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2025 Oct 22, 9:13am   9,342 views  1,627 comments

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178   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   @   2023 Jan 10, 11:28am  

Patrick says




the one on the bottom is cheaper, bigger profits. Seen this too many fucking times. And when you call them out on it, they spasm screaming "this is DIVERSITY you bigots".
179   WookieMan   @   2023 Jan 10, 3:49pm  

B.A.C.A.H. says

My Prius prime gets 55 mpg in pure gasoline mode. I paid $3.799 this week for gasoline in San Jose. About 7 cents per mile.

Hybrids are the way to go. EV's are fun to drive for sure, but subsidies will stop and I don't know why anyone in their right might would pay $50k+ for a sedan or small SUV. Electric rates/charges will go up for EV cars registered to your house. Get a Honda or Toyota sedan and you're $25k in the green out the door. Over the life of an EV, you're not going to get that money back and you'll still need to charge it at your house for sure.

Even with high gas now, it's really not that bad. Both have tires and brakes. Wheel bearings. I've never heard of a modern ICE engine shitting out if you take care of it. Maybe cheap things like an alternator or starter, but it's not complicated with sealed transmission and most part easily making it 200k miles.
180   EBGuy   @   2023 Jan 10, 4:28pm  

B.A.C.A.H. says

My Prius prime gets 55 mpg in pure gasoline mode. I paid $3.799 this week for gasoline in San Jose. About 7 cents per mile.
According to the website, my Prius Prime will consume 0.25 kw-hr to travel one mile. Paid my PG&E bill last week, average cost was $0.40 per kwhr. This roughs out to 10 cents per mile, about 40% higher cost than gasoline.
And NO, I will not save $ with some kind of other "EV-charging-at-home" plan which sets punitively high rates for when not charging the EV.


That was a pretty epic rant; hard to argue with anything you said. I'm afraid to look at my electric bill this month as I'm sure I'll be hitting that $.40 per kwhr (not a net positive solar producer during the winter). Pretty wild that EV-2A rate schedule is $.55 per kwHr PEAK (4-9pm). Yeah, no thanks. The California Dream is over (hello NEM-3 !). Irony is that folks with cheap electric rates ($.15 per kwhr) would do well (or at least better) with an EV.
That said, I'm California poor and may try to cash in on the $4k used EV federal tax credit. Just gotta find a dealer...
181   socal2   @   2023 Jan 10, 5:22pm  

B.A.C.A.H. says

My Prius prime gets 55 mpg in pure gasoline mode. I paid $3.799 this week for gasoline in San Jose. About 7 cents per mile.


I don't have solar, but have the EV plan with SDG&E and pay $.14 kwh during super off-peak when I charge overnight. I get about 3.3 - 3.8 miles per kilowatt. So about 4 cents a mile.

Hybrids are great bridge vehicle to transition, but they are way more complex to build and maintain compared to a straight-up BEV. Obviously batteries are still massively expensive, but EV's have way less moving parts and components to wear out. No transmissions, oil changes, brake jobs etc....

Tesla continues to do amazing things driving down the price of batteries and getting more range. Imagine where we will be in another 10 years?

We don't need the government forcing this. EV adoption will happen on its own through market forces as EV's truly become superior in every way.


182   EBGuy   @   2023 Jan 10, 5:35pm  

socal2 says

I don't have solar, but have the EV plan with SDG&E and pay $.14 kwh during super off-peak when I charge overnight. I get about 3.3 - 3.8 miles per kilowatt. So about 4 cents a mile.

Oh my! 81 cents per kwHr peak during the summer.


https://www.sdge.com/residential/pricing-plans/about-our-pricing-plans/electric-vehicle-plans
183   socal2   @   2023 Jan 10, 5:59pm  

EBGuy says

Oh my! 81 cents per kwHr peak during the summer.


Thank God I don't have (or need) AC. I would be broke! As it is, I am always chasing after my kids turning off lights during On-Peak times. Ceiling fans running all night is not too bad.

We get the Super Off-Peak rate through 2:00PM on the weekends so we do all of our laundry on the weekends. We run the dishwasher at midnight too.

Since I went with this plan, my consumption went up over 20% but my bill went down a few bucks taking advantage of the lower rates at night.
184   Blue   @   2023 Jan 10, 6:01pm  

EBGuy says


socal2 says

Oh my! 81 cents per kwHr peak during the summer.

