrupt.

I'm in disagreement with him on this topic. I disagree with some here and they become complete ass holes. That's why I say good faith. He could be wrong but he goes about it the right way. We need some leftist on the site. I'm not one, but all their views aren't wrong. Might not like them, but seems like a decent human. Hard to find now in this polarized world.

Due process is the right of legal citizens and natural, legally admitted immigrants, not illegal invaders. It's not goodness or kindness or 'self protection' to coddle invaders. It's lunacy and social suicide.

To flog due process as 'rights' of an illegal invader is a liberal delusion and a subversive Satanic inversion. Espousing this insidious policy is misprision. The courts are telling the citizens their rights mean nothing while promiscuously conferring their rights to the invader instead. It is the definition of trampllng the rights of legal citizens.

It does not mean to wish them harm, but it does mean the right to send them back where they came from and prevent them from organizing in antisocial or militant cells.

The DOD Law of War Manual has definitions of what invaders are entitled to, and it is not the due process of legal citizens or legally naturalized immigrants.

The courts that do this inversion are bent on subversion of the country they live in. This is the point where the military step in to constrain a subversive, captured, treasonous, and renegade court system. The courts are violating their oath to protect the country and the citizens and are working on behalf of an alien power.

https://patrick.net/post/1384303/2025-04-19-bill-ackman

As stated, granting 'due process' to illegal invaders is 'upside down' law.

https://t.me/BannonWarRoom/65593

Ceffer says

Due process is the right of legal citizens and natural, legally admitted immigrants, not illegal invaders.

Yes, and those who are so concerned about due process for Kilmar Abrego Garcia were quit mum about the due process for the J6 crowd.

Does he take anti-Ozempic? Every time I see a picture of him he looks like he's gained even more pounds. Maybe being and executive and executioner toilet installation of the NWO doesn't agree with him.

https://t.me/SGTnewsNetwork/90646

Horse cum guzzling Tim's daughter personifies the inversion and degradation of the concept.

https://t.me/SGTnewsNetwork/90643

https://t.me/SGTnewsNetwork/90636

HeadSet says

about the due process for the J6 crowd.

The foreign occupied foreign city state of Washington DC is ruled by a bizarre Roman law of corruption, the law of the forum. DC (formerly) had different zones with different iterations of such. The grounds of Congress are ruled by the worst variant, the Vatican law of Inquisition. Thus, the J6 prisoners were subjected to medieval religious torture law. That is specifically why Pelosi et alia lured them into the Capitol.

Ceffer says

the due process for the J6 crowd

Who in the J6 crowd went to jail without seeing the inside of a court?

You may not like some court decisions... same for me.... but the J6 crowd had their day in court. They got due process.

It's a propaganda assault to convince the gullible virtue signaling of the Satanic Inversion of illegal aliens' 'due process' rights.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/04/trump-did-not-ignore-supreme-court-ruling-el/

DeficitHawk says

You may not like some court decisions... same for me.... but the J6 crowd had their day in court. They got due process.

No, they didn't. They mouldered in dungeons for years and maybe got tribunals in Roman kangaroo courts. That they got 'due process' is an assertion fallacy.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/04/j6-sedition-cases-actually-attack-free-speech-trump/

Designated undeclared foreign agent of the Middle Temple of the secret legal handshake club Inns of Court of the City of London continues his attempted usurpations of executive powers under the direction of his masters.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/04/j6-sedition-cases-actually-attack-free-speech-trump/

DeficitHawk says

Who in the J6 crowd went to jail without seeing the inside of a court?

90% were arrested for walking through the Capitol... They were citizens and it was public property. 99% didn't do any damage or harm or illegal activity.

Did people commit illegal acts? Yes. 100%. And they should be in jail, some of them.

This Maryland guy was not here legally. Legally he doesn't get due process. They're branding him as some victim, main stream media to make you think he was legal. I'm sure you know what clickbait is. The lefts revues are in the sewer and they'll run articles and stories on purely made up BS. Republicans do it as well, so I'm not one sided. This is a closed book situation, the guy is staying in El Salvador.

DeficitHawk says

The reason we lefties are worried

What are your thoughts on the lack of due process for the "January 6th insurrectionists"?

Ceffer says

Both are messed up, but for some reason I take a larger issue with the tattooed gang banger. Don't like either but I'll give the benefit of the doubt to the tranny swimmer. He just beats women in sports. The banger beats them and kills them physically. Lesser of two evils, but I guess I'd take the tranny as the good person in the meme. Both are wrong though.

Onvacation says

DeficitHawk says

The reason we lefties are worried

What are your thoughts on the lack of due process for the "January 6th insurrectionists"?

There was no lack of due process for them. They got trials. You just don't like the result.