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I must have DH on ignore. I only get his posts in indirect quotes. I am offended that he would consider AK more radically insane than me.

Ceffer says

If he was wearing a mask, how do they know it was him? Also, the masked guy seems to have a different shaped head. Just askin'. Wouldn't want to go into conspiracy land or anything.

Vance Boelter is another Lee Harvey Oswald-type patsy ? He unwittingly got caught up in another deep state subterfuge ?

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AD says

Vance Boelter is another Lee Harvey Oswald-type patsy ? He unwittingly got caught up in another deep state subterfuge ?

Can't tell. The proximity to 6/14 no kings and the CIA playbooks of enraging the riots with a false flag assassination seem to jive in the timeline. They misfired because nobody believed it was a MAGA assassination. Whether he is the assassin or the patsy is anybody's guess, but the presumption based on his car being there seems staged. Why would he run away on foot and leave his car? It's the stuff that doesn't fit. If he had a mask, how did they know it was him, etc.

AD says

Makes sense to stake his home and near his home, as well as family and friends.

It doesn’t make sense if he was trying to escape, the last place he should go is home, even Forrest Gump would know to look there for him so it’s obvious that he was going to get caught if he went there. Why would he do that? He either wanted to get caught or thinks police are incompetent. If the later, he was swiftly disabused.

AD says

Maybe he was trying to escape and cross the border and then travel to Cuba, Venezuela, etc.
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Or North Korea. LOL

I am wondering how he escaped on foot when two police officers where already at the house.

Oh ye of little false flag faith?

PeopleUnited says

if he was trying to escape, the last place he should go is home,

Like 'Eyebrows' Mangione lounging around a McD's with the murder weapon AND his manifesto in hand.

Do the CIA and FBI have 'manifesto creative writing' courses?

Ceffer says

Do the CIA and FBI have 'manifesto creative writing' courses?

Ghost writers.

mell says

Why would a right winger oppose pro life politics

typo on my part. Meant pro choice in that sentence.

DeficitHawk says

Im pushing the idea that this thread is titled "Maniac Marxist Boelter"

Looks like Mike Lee chose the same word "Marxist"
https://x.com/BasedMikeLee/status/1934262175582822629

I find it odd that people would randomly choose this same word...

So do you guys all just mindlessly parrot the same original degenerate conspiracy website verbatim? or what?

Maybe AK is the OG here and Mike Lee mindlessly trolls Patnet to find nuggets of wisdom to mindlessly parrot? How do you both come up with this same word unless someone is a mindless parrot?

Ceffer says

Why would he run away on foot and leave his car?

The police arrived (2 officers on scene) , they were between him and his car. He shot at them but had no way to get to his car without exposing himself or facing a car chase and eventually being captured so he escaped into the house, and then out the back before police could regroup and all in backup.

I’m not saying that it makes sense that a sane person would attempt what this guy is accused of, but it is easy to understand why he had to abandon the car. What is questionable is what purpose could there possibly be in martyring lawmakers? It makes no sense logically, tactically or spiritually. That is evidence suggesting that it was staged. No sane person would carry out a lone wolf attack like this. Mangione, and now this guy. It doesn’t make any sense. But then again criminals don’t have to make sense. Look at Charles Manson. Look at the unabomber. None of it makes sense. People do things that don’t make sense. Everything is not a psyop. But that doesn’t mean they don’t spin everything to support a narrative.

Questions lead to questions. How were the police there so quickly to isolate him from his car? How did they know it was him? Why did he start firing at them instead of just running away? Why did he even hang around at the scene long enough for police to arrive? Isn't that the standard patsy scenario where the ordinarily slow moving authorities are suddenly Johnny on the spot? What is the reaction time of a neighbor reporting gunshots and the appearance of the police in that typical area? Who called them?

There is no 'chain of events' that make sense, and why weren't the people in the chain of events questioned by press? There should have been people all over the place at both scenes.

The 'scenarios' always have missing pieces or 'extra' pieces, things that should be there but aren't, or things that are there but shouldn't be.

When they provide you with a 'movie' that has already been imprinted in your brain through all the cop shows and predictive programming, then it is not 'natural' as a chaotic mess in a fog of real events vs. following a script. There is always more to a real life event, not less.

DeficitHawk says

mell says

Why would a right winger oppose pro life politics

typo on my part. Meant pro choice in that sentence.

Ok, of course this is possible. But the general playbook, not just in the US, but all over the Western world has been to ignore and diffuse all left-wing violence while talking up right wing violence, simply because there are hardly any violent right wingers/militias left, whereas antifa et al have been constantly recruiting from the younger generations through schools and universities, aiding the globalists in suppressing the currently autochthone population. I'd say for any act of politically motivated violence from the Left or right (discounting all other non clear cut cases) distribution and thus chances are 95% left and 5% right.

Ceffer says

There is no 'chain of events' that make sense, and why weren't the people in the chain of events questioned by press? There should have been people all over the place at both scenes.

