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A Place To Shelter In The Event Of A Nuclear War


               
2025 Jul 28, 4:38pm   290 views  16 comments

by ohomen171   follow (2)  

#elcalafate Next week is a happy/sad anniversary for the human race. Almost 80 years ago, Hiroshima and Nagasaki in Japan were incinerated by low-yield nuclear bombs. The good news is that it was the last time that nuclear weapons were used in a war. Let us hope such an event never happens again.
Last week, I saw an article talking about the ten countries one could move to avoid the terror of a nuclear war. Let me give you my choice of shelter from a nuclear holocaust. It is the town of El Calafate (The Spanish translation is a place to take shelter from the wind.), Santa Cruz Province, Argentina. It is deep in Patagonia. If you put it in Canada, it would be close to the Arctic Circle. One would expect frigid Arctic temperatures. The climate is quite similar to San Francisco, with some winter nights getting as cold as Houston. This charming town of 20,000 sits right on a huge freshwater lake. The countryside around the town is arid with scrub brush. One would never have a forest fire. There are no earthquakes. There are no volcanoes in the area. The town is full of charming restaurants and cafes.
Let us see how Grok Artificial Intelligence graded my choice:

How would the residents of El Calafate, Argentina, be affected by a nuclear war between Russia and the US?
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A nuclear war between Russia and the United States would have profound global consequences, and while El Calafate, Argentina, is far from the primary conflict zones, its residents would still face significant indirect effects. Below is an analysis of how such a scenario could impact this small Patagonian town, based on available information and the likely global repercussions of such a conflict.
Immediate Effects Direct Attack Unlikely: El Calafate, a remote town in Santa Cruz Province with a population of around 20,000, is not a strategic target for nuclear strikes. Major targets in a U.S.-Russia nuclear war would likely include military bases, industrial centers, and population hubs in the Northern Hemisphere, such as U.S. cities, Russian cities, and NATO countries. Argentina has no nuclear weapons and is not part of NATO or any military alliance likely to be targeted directly, so El Calafate would almost certainly avoid direct attack or immediate radioactive fallout from initial strikes.icanw.orghalcyonmaps.comnti.org Limited Initial Fallout: The Southern Hemisphere, including Argentina, would experience less immediate radioactive fallout due to its distance from likely detonation sites in the Northern Hemisphere. Atmospheric circulation patterns mean that most fallout would initially concentrate in the Northern Hemisphere. However, some fallout could eventually spread globally over weeks or months, depending on wind patterns and the scale of the conflict.reddit.com Medium- to Long-Term Effects Nuclear Winter and Climate Disruption: A full-scale nuclear war could inject massive amounts of soot into the stratosphere, causing a "nuclear winter." This would block sunlight, leading to global cooling and a significant drop in temperatures. Studies estimate a 90% reduction in global caloric production within 3–4 years in a worst-case U.S.-Russia nuclear war scenario, with mid- to high-latitude regions (like Patagonia) seeing crop yield reductions of 30–86%.nature.comcordis.europa.eu El Calafate’s cold, windy climate and reliance on agriculture (via regional production) would make it vulnerable to these changes. Local farming, already limited by the harsh Patagonian environment, could collapse, leading to food shortages. The town’s tourism-driven economy, heavily dependent on visitors to nearby Los Glaciares National Park, would also suffer as global travel would likely halt.

Food Insecurity and Famine: A 2022 study in Nature Food suggests that a U.S.-Russia nuclear war could lead to over 5 billion deaths globally, primarily from famine due to reduced crop, livestock, and fishery production. Argentina, while a major agricultural producer (e.g., wheat, soy, beef), would face challenges:nature.comcordis.europa.eu Disrupted Exports and Imports: Argentina relies on global trade for fertilizers (95% of nitrogen and 75% of phosphate needs are imported, often from Russia or the U.S.). A nuclear war would disrupt these supply chains, crippling agricultural output.reddit.com Local Impact: El Calafate, dependent on regional food supplies, would face shortages as Argentina’s export-focused agriculture prioritizes global markets or urban centers like Buenos Aires. Residents might struggle to access staples, and prices would likely skyrocket. The study notes that even countries like Argentina, which grow resistant crops like wheat, would face mass food shortages, with adaptation measures (e.g., reducing food waste) offering limited relief.nature.com Economic Collapse: The global economy would crash due to the destruction of major economic centers in the U.S., Russia, and allied nations. El Calafate’s economy, heavily reliant on tourism, would be devastated as international travel ceases and global demand for Argentine exports (e.g., beef, grains) plummets.reddit.com. Local businesses, such as hotels, restaurants, and tour operators, would face closure, leading to unemployment and economic hardship for residents. The town’s isolation could exacerbate these issues, as resupplying goods (fuel, medicine, etc.) would become difficult. Environmental and Health Impacts: Over time, radioactive fallout could reach the Southern Hemisphere, contaminating soil, water, and food supplies. While not as severe as in the Northern Hemisphere, low-level radiation could increase cancer rates and other health issues in El
Calafate.reddit.comicanw.org

