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Automan Empire
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2022 Jan 4, 9:10pm
Automan Empire
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2022 Jan 4, 9:10pm
just_passing_through says
My argument isn't that we wouldn't be better off without more reservoirs, or that none should be built. The argument is that "more reservoirs" is not the panacea proponents seem to think, and the reasons include less "hippies blocking them" and more "cost benefit analysis" and "total watershed volume" in the big picture.
Americans have already reached 100% draw from one MAJOR river system, and many others already struggle to balance agricultural and municipal needs with ecological and environmental needs. It's not an acceptable solution to draw down EVERY river on the planet to meet human needs, regardless of the externalized costs of this.
The real reckoning here, is the stark reality that the more humans we collectively breed, the more Earth's finite resources must get divided up. You're living the historic moment when a commodity you assume is your right and available in limitless abundance, is strained to the point where there's less than you want available as your "share." There is plenty of historical precedent actually. The ancient Egyptians and Mayans expanded then faced a crisis on an unsustainable hydraulic economy bubble.
Anyone who thinks we wouldn't be better off with more reservoirs has a hole in their head.
My argument isn't that we wouldn't be better off without more reservoirs, or that none should be built. The argument is that "more reservoirs" is not the panacea proponents seem to think, and the reasons include less "hippies blocking them" and more "cost benefit analysis" and "total watershed volume" in the big picture.
Americans have already reached 100% draw from one MAJOR river system, and many others already struggle to balance agricultural and municipal needs with ecological and environmental needs. It's not an acceptable solution to draw down EVERY river on the planet to meet human needs, regardless of the externalized costs of this.
The real reckoning here, is the stark reality that the more humans we collectively breed, the more Earth's finite resources must get divided up. You're living the historic moment when a commodity you assume is your right and available in limitless abundance, is strained to the point where there's less than you want available as your "share." There is plenty of historical precedent actually. The ancient Egyptians and Mayans expanded then faced a crisis on an unsustainable hydraulic economy bubble.
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mell
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2022 Jan 4, 9:16pm
Bd6r says
I don't think that number is very reliable, it's extremely hard to estimate deaths from radiation (and there's even the theory of hormesis where radiation up to a certain point, higher than many think, is beneficial). I do think though that it fares well as well compared to many other forms of energy, however the events are very localized (esp. when carastrophic), so you will see opposition, the more the closer to the reactors people live. People taking that extra - albeit small - risk by living close by should get cheaper rates perhaps (not sure of they do already).
mell saysWell because of Fukushima and chernobyl. Of course the degree of environmental and health impact of both has been debated and there is no clear conclusion.
There is a hard number of deaths per produced unit of energy. Nuclear fares pretty well, so opposition is unscientific.
https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/3ug7ju/deaths_per_pwh_electricity_produced_by_energy/?source=patrick.net
I don't think that number is very reliable, it's extremely hard to estimate deaths from radiation (and there's even the theory of hormesis where radiation up to a certain point, higher than many think, is beneficial). I do think though that it fares well as well compared to many other forms of energy, however the events are very localized (esp. when carastrophic), so you will see opposition, the more the closer to the reactors people live. People taking that extra - albeit small - risk by living close by should get cheaper rates perhaps (not sure of they do already).
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Maga_Chaos_Monkey
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2022 Jan 4, 9:26pm
Maga_Chaos_Monkey
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2022 Jan 4, 9:26pm
Automan Empire says
I was not referencing you specifically. I see your point about population but I disagree with it entirely. Population time series isn't a pyramid anymore it's becoming a cylinder and will stop expanding soon by most measures.
You could argue CA/dry climate/etc., and I'd agree with you on that but we are nowhere near where we could be and the state has natural population filters like high prices and communist totalitarian politicians.
My argument isn't that we wouldn't be better off without more reservoirs
I was not referencing you specifically. I see your point about population but I disagree with it entirely. Population time series isn't a pyramid anymore it's becoming a cylinder and will stop expanding soon by most measures.
You could argue CA/dry climate/etc., and I'd agree with you on that but we are nowhere near where we could be and the state has natural population filters like high prices and communist totalitarian politicians.
