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DOGEWontAmountToShit says

Its about management of people/society, as Edward Bernays, the pioneer and author of modern Propaganda said.

Booger says

Careful there, @Booger ->> https://patrick.net/comment?comment_id=2130306

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

The National Science Foundation published a secret report in the late 80s TRYING to push down the cost of PostDocs... H1B was the result.

Patrick says

American born and trained engineers are substantially better. One friend is retiring in January. He's got nationally recognized projects in road building.

The Hoover dam is just cool though. Been there about 5-6 times. Did the tour inside as a kid. Was there when the new bridge was being built. I can't even comprehend the engineering behind that build. Needed to be done though. I wasn't driving, but I can at least say I rode across the top of it in a car.

Aren't most H1B's tech sector anyway? I haven't met a infrastructure engineer from India or China. I know one Asian in that field, but he's an American citizen.

This cannot be America, this cannot be happening in America, no American can participate in this and call himself/herself American. If President Trump cares (he has already spoken in support of H1B), he should shut down H1B on January 20th and then revisit the program with Elon, Homan, Vivek etc.

WookieMan says

Aren't most H1B's tech sector anyway?

Tons in biotech.They can work as academic slave labor, but are always trying to get industry to sponsor them for a better paying job. Industry does not need them. There are plenty of qualified citizens looking for work.

WookieMan says

Aren't most H1B's tech sector anyway?

Nope. Because there isn't just a defined concentrated 'tech sector' anymore.

Like IT. H1B visa abuse is rife in an average non-tech sector firm's IT department. Famous case was a bunch of Disney parks IT folks forced to train their H1B replacements then shit canned.

There are IT departments in agriculture, retail, real estate, etc. now. And they all abuse the H1B bullshit.

The historical parallels with Roman plebes getting the can after Roman elites flooded the country with skilled slaves (nobody gave a rat's ass about the unskilled labor coming in - not even the plebians) are amazing to what is happening today.

BTW, the 13th Amendment banned indentured servitude as well as slavery.

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

And the H1B relationship is classic indentured servitude.

Most Indians are smarter dirtier versions of Hispanics but for tech sectors. Lowering wages across the board, then only bring in their own kind with their own culture.

It's straight up exploitation on all sides and needs to end.

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

BTW, the 13th Amendment banned indentured servitude as well as slavery.

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

And the H1B relationship is classic indentured servitude.

If this somehow ends up in front of SCOTUS the shit is open and shut. The question is how can it happen.

Maga_Chaos_Monkey says

It took me less than 20 minutes to skim the whole thing. I didn't find anything about requirement for digital ID there. It relies on user reporting to determine who's minor and who's not and set the platform policies accordingly.

That "TheQuartering" cunt is stirring up shit for some purpose.

Open Borders and H1Bs are Mr. Potters latest schemes to stop Bailey.


"Liquidation for Thee, Big Bailouts for Me!" - Club for Potter's Growth

AmericanKulak says

He's lying about "80hr weeks".

"Pay your taxes so South Asian Children can have a better future and your kids have to compete internationally just to get an entry level job after finishing $80k college degree in STEM!"

RWSGFY says

He's lying about "80hr weeks".

Of course he is. And 80hrs a week counting your money and figuring how to make more != putting the silver wrappers on Hershey Kisses at the factory for 80hours.

The former is a lot more fun and enjoyable.

RWSGFY says

If this somehow ends up in front of SCOTUS the shit is open and shut. The question is how can it happen.

I looked it up. Legal definition of indentured servitude is a contract to work for a single employer for a predetermined period without pay.

They are paid, so they are not IS.

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

RWSGFY says

If this somehow ends up in front of SCOTUS the shit is open and shut. The question is how can it happen.

I looked it up. Legal definition of indentured servitude is a contract to work for a single employer for a predetermined period without pay.

They are paid, so they are not IS.

These pesky definitions!

Cow Dung is to some Indians the way Camel Urine is to Arabs the same way that Crystal Geodes are to Liberal Arts White Women.

RWSGFY says

He's lying about "80hr weeks".

Likely lying. Depends on the work as well. I'd have no problem sitting at a computer or talking to people for 80 hours a week. I did it. Life is miserable and you get burned out mentally. A blue collar job, hell no. Not happening outside of a one off week during a job deadline. Your body would shut down if you did that for 4-6 weeks. Something like concrete labor.

Indians as far as H1B are weird though. They'll just work 12-14 hours, but talk on the phone all the time. I can't recall ever going into an Indian run gas station where they weren't talking on the phone with someone. Usually on speaker. I'm guessing it's the same in IT/tech with them. Ear buds in just talking to one of the 1B plus buddies back home.

WookieMan says

Indians as far as H1B are weird though. They'll just work 12-14 hours, but talk on the phone all the time. I can't recall ever going into an Indian run gas station where they weren't talking on the phone with someone. Usually on speaker. I'm guessing it's the same in IT/tech with them. Ear buds in just talking to one of the 1B plus buddies back home.