Hillary did it in between pedo marxist gangbangs at the pizzagate restaurant while mailing in 2020 Biden ballots for dead illegal immigrants. That's the only way it makes sense.

mell says

Ok, of course this is possible. But the general playbook, not just in the US, but all over the Western world has been to ignore and diffuse all left-wing violence while talking up right wing violence, simply because there are hardly any violent right wingers/militias left, whereas antifa et al have been constantly recruiting from the younger generations through schools and universities. I'd say for any act of politically motivated violence from the Left or right (discounting all other non clear cut cases) distribution and thus chances are 95% left and 5% right.

Yeah, like I said, everyone will jump down my throat for speculation if I say "hey maybe it was some pro lifer on a vendetta" before all the facts are in.... but everyone just seem totally cool to speculate that it was driven by "marxist ideology" or whatever. You are just providing another example of the double standard.

Are you all playing dumb? or can you really not see that you are all doing this?

DeficitHawk says

Yeah, like I said, everyone will jump down my throat for speculation if I say "hey maybe it was some pro lifer on a vendetta" before all the facts are in.... but everyone just seem totally cool to speculate that it was driven by "marxist ideology" or whatever. You are just providing another example of the double standard.

Are you all playing dumb? or can you really not see that you are all doing this?

All I said is what I believe the chances are and I gave you examples. I mean for years they desperately tried to talk up "white right wing supremacy violence" under race baiters biden and Obama, remember George Zimmerman (half hispanic), truly cringe worthy of not outright criminal what they did to him, with the help of the media doctoring tapes and bleaching his skin tone. There just ain't any. Look at Europe, everyday migrants stab citizens of the countries they are guests in, yet the media and politicians are trying to "warn of right wing violence" after each stabbing, and immediately somebody starts a concert against racism. Please list any right wing motivated violence/killings in the past decades in Western Europe or the US. It's going to be hard to find any.

Yeah, mell, I get it that everyone things their shit doesnt stink. But it does.

mell says

Please list any right wing motivated violence/killings in the past decades in Western Europe or the US. It's going to be hard to find

Dylan Roof
Vance Boelter
Byron (Low Tax) Looper
Jared Lee Loughner (agree, maybe more schizophrenia than political motivation... conspiracy theories and all... wait... what website is this?)
Walter Moody
Oklahoma city, Timothy McVeih, Terry Nichols
Ted Kazynsky....

It should also be pointed out that there are tons rando conspiracy theory schizo's who go trying to kill people, nothing to do with politics... and conspiracy oriented websites like Patnet just egg them on in their delusional manifestations.

DeficitHawk says

It should also be pointed out that there are tons rando conspiracy theory schizo's who go trying to kill people, nothing to do with politics... and conspiracy oriented websites like Patnet just egg them on in their delusional manifestations.

I agree that there are many in the grey areas who may not primarily political, but you listed a few over many decades. Kaczynsy rejected leftist and fascism, so neutral, better we don't know for sure, there are 2 or 3 on this list max just fit the right wing neo nazi bill. If you take a look at this thread you can see the many acts of violence from the Left just over the past years: https://www.patrick.net/post/1333832/2020-07-13-end-leftist-violence
And while we're at it, this site during (earlier) times was dominated by leftists and at least 50/50 for many years, but, and @Patrick prob knows this better, we never had an issue with threats from a conservative poster where the opposite is not true iirc.

Anyhow, we're never going to agree whether the leftys or the righties are worse than the other.. because we'll never agree how to count, and we'll never agree on how to categorize each case. Thats why these types of comparisons are not productive. I threw Kazynsky in there knowing you would object and you should, because he fits neither case... which can also be said about lots of people when you drill down.

None of that is the point.

The point is, here and now, this guy Vance Boelter shot democratic lawmakers on a list. The good people of Patnet were quick to parrot that he was a 'Marxist' without any evidence, and a grand total of ZERO people here took any exception to the title of this thread or that implication until I did.

Yet when I said "Hey this guy is going down a list of democrats killing pro choice people, maybe he is motivated by a related ideology..." Everyone and their grandma comes out of the hills to tell me why my statement is out of line, hasty, irresponsible, and why an assumption that he was a marxist is reasonable, etc.

The good people of Patnet have drunk some good coolaid and can only parrot the right wing news blogs anymore, and if anything doesn't fit the pattern... its 'REEEEEEE'

Robert Sproul says

Like 'Eyebrows' Mangione

Luigi the Love Interest of Liberal Ladies is proof men don;'t need to bother grooming their eyebrows.

Oh, there's a great example of a Liberal Loony killer right there.

Taylor Lorenz in particular gushes more than the Niagra Falls thinking about him.

An embarrassing false flag failure that they will have to gaslight until everybody forgets. Boy, somebody at CIA is getting their asses chapped (if not capped, the usual price of failure and guarantor of silence).

https://t.me/WeTheMedia/125046

mell says

we never had an issue with threats from a conservative poster where the opposite is not true iirc.

Well, there was the Ironman episode...so I guess that would count as a right-winger losing his shit.

Ceffer says

Why would he run away on foot and leave his car?

He had ran away because the police exchanged fire with him. He ran through the house and into the woods behind the house.

He thought he'd get away with this second shooting and be able to escape.

