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Tenpoundbass says

Well why don't you post examples of rightwing violence that aligns with MAGA principals, go on ahead and try, I triple dog dare you.

J6

HeadSet says

This may just as easily come out as a Dem shooting Dems because those particular Dems

I mean.. I could say the guy who shot at trump was a MAGA Trumper... he was a registered republican... He's dead so who knows what was going on in his mind. But at some point you have to take the evidence of who he was shooting at as a datapoint into the motivations. That's how I conclude that he was opposed to Trump. Just like this guy was opposed to the people on his hit list (which includes a lot of pro choice people).

Yes Ill wait for more facts to come out. But in any case, I will not hold my breath waiting for all the Patnetters to condemn the violence. Per the title of this thread, you guys have already made up your minds.

DeficitHawk says

I will not hold my breath waiting for all the Patnetters to condemn the violence.

Do you realize the Patnetters were condemning the violence of the Democrat enforcers (AntiFa) in Los Angeles, etc. ?

DeficitHawk says

You are trying to maintain the mantra that "Only the left is violent" even though an obvious and extreme counter example is staring you in the face. Its intellectually dishonest.

This guy wanted to be a bigshot. He certainly was heavily involved with Walz; he was an appointee, and his wife was a staffer. And he ran an NGO while being a general manager of 711 and running a "Security Company". When his NGO lost it's laundered taxpayer money, he probably came up with a scheme to be notorious.

DeficitHawk says

I will not hold my breath waiting for all the Patnetters to condemn the violence.

Well, go ahead and breathe. I wholeheartedly CONDEMN the shooting of Melissa Hortman and John Hoffman and their spouses. These folks were innocent victims of a deranged murderer, and that murderer that should be hanged regardless of party affiliation. I do not care what political party the victims hail from, they did not deserve to be shot.

If other Patnetters post similar statements, or this post gets lots of likes, you will see that Patnetters are indeed against such political violence.

AD says

Do you realize the Patnetters were condemning the violence of the Democrat enforcers (AntiFa) in Los Angeles, etc. ?

OF course! Thats the point.

If the left wingers do something out of line, the Patnetters are like a New York taxicab behind you when a light turns green.... condemning and asking for cruel and unusual punishment within a microsecond.

If the right wingers do something out of line... patnetters are like "oh, maybe it was actually left wingers in disguise" or "It wasnt so bad, quit whining" or "oh lets get all the facts before judging". Defer, downplay, ignore etc...

Just pointing out the complete double standard. I know none of you will change your minds. Its ok. I'm not expecting balanced discourse... I just come here to be your punching bag when I need more abuse than I get in my personal life.

HeadSet says

Well, go ahead and breathe. I wholeheartedly CONDEMN the shooting of Melissa Hortman and John Hoffman and their spouses. These folks were innocent victims of a deranged murderer, and that murderer that should be hanged regardless of party affiliation. I do not care what political party the victims hail from, they did not deserve to be shot.

Thanks HeadSet

DeficitHawk says

If the right wingers do something out of line... patnetters are like "oh, maybe it was actually left wingers in disguise" or "It wasnt so bad, quit whining" or "oh lets get all the facts before judging". Defer, downplay, ignore etc...

A good example is title of this post. AK immediately resorts to a tactic of blaming the violence on left wing actors, and continues to persist in this. HeadSet says "lets wait for all the facts"... which is fine, but that comment only applies to me.... he has no comment when AK goes and blames left wing actors before all the facts are on hand. At least HeadSet agrees "murder is bad" which is a low bar, but it is at least something.

I agree all of the facts are not in.. I speculate that it is a religious extremist type on a pro-life vendetta (which is a right-winger subtype)... but that is not proven. AK speculates that there is some sort of coverup for a corruption and money laundering ring involving Tim Walz... ok I'll go get my tinfoil hat and look into that.

I condemn all violence, especially if it’s directed at me or my dog.

DeficitHawk says

Thanks HeadSet

I would be surprised to find anyone here who disagrees with my sentiment against this shooting. Top Republicans like Trump and Johnson unequivocally condemned the murder. Tim Walz used his condemnation to make a partisan political statement, relieved that after the last few years of frequent left-wing violence, he finally has the opportunity to claim an instance of right-wing violence without having to go back to the Jan 2021 protest where no one was killed except a protester shot by Capital Police.

HeadSet says

DeficitHawk says

Thanks HeadSet

I would be surprised to find anyone here who disagrees with my sentiment against this shooting. Top Republicans like Trump and Johnson unequivocally condemned the murder. Tim Walz used his condemnation to make a partisan political statement, relieved that after the last few years of frequent left-wing violence, he finally has the opportunity to claim an instance of right-wing violence without having to go back to the Jan 2021 protest where no one was killed except a protester shot by Capital Police.

I don’t know why anyone would be in favor of this. Our politicians being targeted is very very bad for the US. I shouldn’t have to explain why. The asshole who did this needs to hang in a Public forum.

DeficitHawk says

AK immediately resorts to a tactic of blaming the violence on left wing actors, and continues to persist in this.

