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I find statements like "oh, it's such a grind to go to a gas station once a two or three weeks" or "it's so hellishly tiresome to drive 300 miles on an Indiana freeway w/o a dozen of driver aids" hilariously overblown. It's not and it's not. Maybe (and if) I'm 90 and in poor health, but not now. Thank God.

But! But Tesla! <- is what our Tesla Fluffers on PatNet will say.

Heading them off at that pass: Fuck Tesla, this is an EV thread, not a Tesla-only thread.

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

This will be annual everywhere and it's low. Just wait EV owners. I wouldn't be shocked to see $500 annual registration fees in some states. Mostly northern states with freeze thaw. Even the sedans are heavy as fuck because of the batteries. Factor in price of any EV for a comparable ICE car and you're in the hole $10k easy out the gate without the higher registration.

EV's are like giving a liberal a gun and they shoot themselves in the foot. Oh well. I'll keep my gas guzzler.

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

But! But Tesla! <- is what our Tesla Fluffers on PatNet will say.

Heading them off at that pass: Fuck Tesla, this is an EV thread, not a Tesla-only thread.

Eh? Tesla would take about the same (or more, due to bigger battery) to fully charge on a 110V outlet. Not sure what's news here exactly. That woman being a stupid cunt who didn't do her homework before plunking down a chunk of cash?

Eric Holder says

Eh? Tesla would take about the same (or more, due to bigger battery) to fully charge on a 110V outlet. Not sure what's news here exactly. That woman being a stupid cunt who didn't do her homework before plunking down a chunk of cash?

Yeah, you need at least 220V on a 50amp breaker. The funny part is if you have natural gas, LED lights, efficient appliances, etc. you could power a 1,500 sq. ft. house on that. But that's what you'd need to power a car. Ain't cheap to run that at home either. Looking at $3-5k for electric install on top of overpaying for an EV. Talking a sedan too. CT or a Rivian would be even more. At least $20k in the hole.

How much gas is that? Oil change? All other maintenance is pretty similar. Maybe a starter or muffler. Still way cheaper for an ICE. Better range. Easier fill up.

WookieMan says

Looking at $3-5k for electric install on top of overpaying for an EV.

May be $3k for an attached garage where you only have to fish through drywall and 2x4's. 220VAC 50A requires 3x6AWG conductors and a ground wire. If you have a detached garage you'll be running that through Schedule 80/40PVC at 18inch depth or IMT conduit (metal) at 12 inch depth with the appropriate sub panel and isolated grounding rods installed in the out building. Around here you would be looking at $10k for that much work if you hired an electrician.

I'm all on board with EV's as long as we are limiting that to Weed wackers and leaf blowers. I love not having to get an ICE engine running to do a 15 minute job on my yard. As far as driving anywhere past the end of my driveway in a four wheeled version of my Greenworks leaf blower? Naw ... I'm good with my V8 pickup.

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

But! But Tesla! <- is what our Tesla Fluffers on PatNet will say.

Heading them off at that pass: Fuck Tesla, this is an EV thread, not a Tesla-only thread.

And surprise! Surprise!

Eric Holder says

Tesla would take about the same

Oh, look, you can buy your own remote controlled personal incinerator, in case you can't make it to the long lines at state sponsored suicide pods. Only problem is, you're not the one with the remote control.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/08/dozens-rivian-evs-go-up-massive-ball-fire/

WookieMan says

Eric Holder says

Eh? Tesla would take about the same (or more, due to bigger battery) to fully charge on a 110V outlet. Not sure what's news here exactly. That woman being a stupid cunt who didn't do her homework before plunking down a chunk of cash?

Yeah, you need at least 220V on a 50amp breaker. The funny part is if you have natural gas, LED lights, efficient appliances, etc. you could power a 1,500 sq. ft. house on that. But that's what you'd need to power a car. Ain't cheap to run that at home either. Looking at $3-5k for electric install on top of overpaying for an EV. Talking a sedan too. CT or a Rivian would be even more. At least $20k in the hole.

How much gas is that? Oil change? All other maintenance is pretty similar. Maybe a starter or muffler. Still way cheaper for an ICE. Better range. Easier fill up.

