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AD
2019 Mar 30, 2:05pm
AD
2019 Mar 30, 2:05pm
ChiCom's plan to be the only superpower by 2049.
https://www.amazon.com/Hundred-Year-Marathon-Strategy-Replace-Superpower/dp/1250081343
https://www.amazon.com/Hundred-Year-Marathon-Strategy-Replace-Superpower/dp/1250081343
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DemoralizerOfPanicans
2022 Nov 24, 2:38am
DemoralizerOfPanicans
2022 Nov 24, 2:38am
Phoneconn workers fight cops during strike at Apple 19th Century Sweatshop.
https://odysee.com/@YoungCoconutMusic:a/foxconn-iphone-zhengzhou:c
https://odysee.com/@YoungCoconutMusic:a/foxconn-iphone-zhengzhou:c
190
Al_Sharpton_for_President
2023 Aug 20, 3:20pm
Al_Sharpton_for_President
2023 Aug 20, 3:20pm
China's post-pandemic rebound hasn't materialized and it faces mounting economic obstacles.
Beijing is grappling with declining trade and foreign investment, a shaky housing market, and deflation.
Experts say most of China's issues are self-inflicted, and warn that policies must change to improve confidence.
The world's second-largest economy isn't growing, producing, or trading as much as it usually does.
The pandemic rebound that China and the rest of the world were anticipating has yet to materialize, and official data suggests there's a long road ahead before the economy is back on its feet.
China's National Bureau of Statistics announced Wednesday that consumer prices dropped annually in July for the first time in two years, dipping 0.3%, just slightly better than median estimates for a 0.4% decrease.
The People's Bank of China is now facing the opposite problem of the Federal Reserve, which has tightened policy for 18 months in a bid to tame soaring prices. Deflation — the trend of prices falling throughout the economy — presents a particularly dangerous trajectory for China, which carries a massive amount of debt.
"Deflation means the real value of debt goes up," David Dollar, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institute's China center, told Insider. "High inflation we know is bad, but it does help manage debt burdens over time. Deflation does the opposite."
Bloomberg estimates total household, business, and government debt at about 282% of annual economic output.
The latest figures add to the anxiety that's already been swirling about what growth could look like for the rest of the year, and JPMorgan strategists cautioned that China risks a 1990s-style "Japanification" if policymakers don't address the housing market, financial imbalances, and aging demographics.
Officials in Beijing have urged experts not to portray data unfavorably, according to the Financial Times, asking economists to "interpret bad news from a positive light."
The numbers make this difficult:
Year-to-date, China's exports are down 5% compared to last year, while imports have dipped 7.6%
Manufacturing activity has contracted for four straight months
July exports declined at the sharpest rate in three years, at 14.5% annually
"Before the pandemic, China was growing at about 6%, and now it's struggling to recover," Dollar said. "Consumption really didn't hold up coming out of the lockdown. The main components of GDP on the demand side — consumption, investment, net exports — they all have serious problems right now."
Politicization of the economy
Increasingly, China's US-led Western trade partners have turned elsewhere. Global demand for Chinese goods has cooled, even as Russia ramps up trade with Asia amid its war in Ukraine.
The US Census Bureau reported Chinese exports to the US dropped 23.7% in June, hitting a six-month low of $42.7 billion. That reflects both the Biden Administration's "de-risking efforts," as well as a general pullback in spending as central banks around the world raise interest rates.
Near-shoring trends have also picked up since the pandemic. Mexico, for example, has emerged as America's new biggest trade partner, blowing past China with US bilateral trade totaling $263 billion through the first four months of the year.
Dexter Roberts, author of "The Myth of Chinese Capitalism" and a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council, told Insider that much of Beijing's troubles stem from its politicization of its economy.
Embedding Communist Party members in corporations and prioritizing state-run firms, he said, has dragged on domestic productivity, spooked the private sector, and made the country less attractive for foreign investment.
"A lot of companies now feel China isn't the market of the future," Roberts said.
To that point, China's foreign investment gauge plummeted to a 25-year low in the second quarter.
A shaky property market
Most of China's economic troubles tie directly into its property market.
China was able to skirt deflation in 2009 and 2012 on the heels of the global financial crisis, but today's housing market complicates policymakers' current battle.
Notwithstanding recent price declines, property values have appreciated dramatically since 2009, and fiscal stimulus measures may not have the same impact as before. China's allowed developers to over-build, and now the inventory glut has crippled major developers.