Dude, you mentioned all this "Violence" on J6 in your post above. Like moving a lectern from one side of the room to the other, after the Capitol Police opened the doors to the mostly peaceful protesters.

DeficitHawk says

ok I'll go get my tinfoil hat and look into that.

you already confirmed your tinfoil hat was on when you wrote this: " I speculate that it is a religious extremist type on a pro-life vendetta (which is a right-winger subtype) "

that will be the convenient narrative of your intellectual superior Tampon Tim Walz

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HeadSet says

I would be surprised to find anyone here who disagrees with my sentiment against this shooting

Yeah sure, I agree but that's not really my point. Being against literal murder is not the standard I am holding people to.

I am asking for people to recognize the double standard they apply when considering these types of events in light of the politics around them.

When AK cooks up a crazy conspiracy theory like " there is a money laundering pedo ring run by Walz, Hillary, Epstien and the usual suspects... and this marxist left-wing antifa nut job is killing people off to cover it all up".... everyone here is like 'yup, that checks out'.

When I say "This guy is going down a list of democratic pro choice lawmakers and assassinating them so there's a good chance he doesnt like democrats or pro choice politicians"... everyone is like 'whoa, take a step back buddy... lets get all the facts before we say anything crazy!!!'

Thank you for being against murder. That's a start. But I am asking you to consider the double standard.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

In the meantime, you underestimate the capabilities of some law enforcement agencies.

Sounded like it was a hunch from a local policeman to check another politicians house a few minutes after the first attack was reported. It was at that house is where they found the perp and where he abandoned his car and fled on foot.

The ID’d him quick because the car he abandoned belonged to him/his business. The fact that he has been able to avoid being apprehended gives me the suspicion he must be getting help.

Patnet users I believe are united in condemning the violence. And our thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their loved ones at this time.

But if anyone tells you we haven’t entered a new era in world affairs, they are clearly insane. The spirit that brought us world war 2 seems to be building an even bigger war for this generation. This is a spiritual problem and it will not be resolved until Jesus returns and restores this world from the evil that has corrupted it. The sad part is that if you read Revelation, there will still be one final rebellion 1000 years after Jesus returns. But after that, finally there will be war no more.

God help us. Even so, come Lord Jesus.

DeficitHawk says

But I am asking you to consider the double standard.

Well, we will find out the political motivations of the murderer when the facts finally roll in. As far as double standard, you seem to be pushing the idea that all the leftist violence over the last few years, including BLM, Antifa, actual shots taken at Republicans, plus current attacks on police and ICE are all balanced out by "J6."

I guess they just caught the perp, near his home.

HeadSet says

you seem to be pushing the idea

No. Im pushing the idea that this thread is titled "Maniac Marxist Boelter" in an obvious attempt to associate the perpetrator and his motives with left wing ideology even though there is not a shred of evidence that these were motivated by left wing ideology, and everyone here letting that slide while attacking me for saying its probably a right wing person who opposes either democratic politicians or pro-life politicians .. That's the double standard I'm talking about.

Oh we wouldn't want to be too hasty ascribing motives or political leanings to the perp? What about the title of this thread? Literally the first thing that got wrote! Not to mention boogers post in another thread which also did the same thing.

Edit: Typo above, that should say "Pro Choice politicians", not "Pro-life politicians"

DeficitHawk says

a right wing person who opposes either democratic politicians or pro-life politicians .. That's the double standard I'm talking about.

Why would a right winger oppose pro life politics? That has never happened as praising abortion and hating on pro lifers has always been a hallmark of the left. So it's almost a given this was a leftoid marxists motive.

DeficitHawk says

Oh we wouldn't want to be too hasty ascribing motives or political leanings to the perp?

If Vance Boelter was dialed in by someone or someones, then we have a better chance of finding out who that is since they caught Boelter alive.

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PeopleUnited says

I guess they just caught the perp, near his home.

Makes sense to stake his home and near his home, as well as family and friends.

Maybe he was trying to escape and cross the border and then travel to Cuba, Venezuela, etc.
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Does it ever? You have to swallow it whole at its level of pixelation.

If he was wearing a mask, how do they know it was him? Also, the masked guy seems to have a different shaped head. Just askin'. Wouldn't want to go into conspiracy land or anything.

DeficitHawk says

When AK cooks up a crazy conspiracy theory like " there is a money laundering pedo ring run

Pedo Ring Theories aren't my bag, baby.

@Ceffer is your man for that (no offense Ceffer, those theories just don't ring my doorbell though I'm sure there's human smuggling and gay adoption)

The guy was appointed by Walsh, his wife was a former Walz staffer, and he had an NGO that got taxpayer money laundered to it.

I actually think it's mostly him wanting to go down in a blaze of glory because his life history seems to be aiming to be a bigshot. His appointment expiring and losing his NGO funding probably set him off. I suspect similar with the Las Vegas shooter (and wanting to one-up his FBI Most Wanted list psycho father).

Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of Men?

I must have DH on ignore. I only get his posts in indirect quotes. I am offended that he would consider AK more radically insane than me.