Problem is his security car likely was on video footage like traffic cameras, home surveillance cameras like Wyze (by the way, it has no glare problems at night if you place the camera on the window sill looking out) , etc. So he left a trail in regards to that.

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Still sounds like it is propping up an untenable scenario. If he just shot somebody, he would peel out right away. He wouldn't have hung around for any police presence to begin with.

The stuff they present is an alleged sketch without a plausible timeline.

LOL! Guess Alex Jones agrees.


https://t.me/followsthewhiterabbit/112631

Another sign of a false flag: changing narrative to 'fit' the implausible described situation.

Ceffer says

Still sounds like it is propping up an untenable scenario. If he just shot somebody, he would peel out right away. He wouldn't have hung around for any police presence to begin with.

As far as a timeline, I believe the police showed up just after he arrived at that house. So he did not have time to get in his security vehicle and drive away fast.

I see if he is a patsy then he was bamboozled to show up with his car and check out the house, assuming that was him in the mask and who took the security car. That is one major but not impossible subterfuge.

Or Vance Boelter did not even show up at the houses where the shootings occurred, the actual murderer stole that security car from him or his wife.

Soon after he found out he was wanted for murder and that was when he decided to hide and his wife took off in a car with a passport.

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AD says

Ceffer says

Why would he run away on foot and leave his car?

He had ran away because the police exchanged fire with him. He ran through the house and into the woods behind the house.

He thought he'd get away with this second shooting and be able to escape.

Problem is his security car likely was on video footage like traffic cameras, home surveillance cameras like Wyze (by the way, it has no glare problems at night if you place the camera on the window sill looking out) , etc. So he left a trail in regards to that.

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Ah yes you may be right though I forgot the details. OK 1in 5 ;)

So, how long will they continue to beat the dead false flag horse? Clanging garbage pail lid Walz will rave as long as they want.


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/6/16/who-is-vance-boelter-the-suspect-in-assassination-of-minnesota-lawmaker

https://t.co/zko0AvqgIL

https://t.me/riseofthenewmedia/8720

Reffec dluow reven tel a doog ycaripsnoc og ot tsiaw.

It is more likely that everything Ceffer posts is a psyop. Don’t get me wrong, I love me a good psyop as much as anyone, but Ceffer takes the idea of a psyop and turns it on itself. If every news event is by definition a psyop, then is the only place to avoid being duped by the psyop the Wooosphere?

PeopleUnited says

Reffec dluow reven tel a doog ycaripsnoc og ot tsiaw.

I made some spelling adjustments. "Ceffer would never let a good conspiracy go to waste"

We shall see how strong and effective of a defense legal team Vance Boelter has; they could claim that his security car was stolen and his roommate was pressured into making those false statements about him.

Or a lot more far fetched defense narrative is that Boelter was coaxed to show up to the home of the second shootings as part of some security drill which required him to wear a mask, but we have not seen all the smoking gun or incriminating evidence like police body camera video of the masked Vance Boelter firing a gun at them.

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... or like the second Trump assassinator. He is simply held until the general public forgets all about it.

AD says

but we have not seen all the smoking gun or incriminating evidence like police body camera video of the masked Vance Boelter firing a gun at them.

Well, at least not until they have cgi'd it.

This is a good exercise in people WANTING to believe what they are told without really examining or thinking beyond the magic trick. They prefer the 'security' of authority.

Ceffer says

Well, at least not until they have cgi'd it.

This is a good exercise in people WANTING to believe what they are told without really examining or thinking beyond the magic trick. They prefer the 'security' of authority.

That would be ultra subterfuge like at a MK Ultra level. Like some demonic version of a Mission Impossible operation.

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AD says

Ceffer says

Well, at least not until they have cgi'd it.

This is a good exercise in people WANTING to believe what they are told without really examining or thinking beyond the magic trick. They prefer the 'security' of authority.

That would be ultra subterfuge like at a MK Ultra level. Like some demonic version of a Mission Impossible operation.

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Aha, so you admit it, the whole thing is an MK Ultra psyop.

So let’s recap. Basically every lone wolf attack is MK ultra, Sirhan Sirhan, Oswald, those attacks on schools like in Texas, Maui fires, LA fires, Canada fires, Mangione of course and now this one, did I leave anything out, oh yes that nurse that fainted during her Covid shot and is now dead but has an actor portraying her, Biden is dead but has multiple actors portraying him, Trump has actors portraying him, in fact Ethan Hunt plays both Biden and Trump and Phillip Seymour Hoffman (or the actor who played Phillip Seymour Hoffman before the real Phillip Seymour Hoffman was interned at Gitmo) plays multiple characters who are more heavy set in “government”. Oh and of course Epstein did not kill him self. Obviously we could go on but we might as well just ask Alex Jones because he obviously is not CIA counterintelligence.

LOL! Everybody chooses their own comfort level and denial with their Overton Windows. I suppose it's better than cringing in a corner all day.

What if @Ceffer himself is MKUltra psyop and has 10 doubles posting conspiracies?

Ceffer says

LOL! Everybody chooses their own comfort level and denial with their Overton Windows. I suppose it's better than cringing in a corner all day.