Last week, Country Garden Holdings — once China's largest developer by sales — failed to make millions of dollars' worth of coupon payments on its bonds, and it anticipates reporting enormous first-half losses.
Similarly in July, Chinese developer Evergrande, which made headlines in 2021 with a massive debt default, recorded a two-year $81 billion loss.
Real estate accounts for about one-fifth of the country's economy, and the sector's headwinds include hefty debt and weak demand from homebuyers. Home transaction volumes across 330 cities in China cratered 19.2% year-over-year in June, according to a Beike Research Institute study, and values have dropped 23.4%.
The slump helps explain China's weak second-quarter GDP, which came in lower than expected at 6.3%.
"Housing prices are going down, so people aren't making purchases," Roberts said. "So much of people's wealth is tied up in the property sector, so when they see values go down, they decide to save for the future and not spend. The Chinese government won't be able to lift the property sector without that confidence."
The long tail of China's one-child policy
Even if Beijing could somehow remedy its other issues, years of a one-child policy may have long ago crippled its economy for decades.
In 2022, the population shrank for the first time since 1961, and the consulting firm Terry Group said the country is on pace to lose nearly half its population by 2100.
But it's not just population decline that weakens China. It's the climbing proportion of elderly people.
In 1990, 5% of Chinese people were 65 or older. That's at 14% today, and could surge to 30% by 2050, per Terry Group. By their estimate, China could lose an average of 7 million working-age adults each year by the next decade.
Already, working-age couples have to support aging parents, education costs for children are climbing, and confidence in the economy is low.
For China to have a shot at improving demographic conditions, experts say Beijing will have to unwind its long-standing household registration system. The policy, which dates back to the 1950s, makes rural-to-urban migration unfavorable and difficult, as it ties social welfare benefits to where people are born.
Roughly a quarter of China's population works in agriculture — well above the 3% mark in the US — and that presents its own productivity limitations.
"I'm skeptical they'll do it, but if Beijing did away with household registration, it would mean a large portion of the Chinese population that's treated as second-class citizens would start to spend more, have more confidence in the future, and drive more productivity across the economy," Roberts said.
Rocky decade ahead
China's laundry list of issues point to a rocky decade ahead.
From an unstable, debt-ridden property market to anti-business policies and demographic issues, Beijing has plenty to tackle if it hopes to match the same growth as decades past.
Geopolitical hurdles involving the US, Russia, and other trade partners present further headaches for President Xi Jinping, but experts say the focus should be on domestic issues.
For Dollar, he expects China to eke out 5% growth this year, as Beijing forecasts, but without financial or demographic reforms, growth could hover closer to 3% for the next decade.
https://www.businessinsider.com/china-economy-deflation-markets-property-real-estate-housing-beijing-2023-8?op=1
Beijing is grappling with declining trade and foreign investment, a shaky housing market, and deflation.
Experts say most of China's issues are self-inflicted, and warn that policies must change to improve confidence.
The world's second-largest economy isn't growing, producing, or trading as much as it usually does.
The pandemic rebound that China and the rest of the world were anticipating has yet to materialize, and official data suggests there's a long road ahead before the economy is back on its feet.
China's National Bureau of Statistics announced Wednesday that consumer prices dropped annually in July for the first time in two years, dipping 0.3%, just slightly better than median estimates for a 0.4% decrease.
The People's Bank of China is now facing the opposite problem of the Federal Reserve, which has tightened policy for 18 months in a bid to tame soaring prices. Deflation — the trend of prices falling throughout the economy — presents a particularly dangerous trajectory for China, which carries a massive amount of debt.
"Deflation means the real value of debt goes up," David Dollar, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institute's China center, told Insider. "High inflation we know is bad, but it does help manage debt burdens over time. Deflation does the opposite."
Bloomberg estimates total household, business, and government debt at about 282% of annual economic output.
The latest figures add to the anxiety that's already been swirling about what growth could look like for the rest of the year, and JPMorgan strategists cautioned that China risks a 1990s-style "Japanification" if policymakers don't address the housing market, financial imbalances, and aging demographics.
Officials in Beijing have urged experts not to portray data unfavorably, according to the Financial Times, asking economists to "interpret bad news from a positive light."