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fdhfoiehfeoi
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2022 Jan 4, 10:06pm
fdhfoiehfeoi
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2022 Jan 4, 10:06pm
Automan Empire says
No idea about acid rain, but definitely agree on global cooling. Data I've seen shows we are in a long-term cooling trend, combined with the lack of solar activity. Explains why I'm always so fucking cold despite living in SoCal.
My problem with environmentalists is real simple. They seem to gravitate toward complaining about problems too big for them to solve. I have no time for whiners who won't take personal responsibility. I have actively supported a cleaner planet through preventative health that means I don't spend on industrialized food, one of the worst sources of human pollution I'm aware of. I try to buy things that last, or repair things that break. I use organic products when I garden. I feed my dogs food that's so good, their waste is usually eaten before I can pick it up by insects. That's right, my dogs shit is recyclable. I rented several places with dirt for a yard, and brought the grass back just by watering and mowing. No synthetic fertilizers, no poisonous weed killers. I don't preach to others or wait on government, I make my planet cleaner and safer every day. When I meet an "environmentalist" who does as much as I do, then I'll listen.
GLOBAL COOLING AND ACID RAIN ARE NOT ENVIRONMENTAL HOAXES
No idea about acid rain, but definitely agree on global cooling. Data I've seen shows we are in a long-term cooling trend, combined with the lack of solar activity. Explains why I'm always so fucking cold despite living in SoCal.
My problem with environmentalists is real simple. They seem to gravitate toward complaining about problems too big for them to solve. I have no time for whiners who won't take personal responsibility. I have actively supported a cleaner planet through preventative health that means I don't spend on industrialized food, one of the worst sources of human pollution I'm aware of. I try to buy things that last, or repair things that break. I use organic products when I garden. I feed my dogs food that's so good, their waste is usually eaten before I can pick it up by insects. That's right, my dogs shit is recyclable. I rented several places with dirt for a yard, and brought the grass back just by watering and mowing. No synthetic fertilizers, no poisonous weed killers. I don't preach to others or wait on government, I make my planet cleaner and safer every day. When I meet an "environmentalist" who does as much as I do, then I'll listen.
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Patrick
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2022 May 31, 9:59pm
Patrick
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2022 May 31, 9:59pm
https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/kitten-corner-al-gore
kitten corner: al gore
the wages of spin look pretty good
gatito bueno
10 hr ago
jeez you guys, $300 million?
i would have thought probably he’d be a lot richer after inventing the internet and everything…
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clambo
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2022 Jun 1, 9:17am
If you believe in global warming, convert your car to run on natural gas (like a Tesla does).
You can actually do something about it.
If you don’t, you’re a hypocrite.
The biggest proponents of the hoax are riding in yachts and private jets; they are hypocrites too.
You can actually do something about it.
If you don’t, you’re a hypocrite.
The biggest proponents of the hoax are riding in yachts and private jets; they are hypocrites too.
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Misc
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2022 Jun 2, 12:04am
It is my lifetime goal to have a smaller carbon footprint than our current climate Czar.
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richwicks
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2022 Jun 2, 12:38am
richwicks
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2022 Jun 2, 12:38am
HEY YOU says
Al Gore? Absolutely. Go watch An Inconvenient Truth again.
If you want to spend the time, listen to the predictions, then start checking them. I understand this is a laborious process, but the only way you'll believe that literally NOTHING in that "documentary" was correct is for you to verify yourself.
I was a believer when that film came out. There is no hockey stick, glaciers didn't disappear, it's all bullshit.
That was then. Was he wrong?
Al Gore? Absolutely. Go watch An Inconvenient Truth again.
If you want to spend the time, listen to the predictions, then start checking them. I understand this is a laborious process, but the only way you'll believe that literally NOTHING in that "documentary" was correct is for you to verify yourself.
I was a believer when that film came out. There is no hockey stick, glaciers didn't disappear, it's all bullshit.
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PeopleUnited
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2022 Jun 2, 6:48am
PeopleUnited
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2022 Jun 2, 6:48am
richwicks says
Al Gore never believed it, but he convinced a lot of useful idiots. And most people once convinced will never change their mind.
I was a believer when that film came out.
