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Good.

Scammer is all talk and never gonna do shit

#winning

Yay! No reason for supplanting our native technological sons with foreign drones!

I agree--that is good.. Hope he does more than consider it.

I'm for. I got in, now keep the rest out! Preserve my competitive advantage over the aboriginals.

HappyGilmore says

I agree--that is good.. Hope he does more than consider it.

me and Joey agree on something!!!

lostand confused says

me and Joey agree on something!!!

I suspect we agree on a lot actually

Good!

FP says

I'm for. I got in, now keep the rest out! Preserve my competitive advantage over the aboriginals.

I've subsidized the fuck out of Tech and R&D for the benefit of my offspring. Not the benefit of foreigners who are used by multinationals to keep wages down.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

I've subsidized the fuck out of Tech and R&D

Thank you for your subsidies. Really. I am also thankful to the folks back in the old country who subsidizes my upbringing and education (they are upset I left). Who should I be more thankful to?

Nice. You might see silicon valley turn red from all the laid off tech workers.

Gosh, I am the only one here who disagrees. My question to you all is......how can it be good throwing out people who pay into our social security, and keeping in people who don't? Shouldn't it be the other way round?

Strategist says

how can it be good throwing out people who pay into our social security, and keeping in people who don't?

The latter do dirty, hard work that nobody wants for minimal pay - almost free work. And everybody knows that Americans love free stuff!

The former take good paying jobs from our children. Our children are entitled to these jobs, 'cause we pay taxes! And as you must know, in America everything is for the taxpayer. Everything that exists is a product of the taxpayer. The taxpayer must be respected. Taxpayer - how proud that sounds!

anon_0ec66 says

Thank you for your subsidies. Really. I am also thankful to the folks back in the old country who subsidizes my upbringing and education (they are upset I left). Who should I be more thankful to?

Beats Me. People agree to give taxes to private industry in order to provide future good-paying jobs to their children.

The Social Contract shouldn't be ripped up by the beneficiaries of tons of subsidies in order to knock down wages.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

People agree to give taxes to private industry in order to provide future good-paying jobs to their children.

But by bringing already grown up and educated people from abroad "people" pay less taxes in subsidizing child upbringing in this country.

Strategist, you are not alone in your thinking. The most important effect of H1B is brain drain on the potential peer-competitors; i.e. Russia, China and India losing their smartest engineers to the US. If we don't get another way of importing IQ>120 brains, capital will go overseas to fund companies in those countries . . . and people in the US will be much less secure as those smart people stay in their home countries and work for their governments/militaries. While we here are recently gradually drifting away from the spirit of 1776 (the year when both Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations and Jefferson's Declaration of Independence were published), most of those old-world countries are fundamentally pre-Smithian mercantilistic socialistic central planners and war-mongers.

The real problem with taxpayers being drafted into subsidizing particular industries is two fold: the forcible tax collection (robbery under another name) and the subsidy (corruption under another name). Do government subsidies ever bring better result in any industry? Hardly: government subsidies in the form of public education produce illiteracy and innumeracy; government subsidies on higher education send millions IQ<120 kids into taking on debt slavery "studying" religions like AGW and SJW; government subsidies on big science wasted a generation of scientists on political projects like the moon shot.

FP says

Strategist says

how can it be good throwing out people who pay into our social security, and keeping in people who don't?

The latter do dirty, hard work that nobody wants for minimal pay - almost free work. And everybody knows that Americans love free stuff!

The former take good paying jobs from our children. Our children are entitled to these jobs, 'cause we pay taxes! And as you must know, in America everything is for the taxpayer. Everything that exists is a product of the taxpayer. The taxpayer must be respected. Taxpayer - how proud that sounds!

We have a surplus of of low skilled people. We have a shortage of skilled workers. We need skilled workers who pay into the system, and not unskilled people who drain funds from our system.

Strategist says

We have a shortage of skilled workers

BS, we don't.

Satoshi_Nakamoto says

Strategist says

We have a shortage of skilled workers

BS, we don't.

We only have a shortage of people who are willing to pay decent wages. If they could push everyone down to minimum wage, they would.

FortWayne says

Satoshi_Nakamoto says

Strategist says

We have a shortage of skilled workers

BS, we don't.

We only have a shortage of people who are willing to pay decent wages. If they could push everyone down to minimum wage, they would.

Lets think logically and not emotionally.
We are the world's largest producer of technology. Both, China and India are producing more STEM professionals. How can we not have have a shortage of skilled STEM professionals? How are we gonna remain number one in technology if we don't produce the right talent?

Strategist says

s. How can we not have have a shortage of skilled STEM professionals?

Because it only takes a few great people to produce amazing results in technology. Millions of Indian IT workers decrease productivity instead of increase it by complicating what can be done simply. That's why last year was huge for layoffs in India.

Reality says

China and India losing their smartest engineers to the US.

Ha! As of lately, the Chinese come, learn, and go back to China. Even worse, the Chinese have set these centers where they invite foreign scientists to work for periods of time (sometimes a few months, sometimes years). The foreigners pass on to the Chinese all the expertise they have + help them set up their labs. In a few years when they are no longer needed, they will be gone. I have a few colleagues and friends earning second salaries during the summers this way.

The US government needs to wake up to the fact China is a competitor and a potential future enemy.

Lots of concern from H1B at the biotech I work at. Trying to apply for, "The lottery!", asap.

Big proportion of foreigners in biotechs.

I see my industry slipping away quickly to China for reasons mentioned above (from all sides) AND their lack of regs on stem-cell, human genetic mods etc.

I've heard wall street sucks up our bestest STEM grads. Did meet one guy who wrote code for a hedge fund when I was in the bay area. He couldn't legally trade stock and had to get up early for the market opening. Didn't stay on the West coast long.

some people here obviously don't work in STEM. only 20% of H1B visa people are smarter than the average STEM workers, 20% more are the ones needed to meet demand (but not smarter) but the rest 60% are actually dumber and they are only brought here to bring down wages.