Ceffer says

If he was wearing a mask, how do they know it was him? Also, the masked guy seems to have a different shaped head. Just askin'. Wouldn't want to go into conspiracy land or anything.

Vance Boelter is another Lee Harvey Oswald-type patsy ? He unwittingly got caught up in another deep state subterfuge ?

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AD says

Vance Boelter is another Lee Harvey Oswald-type patsy ? He unwittingly got caught up in another deep state subterfuge ?

Can't tell. The proximity to 6/14 no kings and the CIA playbooks of enraging the riots with a false flag assassination seem to jive in the timeline. They misfired because nobody believed it was a MAGA assassination. Whether he is the assassin or the patsy is anybody's guess, but the presumption based on his car being there seems staged. Why would he run away on foot and leave his car? It's the stuff that doesn't fit. If he had a mask, how did they know it was him, etc.

AD says

Makes sense to stake his home and near his home, as well as family and friends.

It doesn’t make sense if he was trying to escape, the last place he should go is home, even Forrest Gump would know to look there for him so it’s obvious that he was going to get caught if he went there. Why would he do that? He either wanted to get caught or thinks police are incompetent. If the later, he was swiftly disabused.

AD says

Maybe he was trying to escape and cross the border and then travel to Cuba, Venezuela, etc.
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Or North Korea. LOL

I am wondering how he escaped on foot when two police officers where already at the house.

Oh ye of little false flag faith?

PeopleUnited says

if he was trying to escape, the last place he should go is home,

Like 'Eyebrows' Mangione lounging around a McD's with the murder weapon AND his manifesto in hand.

Do the CIA and FBI have 'manifesto creative writing' courses?

Ceffer says

Do the CIA and FBI have 'manifesto creative writing' courses?

Ghost writers.

mell says

Why would a right winger oppose pro life politics

typo on my part. Meant pro choice in that sentence.

DeficitHawk says

Im pushing the idea that this thread is titled "Maniac Marxist Boelter"

Looks like Mike Lee chose the same word "Marxist"
https://x.com/BasedMikeLee/status/1934262175582822629

I find it odd that people would randomly choose this same word...

So do you guys all just mindlessly parrot the same original degenerate conspiracy website verbatim? or what?

Maybe AK is the OG here and Mike Lee mindlessly trolls Patnet to find nuggets of wisdom to mindlessly parrot? How do you both come up with this same word unless someone is a mindless parrot?

Ceffer says

Why would he run away on foot and leave his car?

The police arrived (2 officers on scene) , they were between him and his car. He shot at them but had no way to get to his car without exposing himself or facing a car chase and eventually being captured so he escaped into the house, and then out the back before police could regroup and all in backup.

I’m not saying that it makes sense that a sane person would attempt what this guy is accused of, but it is easy to understand why he had to abandon the car. What is questionable is what purpose could there possibly be in martyring lawmakers? It makes no sense logically, tactically or spiritually. That is evidence suggesting that it was staged. No sane person would carry out a lone wolf attack like this. Mangione, and now this guy. It doesn’t make any sense. But then again criminals don’t have to make sense. Look at Charles Manson. Look at the unabomber. None of it makes sense. People do things that don’t make sense. Everything is not a psyop. But that doesn’t mean they don’t spin everything to support a narrative.

Questions lead to questions. How were the police there so quickly to isolate him from his car? How did they know it was him? Why did he start firing at them instead of just running away? Why did he even hang around at the scene long enough for police to arrive? Isn't that the standard patsy scenario where the ordinarily slow moving authorities are suddenly Johnny on the spot? What is the reaction time of a neighbor reporting gunshots and the appearance of the police in that typical area? Who called them?

There is no 'chain of events' that make sense, and why weren't the people in the chain of events questioned by press? There should have been people all over the place at both scenes.

The 'scenarios' always have missing pieces or 'extra' pieces, things that should be there but aren't, or things that are there but shouldn't be.

When they provide you with a 'movie' that has already been imprinted in your brain through all the cop shows and predictive programming, then it is not 'natural' as a chaotic mess in a fog of real events vs. following a script. There is always more to a real life event, not less.

DeficitHawk says

mell says

Why would a right winger oppose pro life politics

typo on my part. Meant pro choice in that sentence.

Ok, of course this is possible. But the general playbook, not just in the US, but all over the Western world has been to ignore and diffuse all left-wing violence while talking up right wing violence, simply because there are hardly any violent right wingers/militias left, whereas antifa et al have been constantly recruiting from the younger generations through schools and universities, aiding the globalists in suppressing the currently autochthone population. I'd say for any act of politically motivated violence from the Left or right (discounting all other non clear cut cases) distribution and thus chances are 95% left and 5% right.

Ceffer says

There is no 'chain of events' that make sense, and why weren't the people in the chain of events questioned by press? There should have been people all over the place at both scenes.

Hillary did it in between pedo marxist gangbangs at the pizzagate restaurant while mailing in 2020 Biden ballots for dead illegal immigrants. That's the only way it makes sense.