Yeah, resi power 2 legs would be 240V. So total wattage on that 50 amp dual pole would be 9.6 kW, if you maintain the 20% safety factor for the circuit. Have a 90 kWh EV battery at 50%? Charging is what 85% efficient? So 45 kWh / .85 = 52 kWh, and 5.5 hours on that 9.6 kW charger. If you let it start at 9pm it’ll be done at 2:30am, hopefully ….

https://www.rideapart.com/news/728316/samsung-ss-ev-battery-coming-soon/

How does a 20-year lifespan and a nine-minute charging time sound?

Plus, Samsung’s solid-state battery comes with all the perks associated with these types of batteries including lighter weight and improved safety thanks to a more stable thermal balance. But perhaps the best part is that Samsung’s solid-state battery tech has around 500 watt-hours per kilogram. That’s nearly double the energy density of the batteries found in most EVs today. And so in the real world, we could be looking at about 600 miles of range on a single charge.

Stout says

Samsung’s solid-state battery

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2398896-what-are-solid-state-batteries-and-why-do-we-need-them/
What are solid-state batteries and why do we need them?
Batteries containing solid electrolytes have many theoretical benefits, but a technique to manufacture them cheaply has been elusive

It has electrolytes

LOL! Cybertrucks are bullet proof but blow up in the rain?

I wound up behind one the Toyota hydrogen cell cars coming into my hood in Santa Cruz. I didn't recognize the nameplate, so I looked it up. They are still in the stage of being 'wealth show off and conversation piece' cars, I presume, before improving and becoming a bit more mainstream.

Regular computerized cars can be kill boxes, too, but I guess electric cars are state of the art. I had a strange experience tonite. I was idling in the driveway waiting for my wife before we were going to Santa Cruz. The retired judge next door and his new squeeze drove by behind our car and when they were right behind me, the electronics of my car shut down for a moment until they drove by to their house, then they came back on. I have to figure out what kind of jamming is going on there.

Ceffer says

I wound up behind one the Toyota hydrogen cell cars coming into my hood in Santa Cruz. I didn't recognize the nameplate, so I looked it up. They are still in the stage of being 'wealth show off and conversation piece' cars, I presume, before improving and becoming a bit more mainstream.

No they are not: you can get a 2 yo one for $15K with a $15K fuel card on the hood. Hardly a "wealth show off", LOL.

Makes them sound quite do-able.

I know someone in South Bay who got Mirai. He is very happy with the Car for the last about 2 years. The drawback is, he can’t drive away from Bayarea and slight anxiety about running out of hydrogen.
Once, elsewhere I owned a car that runs with both LPG and regular gas. With simple flip switch, fuel source can be changed. Perhaps, those models could make sense financially in US as well.

Gas/oil is proven. I ain't switching. I know multiple EV owners, they're not popular here in IL. They all have had dead batteries at some point. I'm V8 or bust. I tow weekly. Carpool and pick up or drop off up to 6 kids. No EV meets those specs. No range anxiety.

They're zippy cars. If your dick is that small then own it. I'd say the same of Corvette owners. A to B, function and reliability. ICE has all. Even if it wasn't overpriced like they are, I ain't touching them over the utility factor.

Blue says

I know someone in South Bay who got Mirai. He is very happy with the Car for the last about 2 years. The drawback is, he can’t drive away from Bayarea and slight anxiety about running out of hydrogen.

There are no more than 5 hydrogen filling station in the whole Bay Area and if you read reviews on google maps they are down more time then they are up. So in addition to hydrogen price tripling over the last year or two you are dealing with the hassle of driving out of your way to fill up and maybe driving some more if the station you drove to is down. Then there is waiting in line because sometimes the station is crowded and sometimes the nozzle freezes to the car and you need to wait consideable time for it to unfreeze. It's a shitshow and a major PITA.

August EV sales in Germany were down 69% y-o-y, and down 44% across the EU.

Wonder what they are for the US.

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

August EV sales in Germany were down 69% y-o-y, and down 44% across the EU.

Wonder what they are for the US.

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

August EV sales in Germany were down 69% y-o-y, and down 44% across the EU.

Wonder what they are for the US.

Can't imagine it has anything to do with this.

German economy unexpectedly shrinks, inflation ticks higher
https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/german-economy-unexpectedly-shrank-by-01-second-quarter-2024-07-30/

socal2 says

Can't imagine it has anything to do with this.

Zee Germanz like to drive fast on the Authobahn and EVs are no bueno for that.