Al Gore never believed it, but he convinced a lot of useful idiots. And most people once convinced will never change their mind.
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HeadSet
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2022 Jun 2, 9:31am
HeadSet
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2022 Jun 2, 9:31am
clambo says
Also get rid of the dryer and use a clothes line.
If you believe in global warming, convert your car to run on natural gas (like a Tesla does).
You can actually do something about it.
If you don’t, you’re a hypocrite.
Also get rid of the dryer and use a clothes line.
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Bd6r
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2022 Jun 2, 9:44am
Bd6r
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2022 Jun 2, 9:44am
HeadSet says
And throw out phone and computer, and live in a 900sq ft house.
clambo saysIf you believe in global warming, convert your car to run on natural gas (like a Tesla does).
You can actually do something about it.
If you don’t, you’re a hypocrite.
Also get rid of the dryer and use a clothes line.
And throw out phone and computer, and live in a 900sq ft house.
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zzyzzx
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2022 Jun 9, 9:44am
zzyzzx
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2022 Jun 9, 9:44am
HeadSet says
That doesn't work in most of the country unless you can somehow shield your clothesline from the rain. I also wonder about insects getting on the clothes.
Also get rid of the dryer and use a clothes line.
That doesn't work in most of the country unless you can somehow shield your clothesline from the rain. I also wonder about insects getting on the clothes.
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HeadSet
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2022 Jun 9, 6:24pm
HeadSet
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2022 Jun 9, 6:24pm
zzyzzx says
During the '40s. 50s, and '60s, a clothesline was the norm throughout the country. Nobody said a clothesline is better than a dryer, just that a dryer uses a vast amount of energy so any true carbon conscience guy should forgo the convenience of that dryer.
That doesn't work in most of the country unless you can somehow shield your clothesline from the rain. I also wonder about insects getting on the clothes.
During the '40s. 50s, and '60s, a clothesline was the norm throughout the country. Nobody said a clothesline is better than a dryer, just that a dryer uses a vast amount of energy so any true carbon conscience guy should forgo the convenience of that dryer.
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RWSGFY
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2022 Jun 10, 6:22am
RWSGFY
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2022 Jun 10, 6:22am
richwicks says
Yeah, you come across as a pretty gullible type.
I was a believer when that film came out.
Yeah, you come across as a pretty gullible type.
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Patrick
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2022 Jun 15, 10:06pm
Patrick
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2022 Jun 15, 10:06pm
https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/earth-was-once-venus-like-before
earth was once "venus like" before climate change
as is so often the case, the WEF has their story wrong way 'round
“Results showed that carbon dioxide fertilization explains 70 percent of the greening effect, said co-author Ranga Myneni, a professor in the Department of Earth and Environment at Boston University. “The second most important driver is nitrogen, at 9 percent. So we see what an outsized role CO2 plays in this process.”
and current levels are, by past standards, very low at about 420 parts per million.
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Ceffer
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2022 Jun 15, 10:16pm
Ceffer
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2022 Jun 15, 10:16pm
Just think how green the earth will get when the NWO turns 7.5 billion people into fertilizer.
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richwicks
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2022 Jun 16, 12:03am
richwicks
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2022 Jun 16, 12:03am
Hey @Patrick - you ever believe this bullshit about Global Warming?
I did, until about 15 years ago. My 20 year old self would be screaming at me questioning how I became a "science denier".
I did, until about 15 years ago. My 20 year old self would be screaming at me questioning how I became a "science denier".
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Patrick
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2022 Jun 16, 1:40pm
Patrick
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2022 Jun 16, 1:40pm
I do think that CO2 is increasing, and that the world is warming a bit. I'm not entirely sure the two are connected, and even less sure that they are bad things.
They seem to have some large positive effects, like more vigorous plant growth and more arable land in Canada and Russia.
And CO2 falling below the recent historically low levels would be exceptionally bad for plant growth. Maybe fossil fuels are actually doing the world a lot of good.
They seem to have some large positive effects, like more vigorous plant growth and more arable land in Canada and Russia.
And CO2 falling below the recent historically low levels would be exceptionally bad for plant growth. Maybe fossil fuels are actually doing the world a lot of good.