May god bless you, if there is any ;)
185   Reality   @   2023 Jan 10, 6:12pm  

socal2 says


Obviously batteries are still massively expensive, but EV's have way less moving parts and components to wear out. No transmissions, oil changes, brake jobs etc....


Engine and transmission can last 1/4 million miles and 20+ years, especially without government mpg regulation forcing manufacturers into small displacement turbos. No lithium battery can last 20+ years. Brake jobs are necessary on BEV's every year due to rust/sticking thanks to lack of use. "Less moving" is not a good thing when it comes to brakes. The heavy weight of massive battery wears out tires and suspension components faster, and especially wears out public roads fast, which requires asphalt and concrete to repave, both of which generate enormous amount of CO2 in production. What the heck are the refineries supposed to do with gasoline as byproduct in the production of asphalt, synthetic rubber and plastic? Making Molotov Cocktails?
186   socal2   @   2023 Jan 10, 7:15pm  

Reality says

No lithium battery can last 20+ years.


We will see. The original Model S's on the road now are about 10 years old and I am not seeing a bunch of reports of major battery degradation yet.

True about the weight of the car and impact on infrastructure. That will get better over time with less batteries/weight as they improve drive train efficiency and energy density. Tesla already uses less batteries than most other EV's in the market and gets better range.
187   SunnyvaleCA   @   2023 Jan 10, 8:50pm  

DeficitHawk says

I think people who own a home and have a garage where they can charge, and who also own more than one car for the family (so the other car can be a gas car) can make good use of electric cars.

This is spot on. I appreciate your thoughtful post. You are 100% correct that electric vehicles can make an excellent 2nd vehicle in a large number of households. They can make a great vehicle in a bunch of other circumstances, too.

Unfortunately, electric cars have become a yet another political hot topic. The over-eager government (and certain types of people) pushing electrics are actually creating stubborn resistance. Jumpstarting an industry to get above a point of sufficient quantity can be a useful strategy, but I don't think electric cars need so much push that a whole bunch of people have a bad experience.
188   Patrick   @   2023 Mar 27, 8:48pm  

https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/europe-abandons-all-electric-car


Europe Abandons All-Electric Car Mandate
Stupidity of "switch to electric" while killing power generation

Igor Chudov
1 hr ago

France24 and the Wall Street Journal (paywall-free link) report that the EU abandoned its much-ballyhooed transition to electric cars, which was supposed to culminate with a total ban on gasoline cars in 2035. ...

The transition was supposed to go on for 13 years after its announcement in 2022 but was abandoned only a year after its adoption. What happened?

Prodded by climate activists, the EU was pressured to ban fossil fuel vehicles and replace them with battery-powered vehicles. The problem is that such a transition is impossible:

Transitioning to electric passenger vehicles will increase electricity demand by 25%.

Transitioning to electric trucks will further raise electricity demand to a total of 40% increase.

EU is phasing out fossil fuel generation and replacing it with unreliable solar and wind generation - thus decreasing power availability instead of increasing it to meet greater demand.

As cars and especially trucks are charged at night, solar and wind power cannot contribute to charging.

Are electric cars more efficient?
Running a gasoline car involves:

Burning gas in the internal combustion engine and converting thermal energy to mechanical energy. That’s it.

Charging an electric car’s battery from the grid and driving the car involves:

Burning gas at the power station and converting thermal energy of gas to mechanical energy of the gas turbine. This is only moderately more efficient in a power station than gasoline cars.

Then, losses begin:

Converting the mechanical energy of the turbine into electrical energy in the generator involves generator losses

Converting medium voltage from the generator into high transmission voltage involves transformer losses

Transmitting the power along the high voltage lines involves transmission losses

Stepping down the voltage in several substations involves transformer losses again

In a home charging station, converting 220v power into DC for car charging again involves conversion losses

A chemical process in the battery being charged heats the battery, involving charging losses

Running the car’s electrical motors from the battery requires inverter losses to generate electricity for traction motors and motor losses.

Take a look at what happens when a driver needs heat in the cab:

Heating a gasoline car in winter involves redirecting waste heat (hot antifreeze) from the engine into the cab heater, thus not requiring additional fuel.

Heating an electric car requires a resistance heater or a heat pump, needing to eventually consume more energy from the grid - with all the above conversion losses included.