This is what I've heard from several IT managers in the 90s and 2000s. They spend at least half the time on the phone, probably getting instructions from their cousin back in South Asia how to do the job they were hired to do.

AmericanKulak says

$80k college degree in STEM

Please tell me where you can get a 4-year STEM degree for a mere $80k.

HeadSet says

AmericanKulak says

$80k college degree in STEM

Please tell me where you can get a 4-year STEM degree for a mere $80k.

Dislike unions, but apprenticeships are the way to go. At the end of the day you have to do the job. I don't need to know about Anthropology if my goal is to be an engineer. While an interesting topic, it does nothing to advance civilization or our nation. I can just read that in my free time.

College should be two years industry related. Instead of 9 hours bull shit and 3 hours of what you majored in, just do 12-15 on the field you want to get into. Get through the pipeline faster so you can do what you want and help grow the economy in some fashion.

HeadSet says

AmericanKulak says

$80k college degree in STEM

Please tell me where you can get a 4-year STEM degree for a mere $80k.

Can be done easily if you had good grades and not taking out loans for 100% of your living expenses.

WookieMan says

Dislike unions, but apprenticeships are the way to go.

Makes too much sense, can't do it in US like Germany can.

HeadSet says

AmericanKulak says

$80k college degree in STEM

Please tell me where you can get a 4-year STEM degree for a mere $80k.

Easy in CA: start with 2 years in community college (essentially free if living with parents) and then transfer to one of the less prestigious UC or CSU schools (like UC Merced or Cal Poly Humboldt) where you'd pay less than $40K per year, room and board included.

RWSGFY says

Easy in CA: start with 2 years in community college (essentially free if living with parents) and then transfer to one of the less prestigious UC or CSU schools (like UC Merced or Cal Poly Humboldt) where you'd pay less than $40K per year, room and board included.

Which year!
https://financialaid.ucmerced.edu/cost-attendance
Undergraduates who first enroll in Fall 2024
On-Campus, Off-Campus, At-Home
Food & Housing $21,446, $13,000, $8,020
Totals $43,954,$37,044,$32,322
Non-Residential Total $78,154,$71,244,$66,522
Actually it costs $27K/room for 3 room dorms as per a parent who sends his kid there!

The US Navy can recruit white teenagers at 18, give them an IQ test, and then have them acting as a technician on a hidden nuclear reactor UNDER THE SEA, by 20-21.

Yet supposedly there's no way to recruit and train them to do coding work that an Indian does for 60-100k
https://x.com/FromKulak/status/1873284724057358646

(No Relation)

Excellent point.

The Starliner had a massive city's worth of H1Bs + Indian Techs doing all the coding and much of the CAD work that Americans wouldn't do for the price Boeing wanted to pay them while it pocketed hundreds of millions in American taxpayer subsidies and breaks. It's first flight flubbed the orbit and now it's stuck to the ISS.

RWSGFY says

Easy in CA: start with 2 years in community college

Yes, doing 2 years in community college would cut down the bill somewhat. I am not a resident of CA so no free tuition and my kid does not qualify for any needs based grants. I did suggest a local CC until she figured out what she wanted, but she wanted the "away from home" experience and the wife agreed so viola, $120k for the four years.

WookieMan says

Dislike unions, but apprenticeships are the way to go.

Imagine in US Programmers had been more smart and less Heinleinian in the 90s, and started a Pro Association where State & Fed Gov demanded only licensed, Pro-Association accredited programmers could be contractors.

Funny thing, the people most bitchy about H1Bs not being harmful are General Dynamics, Lockheed, Navy Yard, Picatinny Arsenal, Civ DoD, etc. Defense-related employees who by law are protected from foreigners competing for their jobs. Yes, yes, very rarely some British sonar expert or jet engine genius gets a rare exemption that takes a year to clear with DoD/FBI background checks. But a drop in the bucket.

"Let Indians come from your Microsoft job, nevermind the way I'm protected by law from Indians working on the engines of Navy Ships I service at Newport News!"

Blue says

RWSGFY says

Easy in CA: start with 2 years in community college (essentially free if living with parents) and then transfer to one of the less prestigious UC or CSU schools (like UC Merced or Cal Poly Humboldt) where you'd pay less than $40K per year, room and board included.

Which year!
https://financialaid.ucmerced.edu/cost-attendance
Undergraduates who first enroll in Fall 2024
On-Campus, Off-Campus, At-Home
Food & Housing $21,446, $13,000, $8,020
Totals $43,954,$37,044,$32,322
Non-Residential Total $78,154,$71,244,$66,522
Actually it costs $27K/room for 3 room dorms as per a parent who sends his kid there!

If you are not CA resident UC system is a total rip-off.