The collapse of global healthcare supply chains (e.g., for medicines or equipment) would strain Argentina’s healthcare system, leaving El Calafate’s medical facilities under-resourced to handle any increased disease burden. Social and Political Instability: A global crisis of this magnitude could destabilize governments worldwide, including Argentina’s. Resource scarcity (food, fuel, etc.) might lead to social unrest, particularly in urban centers, which could indirectly affect El Calafate through disrupted supply chains or government services.quora.com The town’s isolation might offer some protection from urban unrest, but its dependence on national infrastructure (e.g., power, transport) would make it vulnerable to breakdowns in governance. Potential Mitigating Factors Geographic Isolation: El Calafate’s remote location in Patagonia, near the Andes, could shield it from some fallout due to the rainshadow effect, which might reduce radioactive deposition. Its distance from major conflict zones makes it a relatively "safer" place compared to Northern Hemisphere cities.reddit.com Agricultural Potential: Argentina’s wheat production could help buffer food shortages if prioritized for domestic use, though distribution to remote areas like El Calafate would be a challenge.theweek.com Non-Nuclear Status: Argentina’s commitment to nuclear non-proliferation (e.g., via the Treaty of Tlatelolco and the Non-Proliferation Treaty) ensures it is unlikely to be drawn into the conflict directly, reducing the risk of targeted strikes.nti.orgicanw.org Critical Perspective While some sources suggest Argentina could be among the "safest" places due to its Southern Hemisphere location and agricultural capacity, this view oversimplifies the global interconnectedness of economies and food systems. The notion of any place being truly "safe" ignores the cascading effects of nuclear winter, supply chain collapse, and societal disruption. El Calafate’s small size and isolation might delay some impacts, but its dependence on tourism and external supplies would make it highly vulnerable in the long term. theweek.comnewsweek.com

Conclusion: Residents of El Calafate would likely avoid immediate destruction from a U.S.-Russia nuclear war but would face severe challenges from nuclear winter, food insecurity, economic collapse, and potential long-term radiation exposure. The town’s isolation and Argentina’s agricultural capacity might mitigate some effects, but the global nature of the crisis would still bring significant hardship. Preventing such a conflict through global cooperation remains critical, as no region, including El Calafate, would be immune to the consequences.cordis.europa.eu
Be careful out there!
Stay "Far from the madding crowd."

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2   FortWayneHatesRealtors   2025 Jul 28, 9:00pm  

there won’t be a nuclear war.
3   RayAmerica   2025 Jul 29, 7:52am  

I trust my Government. Even though some may consider that this advice to be a little old I don't accept that and neither should you.

If this advice is wrong, why would the Government lie? What was true back then is true today. (And Jeffrey Epstein did in fact kill himself and there are no files and there were no crimes recorded on those "tens of thousands of videos" because the Government says so)

Duck & Cover by Bert the Turtle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKqXu-5jw60
5   stereotomy   2025 Jul 29, 11:49am  

@MolotovCocktail and @PeopleUnited - Bravo on the counter trolling.
6   MolotovCocktail   2025 Jul 29, 11:57am  

stereotomy says


MolotovCocktail and PeopleUnited - Bravo on the counter trolling.


It's too damn easy to troll ohomo.
7   stereotomy   2025 Jul 29, 12:14pm  

MolotovCocktail says

stereotomy says


MolotovCocktail and PeopleUnited - Bravo on the counter trolling.


It's top damn easy to troll ohomo.

Yes, but I'm glad that others are stepping up.
8   MolotovCocktail   2025 Aug 5, 9:55pm  

stereotomy says

MolotovCocktail says


stereotomy says



MolotovCocktail and PeopleUnited - Bravo on the counter trolling.


It's top damn easy to troll ohomo.


Yes, but I'm glad that others are stepping up.


@stereotomy


9   Ceffer   2025 Aug 6, 12:39am  

Might get some good tips from "American Horror Story: Apocalypse".





10   clambo   2025 Aug 6, 4:53am  

I always thought I would be safe down in Baja Sur Mexico if there were a nuke exchange between "the United Snakes and....them."