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Patrick
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2022 Jun 17, 4:50pm
Patrick
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2022 Jun 17, 4:50pm
https://nitter.pussthecat.org/Not_the_Bee/status/1537571285714104321
Italian motorists dealing with global warming crazies. Bravo 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
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Eric_Holder
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2022 Jul 1, 11:20am
Eric_Holder
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2022 Jul 1, 11:20am
richwicks says
Feeble-minded in your 30s == feeble-minded forever.
Hey @Patrick - you ever believe this bullshit about Global Warming?
I did, until about 15 years ago. My 20 year old self would be screaming at me questioning how I became a "science denier".
Feeble-minded in your 30s == feeble-minded forever.
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Patrick
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2022 Jul 1, 11:27am
Patrick
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2022 Jul 1, 11:27am
Yes, I assumed it was true, back before the mass bribery and intimidation of doctors in order to inject people with the toxxine for the profits of Pfizer.
Now I don't trust any science at all unless it is very clear to me.
Now I think CO2 levels have been rising due to the burning of fossil fuels, but that's a good thing, getting us away from the danger zone of not enough CO2 in the atmosphere. There is a small rise in temperatures but again, that's a good thing, increasing arable land and making it easier to ship through the arctic.
I'm pretty sure the mass fires in the summer before the flagrantly fraudulent election of 2020 were a combination of deliberately set fires to increase public unease, and the lack of fires in the past, which resulted in the accumulation of large amounts of forest litter.
I can see that control over energy is pretty much control over everything, so for the global oligarchy to have complete control over us, they need to be the gatekeepers to energy use.
Now I don't trust any science at all unless it is very clear to me.
Now I think CO2 levels have been rising due to the burning of fossil fuels, but that's a good thing, getting us away from the danger zone of not enough CO2 in the atmosphere. There is a small rise in temperatures but again, that's a good thing, increasing arable land and making it easier to ship through the arctic.
I'm pretty sure the mass fires in the summer before the flagrantly fraudulent election of 2020 were a combination of deliberately set fires to increase public unease, and the lack of fires in the past, which resulted in the accumulation of large amounts of forest litter.
I can see that control over energy is pretty much control over everything, so for the global oligarchy to have complete control over us, they need to be the gatekeepers to energy use.
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richwicks
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2022 Jul 1, 12:34pm
richwicks
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2022 Jul 1, 12:34pm
Eric Holder says
You equate being incorrect, and being able to recognize that, as "feeble mindedness".
I am an engineer. I know people in my field who will never admit error and continue making the same errors because their ego is so fragile and they are so dependent upon it, they can never admit they are wrong. These people, are dangerously stupid people, and they never improve.
If you cannot admit error at 30, or especially at 50, or later, you have the mentality of a child. It's essential to be able to think and reason and admit error to attain wisdom. You call this "feeble mindedness".
richwicks says
Hey @Patrick - you ever believe this bullshit about Global Warming?
I did, until about 15 years ago. My 20 year old self would be screaming at me questioning how I became a "science denier".
Feeble-minded in your 30s == feeble-minded forever.
You equate being incorrect, and being able to recognize that, as "feeble mindedness".
I am an engineer. I know people in my field who will never admit error and continue making the same errors because their ego is so fragile and they are so dependent upon it, they can never admit they are wrong. These people, are dangerously stupid people, and they never improve.
If you cannot admit error at 30, or especially at 50, or later, you have the mentality of a child. It's essential to be able to think and reason and admit error to attain wisdom. You call this "feeble mindedness".
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ForcedTQ
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2022 Jul 1, 1:04pm
Good thread over on Anthony Watts site here: https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/06/28/media-claims-co2-traps-heat-a-big-lie-or-a-big-stupid/
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SunnyvaleCA
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2022 Jul 1, 1:30pm
The left & progressives have their marching orders to wail non-stop about SCOTUS and abortion, but getting surprisingly little attention is the ruling about the EPA:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-the-supreme-courts-epa-ruling-means-for-the-climate-change-fight
This is a huge setback for Democrats and the deep state, who have the habit of massively overstretching the rulemaking authority of various federal rulemaking departments.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-the-supreme-courts-epa-ruling-means-for-the-climate-change-fight
The 6-3 ruling declared that the Clean Air Act does not give the Environmental Protection Agency broad authority to regulate emissions from plants that contribute to global warming. ... “A decision of such magnitude and consequence rests with Congress itself, or an agency acting pursuant to a clear delegation from that representative body.” ... The decision also could have a broader effect on other agencies’ regulatory efforts, from education to transportation and food.