The numbers make this difficult:
Year-to-date, China's exports are down 5% compared to last year, while imports have dipped 7.6%
Manufacturing activity has contracted for four straight months
July exports declined at the sharpest rate in three years, at 14.5% annually
"Before the pandemic, China was growing at about 6%, and now it's struggling to recover," Dollar said. "Consumption really didn't hold up coming out of the lockdown. The main components of GDP on the demand side — consumption, investment, net exports — they all have serious problems right now."
Politicization of the economy
Increasingly, China's US-led Western trade partners have turned elsewhere. Global demand for Chinese goods has cooled, even as Russia ramps up trade with Asia amid its war in Ukraine.
The US Census Bureau reported Chinese exports to the US dropped 23.7% in June, hitting a six-month low of $42.7 billion. That reflects both the Biden Administration's "de-risking efforts," as well as a general pullback in spending as central banks around the world raise interest rates.
Near-shoring trends have also picked up since the pandemic. Mexico, for example, has emerged as America's new biggest trade partner, blowing past China with US bilateral trade totaling $263 billion through the first four months of the year.
Dexter Roberts, author of "The Myth of Chinese Capitalism" and a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council, told Insider that much of Beijing's troubles stem from its politicization of its economy.
Embedding Communist Party members in corporations and prioritizing state-run firms, he said, has dragged on domestic productivity, spooked the private sector, and made the country less attractive for foreign investment.
"A lot of companies now feel China isn't the market of the future," Roberts said.
To that point, China's foreign investment gauge plummeted to a 25-year low in the second quarter.
A shaky property market
Most of China's economic troubles tie directly into its property market.
China was able to skirt deflation in 2009 and 2012 on the heels of the global financial crisis, but today's housing market complicates policymakers' current battle.
Notwithstanding recent price declines, property values have appreciated dramatically since 2009, and fiscal stimulus measures may not have the same impact as before. China's allowed developers to over-build, and now the inventory glut has crippled major developers.
Last week, Country Garden Holdings — once China's largest developer by sales — failed to make millions of dollars' worth of coupon payments on its bonds, and it anticipates reporting enormous first-half losses.
Similarly in July, Chinese developer Evergrande, which made headlines in 2021 with a massive debt default, recorded a two-year $81 billion loss.
Real estate accounts for about one-fifth of the country's economy, and the sector's headwinds include hefty debt and weak demand from homebuyers. Home transaction volumes across 330 cities in China cratered 19.2% year-over-year in June, according to a Beike Research Institute study, and values have dropped 23.4%.
The slump helps explain China's weak second-quarter GDP, which came in lower than expected at 6.3%.
"Housing prices are going down, so people aren't making purchases," Roberts said. "So much of people's wealth is tied up in the property sector, so when they see values go down, they decide to save for the future and not spend. The Chinese government won't be able to lift the property sector without that confidence."
The long tail of China's one-child policy
Even if Beijing could somehow remedy its other issues, years of a one-child policy may have long ago crippled its economy for decades.
In 2022, the population shrank for the first time since 1961, and the consulting firm Terry Group said the country is on pace to lose nearly half its population by 2100.
But it's not just population decline that weakens China. It's the climbing proportion of elderly people.
In 1990, 5% of Chinese people were 65 or older. That's at 14% today, and could surge to 30% by 2050, per Terry Group. By their estimate, China could lose an average of 7 million working-age adults each year by the next decade.
Already, working-age couples have to support aging parents, education costs for children are climbing, and confidence in the economy is low.
For China to have a shot at improving demographic conditions, experts say Beijing will have to unwind its long-standing household registration system. The policy, which dates back to the 1950s, makes rural-to-urban migration unfavorable and difficult, as it ties social welfare benefits to where people are born.
Roughly a quarter of China's population works in agriculture — well above the 3% mark in the US — and that presents its own productivity limitations.
"I'm skeptical they'll do it, but if Beijing did away with household registration, it would mean a large portion of the Chinese population that's treated as second-class citizens would start to spend more, have more confidence in the future, and drive more productivity across the economy," Roberts said.
Rocky decade ahead
China's laundry list of issues point to a rocky decade ahead.
From an unstable, debt-ridden property market to anti-business policies and demographic issues, Beijing has plenty to tackle if it hopes to match the same growth as decades past.
Geopolitical hurdles involving the US, Russia, and other trade partners present further headaches for President Xi Jinping, but experts say the focus should be on domestic issues.