Which process (gasoline car vs. electric) is more efficient at converting fuel, burnt directly in the car engine or at distant power stations, into usable energy to propel a car traveling on a highway? The gas engines win outright. ...

The climate change field is full of crooks and is directed by those who recently gave us a non-working and dangerous Covid vaccine.

I do not believe them or their paid scientists any more than I believe the dishonest “Covid science.” ...
189   richwicks   @   2023 Mar 27, 8:55pm  

Patrick says


https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/europe-abandons-all-electric-car


Europe Abandons All-Electric Car Mandate
Stupidity of "switch to electric" while killing power generation

Igor Chudov
1 hr ago

France24 and the Wall Street Journal (paywall-free link) report that the EU abandoned its much-ballyhooed transition to electric cars, which was supposed to culminate with a total ban on gasoline cars in 2035. ...

The transition was supposed to go on for 13 years after its announcement in 2022 but was abandoned only a year after its adoption. What happened?

Prodded by climate activists, the EU was pressured to ban fossil fuel vehicles and replace them with battery-powered vehicles. The problem is that such a transition is impossible:

Transitioning to electric passenger vehicles will increase electricity d...



Hallelujah, they are finally seeing the light, although they've been covering their eyes for the last 10 years. Electric vehicles are a grift, a scam. Invest in a failed technology, pump it up through propaganda for years, sell, let the bagholders take a bath. Looks like it's bath time..
191   RWSGFY   @   2023 Mar 27, 10:45pm  

Patrick says

https://notthebee.com/article/one-tiny-little-detail-they-forgot-to-tell-you-about-those-electric-vehicles





That's why insurance for Model 3 is 2x of a similarly priced vehicle. At least it was for me when I priced it against a Jeep.
192   rocketjoe79   @   2023 Mar 28, 12:16pm  

It's 2x because there is still high demand for ALL Tesla Products.
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-market-share-q1-2023-cox-automotive/
They made a price reduction recently to get M3 and MY below the Federal Rebate limit. Now is the time to buy. I've been saving about 2/3 of my gas costs using electric fuel. I'm in NorCal, and I pay the highest gas and electricity costs nationwide, I believe.
Also, I had a rear-ender and didn't have to replace my battery. It's the usual, nonsense hype. Also the hype about "You'll have to replace your battery and it'll cost you a fortune!!" is overblown.
https://www.recurrentauto.com/research/how-long-do-ev-batteries-last
193   HeadSet   @   2023 Mar 28, 2:36pm  

rocketjoe79 says

It's 2x because there is still high demand for ALL Tesla Products.

I can see why high demand would increase the price of the Tesla, but why would high demand double the insurance cost?
194   rocketjoe79   @   2023 Mar 28, 5:28pm  

HeadSet says

rocketjoe79 says


It's 2x because there is still high demand for ALL Tesla Products.

I can see why high demand would increase the price of the Tesla, but why would high demand double the insurance cost?

Insurance Companies have trouble evaluating Cost-of-repair for new tech vehicles. Also, you have very few Aftermarket parts available for Tesla. This is one of the reasons Tesla Insurance was started (along with making money, of course.) Tesla gets data on each collision, and they know the cost of repairs. This should drive down costs and allow them to make future vehicles safer, cheaper and quicker to repair.
195   Misc   @   2023 Apr 14, 6:13am  

Wait till states start charging disposal fees for EVs. That'll freak the Greenies out.
196   Al_Sharpton_for_President   @   2023 Apr 14, 6:16am  

Clearly, automobiles for personal use will be banned, replaced by a state Uber service. You will own nothing….
197   Tenpoundbass   @   2023 Apr 14, 6:24am  

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

Clearly, automobiles for personal use will be banned, replaced by a state Uber service. You will own nothing….


Yeah wait until your drop off at the mall or place of employment takes over 20 minutes at peak times. Because there's a queue of cars that stretch all the way back out to the highway, creating congesting even for the EVs still on the highway.
If every ride is a point to point only. Then you wont get to your destination and park in a parking spot. You will be dropped off at the door.
What a fucking pain in the ass. I imagine you will be ticketed for being impatient and jumping out before the designated drop off. That's if the EV will have the doors unlocked so you can.

With facial recognition, imagine getting in a car. Then if there's a warrant out for your arrest, the car locks you in, and notifies the police.