This is a huge setback for Democrats and the deep state, who have the habit of massively overstretching the rulemaking authority of various federal rulemaking departments.
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Onvacation
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2022 Jul 1, 1:48pm
Onvacation
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2022 Jul 1, 1:48pm
Patrick says
I always took the prediction of global warming with a grain of salt. When I was a kid the climatologist were screaming about the coming ice age and then nuclear winter.
I have been sailing for over 30 years and am always checking the weather conditions. It's hard to get the forecast right for the next 24 hours much less the climate for the next century.
I know, I am confusing weather with climate.
But they are similar in being multivariable chaotic systems with MANY of the variables quite unpredictable.
Yes, I assumed it was true, back before the mass bribery and intimidation of doctors in order to inject people with the toxxine for the profits of Pfizer.
I always took the prediction of global warming with a grain of salt. When I was a kid the climatologist were screaming about the coming ice age and then nuclear winter.
I have been sailing for over 30 years and am always checking the weather conditions. It's hard to get the forecast right for the next 24 hours much less the climate for the next century.
I know, I am confusing weather with climate.
But they are similar in being multivariable chaotic systems with MANY of the variables quite unpredictable.
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Patrick
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2022 Jul 1, 6:00pm
Patrick
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2022 Jul 1, 6:00pm
https://notthebee.com/article/the-dutch-government-just-shut-down-dozens-of-farms-for-the-climate-cult-and-the-farmers-werent-happy
Dutch farmers attack government vans, block roadways, spray police with manure after authorities shut down dozens of family farms for the Climate Cult
In case you were wondering why America has the Second Amendment, here's lesson #8,912 ...
It's horrible. These men have families to feed. Their food is sorely needed for the nation as the supply chain dries up. Their farms are likely multi-generational. There is zero threat to the planet by them raising cattle and growing crops.
It doesn't matter. The government has spoken, their homes and livelihoods are now destroyed, and the Religion of the State™ marches on.
Here's few more spicy videos, including one where farmers spray government buildings with manure.
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Patrick
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2022 Jul 1, 8:28pm
Patrick
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2022 Jul 1, 8:28pm
Interesting idea: cattle can prevent or reverse desertification:
https://www.hennessysview.com/p/what-climate-scientists-arent-telling-you-about-global-warming
https://www.hennessysview.com/p/what-climate-scientists-arent-telling-you-about-global-warming
The Solution to Desertification Is What’s For Dinner
The answer is beef.
Savory and his team have reversed desertification over 15 million hectares by introducing herds of cattle and sheep to deserts.
The process is simple. It works exactly as nature planned—before pointy-headed scientists decided they knew more about nature than nature.
Reversing Desertification Feed The Hungry, Too
In most of the world, only animals can feed the human population. The environment will not support enough plant-based nutrition no matter what you do.
But herds of animals can live off the land, and feed the people.
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fdhfoiehfeoi
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2022 Jul 1, 8:47pm
fdhfoiehfeoi
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2022 Jul 1, 8:47pm
Was over 90 last half of June. Global warming are you finally here..? I've been waiting for you sooo long..
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Patrick
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2022 Jul 2, 9:11am
Patrick
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2022 Jul 2, 9:11am
https://nitter.net/TheLaurenChen/status/1543247321722486784#m
Lauren Chen
@TheLaurenChen
1h
Crippling your own food supply and economy to limit emissions is the dumbest thing I've ever heard
It's also the predictable end result of the green agenda
RadioGenova
@RadioGenova
Jul 1
After politicians' decision to close dozens of farms and cattle ranches to reduce nitrogen to comply with absurd EU regulations on nitrogen pollution, the angry Dutch farmers have issued an ultimatum threatening to block the country's airports, ports and distribution centers.