For Dollar, he expects China to eke out 5% growth this year, as Beijing forecasts, but without financial or demographic reforms, growth could hover closer to 3% for the next decade.
https://www.businessinsider.com/china-economy-deflation-markets-property-real-estate-housing-beijing-2023-8?op=1
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indc
2025 Jan 19, 8:09am
https://youtu.be/p5ymyWB5pis?si=4iLEmtMBkkxHCygf
I am not an economics major. Is there something wrong in her calculation?
I am not an economics major. Is there something wrong in her calculation?
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DemoralizerOfPanicans
2025 Apr 22, 8:47pm
DemoralizerOfPanicans
2025 Apr 22, 8:47pm
Why are 90% of China's leftover women panicking? In this video, we explore the deep emotional struggles and social pressures faced by older unmarried women in China. From anxiety among China’s leftover women to the dating pressure on women over 30 in China, this video dives into the harsh realities of aging in a marriage-centric culture.
We discuss why it’s harder for Chinese women to get married, the psychological shift of unmarried women at 35, and how even their compromises can’t keep up with their declining value in China’s marriage market. As women lower their dating standards, they still face rejection—highlighting the gender inequality in Chinese blind dating and the marginalization of older single women.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2e2GpFa6BI
The actual video is tough on "Leftover Women", so I think this blurb is to protect the account from Youtube Police.
We discuss why it’s harder for Chinese women to get married, the psychological shift of unmarried women at 35, and how even their compromises can’t keep up with their declining value in China’s marriage market. As women lower their dating standards, they still face rejection—highlighting the gender inequality in Chinese blind dating and the marginalization of older single women.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2e2GpFa6BI
The actual video is tough on "Leftover Women", so I think this blurb is to protect the account from Youtube Police.
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DemoralizerOfPanicans
2025 May 6, 7:27pm
DemoralizerOfPanicans
2025 May 6, 7:27pm
In honor of @MolotovCocktail
Chinese tell the truth about their economy tanking, things becoming more expensive, putting a fake face on everything. From the price of pickled vegetables to useless housing investments. Even rice is down 30%.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zOdLs0rTZw
Chinese tell the truth about their economy tanking, things becoming more expensive, putting a fake face on everything. From the price of pickled vegetables to useless housing investments. Even rice is down 30%.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zOdLs0rTZw
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MolotovCocktail
2025 Oct 9, 9:01am
https://x.com/jenniferzeng97/status/1976260368625258605
MolotovCocktail
2025 Oct 9, 9:01am
Breaking — Unverified Report:
An insider within the Chinese Communist Party has reportedly disclosed that Xi Jinping suffered a sudden stroke earlier today. His condition is said to be extremely critical, and emergency medical treatment is reportedly in progress.
According to the same source, Premier Li Qiang, who is currently on an official visit to North Korea, has allegedly been ordered to return to Beijing immediately. The information comes from a single insider source and has not yet been independently verified. Given the potential significance of the development, the report has been released prior to full confirmation.
Observers note that a clear indicator of the situation will be whether Li Qiang continues his North Korea visit—if he does, it may suggest that Xi’s condition is not as serious as claimed.
https://x.com/jenniferzeng97/status/1976260368625258605
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WookieMan
2025 Oct 9, 10:28am
WookieMan
2025 Oct 9, 10:28am
MolotovCocktail says
Oh boy. For whatever reason I was just looking at Russian oil exports. If China falls apart that could be a big domino falling for Russia if there's a power grab in China and things go haywire for 6 months or longer. Could cause issues for Putin and turmoil there. If true this will be interesting. From everything I've watched and read the CCP is a shit show and Xi runs everything basically.
Breaking — Unverified Report:
An insider within the Chinese Communist Party has reportedly disclosed that Xi Jinping suffered a sudden stroke earlier today. His condition is said to be extremely critical, and emergency medical treatment is reportedly in progress.
Oh boy. For whatever reason I was just looking at Russian oil exports. If China falls apart that could be a big domino falling for Russia if there's a power grab in China and things go haywire for 6 months or longer. Could cause issues for Putin and turmoil there. If true this will be interesting. From everything I've watched and read the CCP is a shit show and Xi runs everything basically.
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preed
2025 Oct 9, 10:30am
MolotovCocktail says
Rumors of Xi having a stroke have been circulating for years. They are always discredited. There is no corroborating evidence.
An insider within the Chinese Communist Party has reportedly disclosed that Xi Jinping suffered a sudden stroke earlier today. His condition is said to be extremely critical, and emergency medical treatment is reportedly in progress.