But lately I wonder; in the La Paz Walmart I see a lot of USA agricultural products.

I'm old enough to remember having nuclear war drills in school.

The Twilight Zone had several episodes about a post apocalyptic world, so I was always a little afraid when I was a kid.

My favorite phrase was "Nuclear Megadeath" from those days; I think later a rock group grabbed that for their name.

"You can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Dr. Strangelove.
11   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2025 Aug 6, 10:10pm  

1.) you need to be rich

2.) you need a good getaway plan. Helicopter or plane ideally. 4 WD vehicle and a good stock of fuel and water, along with firearms less optimally.

Central and eastern nevada are fucking desolate. I mean nobody lives there. No one. Get off the paved roads and human population is non existent. There’s mountain ranges running north south continually across the state as you go east west and even though it’s the Great Basin, these all get water in the winter because every range has mountains that are 11,000+ ft in elevation. These also will provided barriers from whatever fallout and radiation would come from Area 51 being nailed hard.

But you won’t survive a homestead life here. Conditions are brutal. How you dig a well, install a cesspool, and build the underground bunker without being seen by satellites? I have no idea. If that’s not a concern then you don’t need to be all that rich. Easier escape routes to here if you live in Las Vegas though you’ll need to beat everyone else out of town since parts of the first 100 miles of state highway 93 are not passable going off-road.

The areas I’m talking about are generally between about tonopah all the way into the very western part of Utah, generally 100 miles to the north and south the whole way. It’s a massive area with very few towns except on interstate 80, high you wouldn’t want to be near anyway. The towns that are in the area range from small to minuscule with Ely probably the largest. Others are Austin, Eureka, Baker, Lund, and Hiko.
12   AD   2025 Aug 6, 11:00pm  

you would need to be able to wait it out for at least 100 years (it goes beyond the current generations)

so start at the top of needs which is clean air, clean water, food, shelter and health care

not sure if you can create a self-sustaining aquaculture and hydroponics as part of this

and you would need to be safe there from outsiders who present harm or danger so plenty of ammo even if cheap 22LR ammo as first line of defense then use heavier caliber 9 mm and 223 remington

and yes I say future generations as it should not be viewed as surviving as long as you can, but also trying to create a future human race that rebuilds after this
13   MolotovCocktail   2025 Aug 6, 11:36pm  

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

Central and eastern nevada are fucking desolate. I mean nobody lives there. No one


But the fallout from California will sweep right across much of Nevada. Any nuke 120kt or less produces mostly local fallout. Very little of the crap goes up into the stratosphere. Any nukes bigger than that - like the 50mt ones the Chinese use - will go up and over the Sierras and over most of Nevada.
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14   Bd6r   2025 Aug 7, 1:35am  

If you are not in a big city and not close to a military base which will be nuked, and have a basement you can live in for a week or so you will be fine as radioactivity decays extremely rapidly - https://remm.hhs.gov/nuclearfallout.htm. A minor caveat is that 137Cs decays to iodine slowly so need iodine supplement tablets.

The issue will be looting and desperate diverse populations after the strike. A countryside or small town property with reliable and armed neighbors, enough acreage to feed you, and access to water without electricity will be sufficient. But hopefully all of that remains a theory.
15   WookieMan   2025 Aug 7, 3:41am  

Bd6r says

If you are not in a big city and not close to a military base which will be nuked, and have a basement you can live in for a week or so you will be fine as radioactivity decays extremely rapidly - https://remm.hhs.gov/nuclearfallout.htm. A minor caveat is that 137Cs decays to iodine slowly so need iodine supplement tablets.

Iowa would be my destination of choice. Closest nuke silos are the Dakotas and Montana. No big cities worth nuking. Denver or Colorado Springs probably the closest to the west.

As long as there is fuel they'll still grow corn, have livestock and you don't have many neighbors so crime looting would be minimal. Water, MRE's, fuel and Starlink you'd be just fine. Most Iowa homes have a basement as well. Also have beer brewing gear or if you're into hard stuff moonshine. Your life will be miserable so might as well be buzzed and it's a hobby to pass time.
16   MolotovCocktail   2025 Aug 7, 11:06am  

Bd6r says

If you are not in a big city and not close to a military base which will be nuked, and have a basement you can live in for a week or so you will be fine as radioactivity decays extremely rapidly - https://remm.hhs.gov/nuclearfallout.htm. A minor caveat is that 137Cs decays to iodine slowly so need iodine supplement tablets


Irradiated metals like jewelry, cans, automobiles, etc. can stay radioactive for much longer, tho.

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