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1337irr
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2022 Jul 2, 9:41pm
1337irr
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2022 Jul 2, 9:41pm
Global warming = Climate Change = the sun. Solution...we opened up all the doors to our houses and run the AC full blast and we will cool the earth and we are good. Simple, right?
Nobody mentions how big of a variable the sun is with sunspots and solar flares when they talk climate change. It's hard to take them seriously.
Nobody mentions how big of a variable the sun is with sunspots and solar flares when they talk climate change. It's hard to take them seriously.
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fdhfoiehfeoi
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2022 Jul 22, 9:19am
fdhfoiehfeoi
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2022 Jul 22, 9:19am
For it to be real global warming, I can't be cold in SoCal in January. Until that happens, this remains a dream unfulfilled.
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WookieMan
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2022 Jul 22, 10:15am
WookieMan
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2022 Jul 22, 10:15am
NuttBoxer says
We did a SoCal trip about 5 years ago. I think one day the high was 58º. Was kind of pissed. That was January, but did not pack for it to be that cool. My fault.
Worst was our Disney World trip. Low of 24º or so in Orlando. All the ferries and anything diesel wouldn't start in the morning. F'ing place turned into a traffic jam because they couldn't move people from the lots to Magic Kingdom. It was a mess. Then got stuck for an hour on a ride that broke down. Fortunately it was a boat, so it was comfortable.
I don't think we'll ever do Disney World again. The white trash is strong there along with ghetto FL residents (not all) that get the discounted season passes. Disneyland seemed more pristine when we went on that SoCal trip. Just chilly.
We have a festival in town this weekend and I'm volunteering to tidy up the grounds today. It's fucking hot. But then it will be 70º next week or something. So yes, climate does change.... lol.
For it to be real global warming, I can't be cold in SoCal in January. Until that happens, this remains a dream unfulfilled.
We did a SoCal trip about 5 years ago. I think one day the high was 58º. Was kind of pissed. That was January, but did not pack for it to be that cool. My fault.
Worst was our Disney World trip. Low of 24º or so in Orlando. All the ferries and anything diesel wouldn't start in the morning. F'ing place turned into a traffic jam because they couldn't move people from the lots to Magic Kingdom. It was a mess. Then got stuck for an hour on a ride that broke down. Fortunately it was a boat, so it was comfortable.
I don't think we'll ever do Disney World again. The white trash is strong there along with ghetto FL residents (not all) that get the discounted season passes. Disneyland seemed more pristine when we went on that SoCal trip. Just chilly.
We have a festival in town this weekend and I'm volunteering to tidy up the grounds today. It's fucking hot. But then it will be 70º next week or something. So yes, climate does change.... lol.
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richwicks
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2022 Jul 22, 10:50am
richwicks
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2022 Jul 22, 10:50am
WookieMan says
Who will support the pedophile agenda?
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Disney
Because that's what they fucking are.
Don't believe me? They hired Victor Salva after he left prison for raping a child: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Salva#Child_sexual_abuse_and_child_pornography
James Gunn is back on their payroll: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Gunn#Firing_from_Disney_and_reinstatement
Fuck Dizzey. Don't give these fucking "not so secret gay agenda" promoters any more money. They're not promoting a gay agenda, they are now promoting pedophilia and pedophiles. Fuck them. Bury them. If you have to see their shit, pirate it. I'll help you setup a VPN if you like and explain how bit-torrent works if you like. Down with Pedowood, bankrupt them.
I don't think we'll ever do Disney World again.
Who will support the pedophile agenda?
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Disney
Because that's what they fucking are.
Don't believe me? They hired Victor Salva after he left prison for raping a child: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Salva#Child_sexual_abuse_and_child_pornography
James Gunn is back on their payroll: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Gunn#Firing_from_Disney_and_reinstatement
Fuck Dizzey. Don't give these fucking "not so secret gay agenda" promoters any more money. They're not promoting a gay agenda, they are now promoting pedophilia and pedophiles. Fuck them. Bury them. If you have to see their shit, pirate it. I'll help you setup a VPN if you like and explain how bit-torrent works if you like. Down with Pedowood, bankrupt them.
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