Rumors of Xi having a stroke have been circulating for years. They are always discredited. There is no corroborating evidence.
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MolotovCocktail
2025 Oct 10, 9:23am
MolotovCocktail
2025 Oct 10, 9:23am
WookieMan says
True.
After Mao, the ChiComms set up a system within the party where nobody would be a dictator again. Then Xi came along.
Xi runs everything basically
True.
After Mao, the ChiComms set up a system within the party where nobody would be a dictator again. Then Xi came along.
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MolotovCocktail
2025 Oct 10, 9:24am
MolotovCocktail
2025 Oct 10, 9:24am
preed says
Yes. That is why I put the words Unverified Report in bold
Rumors of Xi having a stroke have been circulating for years. They are always discredited. There is no corroborating evidence.
Yes. That is why I put the words Unverified Report in bold
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KgK one
2025 Oct 12, 4:42pm
While usa dems fights about gender pronouns. Or on other white supremist racist men treat all monorities like shit,
china has taken over.
While usa dems fights about gender pronouns. Or on other white supremist racist men treat all monorities like shit,
china has taken over.
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DemoralizerOfPanicans
2025 Oct 27, 10:26pm
DemoralizerOfPanicans
2025 Oct 27, 10:26pm
Women may hold up half the sky, but they can't even have two babies.
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AD
2025 Oct 29, 1:36am
AD
2025 Oct 29, 1:36am
.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/pentagon-muscle-confronts-china-s-proxy-venezuela/ar-AA1PovJ8
The warning: China must end its disintegrative war on America. In a disintegrative war, a "unitary belligerent becomes increasingly fragmented by secessions."
The dark money and a lot of the drugs promoting the disintegrative war on America comes from Beijing. As I've written several times in the last three years, in 2010 China's People's Liberation Army published a treatise on disintegration warfare. Retired Japanese admiral Dr. Fumio Ota summarized the Chinese strategy: "The idea of (Chinese) disintegration warfare includes politics, economy, culture, psychology, military threats, conspiracy, media propaganda, law, information, and intelligence."
Move from the idea to operations. Open borders and unregulated migration. Lawless and disintegrating cities. Pushing deadly drugs.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/pentagon-muscle-confronts-china-s-proxy-venezuela/ar-AA1PovJ8
The warning: China must end its disintegrative war on America. In a disintegrative war, a "unitary belligerent becomes increasingly fragmented by secessions."
The dark money and a lot of the drugs promoting the disintegrative war on America comes from Beijing. As I've written several times in the last three years, in 2010 China's People's Liberation Army published a treatise on disintegration warfare. Retired Japanese admiral Dr. Fumio Ota summarized the Chinese strategy: "The idea of (Chinese) disintegration warfare includes politics, economy, culture, psychology, military threats, conspiracy, media propaganda, law, information, and intelligence."
Move from the idea to operations. Open borders and unregulated migration. Lawless and disintegrating cities. Pushing deadly drugs.
209
DemoralizerOfPanicans
2025 Oct 29, 2:26am
DemoralizerOfPanicans
2025 Oct 29, 2:26am
Radicalizing BOTH the left and the right. Platform crazy people. Make saying "I admire Stalin" and "Gender is chosen by individuals" and "Question the Postwar Consensus" normal.
Create division and wedges and clefts.
Create division and wedges and clefts.
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UveBeenNudged1
2025 Oct 29, 2:26pm
UveBeenNudged1
2025 Oct 29, 2:26pm
How come those so-called 'Chicoms' seem to do capitalism better than the West...?
But seriously, you wont see a lot of objective analysis about China in the West...
Their controlled population may be deplorable to the Libertarian mindset, but China have always had a more collectivist tradition and culture... Covid shots were not mandated by the Chinese government, but were so in the 'free world'. Also, you can use words like 'tranny' without fear of the thought police knocking on your door... Westerners say visiting China is like walking into the future; compare that with our own blighted and collapsing urban areas...
But seriously, you wont see a lot of objective analysis about China in the West...
Their controlled population may be deplorable to the Libertarian mindset, but China have always had a more collectivist tradition and culture... Covid shots were not mandated by the Chinese government, but were so in the 'free world'. Also, you can use words like 'tranny' without fear of the thought police knocking on your door... Westerners say visiting China is like walking into the future; compare that with our own blighted and collapsing urban areas...