The fucking Commies that be, really want the world to be a very bad 90's SciFi dystopic movie.
198   PeopleUnited   @   2023 Apr 14, 6:40am  

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

Clearly, automobiles for personal use will be banned, replaced by a state Uber service. You will own nothing….


But travel will only be allowed if you are “up to date “ on your jabs and haven’t mispronouned anyone or hurt their feelz.
199   Patrick   @   2023 May 5, 12:08pm  



200   Patrick   @   2023 May 16, 8:38pm  



201   Patrick   @   2023 Jul 5, 11:24am  




Could be fake, but funny anyway.
202   Patrick   @   2023 Jul 5, 8:51pm  



203   RWSGFY   @   2023 Jul 6, 8:43am  

Patrick says







Fat chance: if the popo didn't first witness the act of speeding and then didn't measure the speed using a certified device he can go and fly a kite, pound sand or fuck himself (his choice).

But Tesla will punish you for speeding by increasing your rate if you buy insurance from them.
204   HeadSet   @   2023 Jul 6, 8:46am  

Patrick says





More likely the car will not allow you to speed in the first place. But then again, tickets are a source of revenue.
205   HeadSet   @   2023 Jul 6, 8:48am  

RWSGFY says

Fat chance: if the popo didn't first witness the act of speeding and then didn't measure the speed using a certified device he can go and fly a kite, pound sand or fuck himself (his choice).

The precedence has already been set with red light cameras and speed cameras.
206   RWSGFY   @   2023 Jul 6, 9:43am  

HeadSet says

RWSGFY says


Fat chance: if the popo didn't first witness the act of speeding and then didn't measure the speed using a certified device he can go and fly a kite, pound sand or fuck himself (his choice).

The precedence has already been set with red light cameras and speed cameras.


Yes, it was: red light cameras have been deemed illegal and ordered to be removed in CA.
209   Patrick   @   2023 Jul 10, 9:00pm  



210   FortWayneHatesRealtors   @   2023 Jul 10, 9:05pm  

RWSGFY says

Patrick says








Fat chance: if the popo didn't first witness the act of speeding and then didn't measure the speed using a certified device he can go and fly a kite, pound sand or fuck himself (his choice).

But Tesla will punish you for speeding by increasing your rate if you buy insurance from them.


some places have license plate readers and cameras… auto tickets
211   HeadSet   @   2023 Jul 14, 1:07pm  

Patrick says





Well, i hear there are still 20,000 Model A Fords still on the road.
212   WookieMan   @   2023 Jul 14, 2:46pm  

HeadSet says

More likely the car will not allow you to speed in the first place. But then again, tickets are a source of revenue.

I don't think cops want to deal with people anymore honestly. A traffic stop is a pain in the ass for everyone. So I think they are enforcing less, at least around me. Plus why get in a situation over something minor and potentially have a gun pulled on you as a cop AND you shoot the perp and YOU go to jail.

This why I keep saying get out of cities. They don't want to patrol. I know 2 Chicago cops well. I think at 45 they can get their pension and work for another police department. They want out. Bad. Cities will become more lawless. No doubt.
214   HeadSet   @   2023 Jul 15, 9:01pm  

Booger says

Gas Car Cancellation Is Intended to End Private Transport

I called that long ago. Private cars will be for the very rich and the politicians as the rest of us will be on shared right style buses and vans. Also, I notice we do not hear much anymore about self-drive and aerial taxis.
215   FortWayneHatesRealtors   @   2023 Jul 15, 9:25pm  

HeadSet says

Patrick says






Well, i hear there are still 20,000 Model A Fords still on the road.


you can’t. government mandates a lot of it
216   Patrick   @   2023 Aug 14, 12:43pm  

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/indigenous-american-giving-monday/comment/22337511



tritorch
Writes Out Here On the Perimeter
7 hrs ago
Regarding E-Cars, here is why they want everyone in one:

Electric cars have kill switches and real time tracking of everything you do in them and they record everywhere you go. They can also be hijacked remotely by a lender or government, and programmed to keep you within your fifteen minute city.

Want to drive your car today? I'm sorry your social credit score isn't high enough, your carbon footprint has exceeded your daily limit, and your vaccination status is not up to date. Check back next week.
217   Eric_Holder   @   2023 Aug 14, 12:56pm  

Patrick says

Electric cars have kill switches and real time tracking of everything you do in them and they record everywhere you go


No need for it to be electric for all that crap to be in it.

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