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AD
2025 Oct 29, 7:12pm
AD
2025 Oct 29, 7:12pm
UveBeenNudged1 says
In Communist China, can you publicly call out Mao Zedong as a pedophile ?
Yes its easy to implement totalitarian controls in a country that is 95% of the same ethnicity (i.e., ethnic Han).
.
Also, you can use words like 'tranny' without fear of the thought police knocking on your door
In Communist China, can you publicly call out Mao Zedong as a pedophile ?
Yes its easy to implement totalitarian controls in a country that is 95% of the same ethnicity (i.e., ethnic Han).
.
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Misc
2025 Oct 29, 7:41pm
In Communist China they actually kill the motherfuckers who are corrupt. This is hundreds per year. Shows you how much of a deterrent it is.
We'd have to execute half of the bureaucracy.
We'd have to execute half of the bureaucracy.
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Patrick
2025 Oct 29, 8:45pm
Patrick
2025 Oct 29, 8:45pm
UveBeenNudged1 says
The Chinese government mandated that government and medical workers get the jab, and issued target quotas to local governments which then implemented coercive measures very much like the West.
Surprisingly, a lot of Chinese pushed back and got restrictions lifted so that they could go out in public without the jab, but by taking a test instead.
Covid shots were not mandated by the Chinese government, but were so in the 'free world'.
The Chinese government mandated that government and medical workers get the jab, and issued target quotas to local governments which then implemented coercive measures very much like the West.
Surprisingly, a lot of Chinese pushed back and got restrictions lifted so that they could go out in public without the jab, but by taking a test instead.
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stereotomy
2025 Oct 29, 9:41pm
stereotomy
2025 Oct 29, 9:41pm
Patrick says
Yeah, but to retaliate, the chinese gov't started using anal swabs for the covid tests. They can be as nasty as they wanna be.
Surprisingly, a lot of Chinese pushed back and got restrictions lifted so that they could go out in public without the jab, but by taking a test instead.
Yeah, but to retaliate, the chinese gov't started using anal swabs for the covid tests. They can be as nasty as they wanna be.
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stereotomy
2025 Oct 29, 9:52pm
stereotomy
2025 Oct 29, 9:52pm
Patrick says
Yes, indeed. That and welding the doors shut to apartment complexes to enforce quarantine measures during the early peak hysteria of the scamdemic. There were full scale riots about that one.
I'd bother to search for links if that hasn't already been scrubbed from teh intarwebs like the dancing nurses in ER's.
Ah, is that was those anal swabs were about?
Yes, indeed. That and welding the doors shut to apartment complexes to enforce quarantine measures during the early peak hysteria of the scamdemic. There were full scale riots about that one.
I'd bother to search for links if that hasn't already been scrubbed from teh intarwebs like the dancing nurses in ER's.
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UveBeenNudged1
2025 Oct 30, 11:27am
UveBeenNudged1
2025 Oct 30, 11:27am
Patrick says
They used a more traditional vaccine too, not experimental mRNA sh1t.
Also, they removed the furin cleavage site from the spike, but Fauci ordered the main Western producers to leave it in... Hmm
All I'm really saying is that I find many of the criticisms towards China to be exaggerated. Yes they lock dissidents up, whereas most of our citizens are trapped in a sophisticated mental prison that they are not even aware of...
China has a system that seems to work well for them, and if it challenges Globalist hegemony (or offers alternative economic models), then surely that's a good thing...?
UveBeenNudged1 says
Covid shots were not mandated by the Chinese government, but were so in the 'free world'.
The Chinese government mandated that government and medical workers get the jab, and issued target quotas to local governments which then implemented coercive measures very much like the West.
Surprisingly, a lot of Chinese pushed back and got restrictions lifted so that they could go out in public without the jab, but by taking a test instead.
They used a more traditional vaccine too, not experimental mRNA sh1t.
Also, they removed the furin cleavage site from the spike, but Fauci ordered the main Western producers to leave it in... Hmm
All I'm really saying is that I find many of the criticisms towards China to be exaggerated. Yes they lock dissidents up, whereas most of our citizens are trapped in a sophisticated mental prison that they are not even aware of...
China has a system that seems to work well for them, and if it challenges Globalist hegemony (or offers alternative economic models), then surely that's a good thing...?
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UveBeenNudged1
2025 Oct 30, 11:37am
UveBeenNudged1
2025 Oct 30, 11:37am
AD says
Obviously they don't like challenges to authority, but causing 'anxiety' to a stranger on the net can get you jail time in the West (call it bottom-up tyranny if you like). No pun intended :-)
So comparing Eastern to Western nations, is like comparing apples to oranges...
UveBeenNudged1 says
Also, you can use words like 'tranny' without fear of the thought police knocking on your door
In Communist China, can you publicly call out Mao Zedong as a pedophile ?
Yes its easy to implement totalitarian controls in a country that is 95% of the same ethnicity (i.e., ethnic Han).
.
Obviously they don't like challenges to authority, but causing 'anxiety' to a stranger on the net can get you jail time in the West (call it bottom-up tyranny if you like). No pun intended :-)
So comparing Eastern to Western nations, is like comparing apples to oranges...
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Patrick
2025 Oct 30, 12:22pm
Patrick
2025 Oct 30, 12:22pm
@UveBeenNudged1 I definitely agree with you that supposedly "free" Western countries like Britain, NZ, Australia, and Germany are extremely intolerant of free speech about the jabs or mass 3rd world immigration.
I've got a Chinese friend who likes to say that no one is being oppressed in China, and that the government there has broad support because it has delivered a rising standard of living for a long time.
I think some groups like Fulan Gong are definitely being oppressed, but I'm not sure exactly why. Are they a threat to the CCP somehow?
The news and history there also seem to be very controlled. I talked to a recently-arrived Chinese woman in her 20's who had never heard of the Tank Man of Tiananmen.
I've got a Chinese friend who likes to say that no one is being oppressed in China, and that the government there has broad support because it has delivered a rising standard of living for a long time.
I think some groups like Fulan Gong are definitely being oppressed, but I'm not sure exactly why. Are they a threat to the CCP somehow?
The news and history there also seem to be very controlled. I talked to a recently-arrived Chinese woman in her 20's who had never heard of the Tank Man of Tiananmen.
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stereotomy
2025 Oct 30, 2:01pm
stereotomy
2025 Oct 30, 2:01pm
Patrick says
Fulan Gong got on the CCP shitlist for organizing mass demonstrations kind of like the pantifa protests - all of a sudden, a whole bunch of people show up. This was back in the late 90's early 'naughties. This rattled the CCP, because they realized what that level of organization could do to destabilize local governments.
I think some groups like Fulan Gong are definitely being oppressed, but I'm not sure exactly why. Are they a threat to the CCP somehow?
Fulan Gong got on the CCP shitlist for organizing mass demonstrations kind of like the pantifa protests - all of a sudden, a whole bunch of people show up. This was back in the late 90's early 'naughties. This rattled the CCP, because they realized what that level of organization could do to destabilize local governments.
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UveBeenNudged1
2025 Oct 31, 2:37am
UveBeenNudged1
2025 Oct 31, 2:37am
Patrick says
UveBeenNudged1 I definitely agree with you that supposedly "free" Western countries like Britain, NZ, Australia, and Germany are extremely intolerant of free speech about the jabs or mass 3rd world immigration.
I've got a Chinese friend who likes to say that no one is being oppressed in China, and that the government there has broad support because it has delivered a rising standard of living for a long time.
I think some groups like Fulan Gong are definitely being oppressed, but I'm not sure exactly why. Are they a threat to the CCP somehow?
The news and history there also seem to be very controlled. I talked to a recently-arrived Chinese woman in her 20's who had never heard of the Tank Man of Tiananmen.
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Eric Holder
2025 Oct 31, 2:54pm
Eric Holder
2025 Oct 31, 2:54pm
RWSGFY says
Is that UveBeenNudged1 at the bottom right? Or he has more Asiatic complexion and slightly different Commie cocarde on his hat? :D
Is that UveBeenNudged1 at the bottom right? Or he has more Asiatic complexion and slightly different Commie cocarde on his hat? :D
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AD
2025 Oct 31, 11:19pm
AD
2025 Oct 31, 11:19pm
Eric Holder says
Maybe UveBeenNudged1 got promoted out of 50 Cent Party and his reward is assignment as a master troll at Patrick.net.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party
Or maybe he is a part-time Kremlin court jester for Putin when he's not on Patrick.net.
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UveBeenNudged1
Maybe UveBeenNudged1 got promoted out of 50 Cent Party and his reward is assignment as a master troll at Patrick.net.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party
Or maybe he is a part-time Kremlin court jester for Putin when he's not on Patrick.net.
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