Eric Holder says

Zee Germanz like to drive fast on the Authobahn and EVs are no bueno for that.

?? Won't a Model S hold its own against Porshe, et al?

Once the envy of the world, Germany’s car brands now weigh heavily on its struggling economy

Germany’s car industry was once recognized around the world for its high-quality, innovative internal combustion engine cars. Owning a German car was a luxury and status symbol. And carmakers were thriving, boosting the country’s economy.

But the picture has since become bleaker.

The latest example is the developments at Volkswagen
— which earlier this week said it was no longer able to rule out plant closures in its native Germany and felt it may need to end its employment protection agreement that has been in place in the country since 1994.

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/09/06/once-the-envy-of-the-world-germanys-car-brands-are-weighing-heavily-on-its-struggling-economy.html

HeadSet says

?? Won't a Model S hold its own against Porshe, et al?

A Model S Plaid or Model 3 Ludicrous will smoke a Porsche and every other car on the road less than $250,000. Hell - my middle to low trim Model Y will smoke 98% of the cars on the road.

Germany's economy is tanking due to sky high energy prices due to their idiocy of dismantling their nuke plants and the war in Ukraine impacting their ability to get cheaper gas from Russia.

HeadSet says

Eric Holder says

Zee Germanz like to drive fast on the Authobahn and EVs are no bueno for that.

?? Won't a Model S hold its own against Porshe, et al?

On Zee Autobahn? LOL

Here's a hint: the Cannonball run record time for gas cars is currently sitting at less than 26 hours. For EVs it's over 42 hrs. All you need to know.

RWSGFY says

Here's a hint: the Cannonball run record time for gas cars is currently sitting at less than 26 hours. For EVs it's over 42 hrs. All you need to know.

Good thing that 99.999% of the available US car market will never have to do a Cannonball run.

Would you be impressed if GM came out with a sedan that had a 150 gallon gas tank so it could drive coast to coast without stopping for fuel?

socal2 says

RWSGFY says

Here's a hint: the Cannonball run record time for gas cars is currently sitting at less than 26 hours. For EVs it's over 42 hrs. All you need to know.

Good thing that 99.999% of the available US car market will never have to do a Cannonball run.

Would you be impressed if GM came out with a sedan that had a 150 gallon gas tank so it could drive coast to coast without stopping for fuel?

But we're talking about Zee Germanz and their beloved Autobahn, aren't we? If you ever driven Tesla you know that it gets very unhappy and loses range very fast when driven above 70 mph. 70 mph is painfully slow for Zee Autobahn. And if you drive at 120+
mph, you'll spend the better part of the day charging and recharging and recharging some more. Kinda like with EVs and towing.

socal2 says

HeadSet says

?? Won't a Model S hold its own against Porshe, et al?

A Model S Plaid or Model 3 Ludicrous will smoke a Porsche and every other car on the road less than $250,000. Hell - my middle to low trim Model Y will smoke 98% of the cars on the road.

Top end speed. No. Electric motors get tapped out. ICE can go ape shit top speed.

There would be land speed records with EV's. Nope. Hasn't happened. Your Tesla would get smashed by most high end ICE cars less that $250k.

The problem is you can't turn a wrench on an EV. I could make a Honda Civic faster than your Tesla. You're stuck with what you got. I personally don't care about small dick syndrome with speed and acceleration. My big dick needs utility. Not some zippy car that maybe can tow 2k lbs. without breaking.

WookieMan says

Top end speed. No. Electric motors get tapped out. ICE can go ape shit top speed.

Yeah - but we are talking about driving cars on public streets. Very few people (including Germans) have access to or are going sustained Autobahn speeds for hundreds of miles notstop.

A Tesla being able to get to the speed limit (and then some) instantly with all that nonstop and amazing feeling torque is what it is all about. It just never gets old. So silky smooth and quiet so you are not being an obnoxious douche while driving in traffic.

socal2 says

WookieMan says

Top end speed. No. Electric motors get tapped out. ICE can go ape shit top speed.

Yeah - but we are talking about driving cars on public streets. Very few people (including Germans) have access to or are going sustained Autobahn speeds for hundreds of miles notstop.

A Tesla being able to get to the speed limit (and then some) instantly with all that nonstop and amazing feeling torque is what it is all about. It just never gets old. So silky smooth and quiet so you are not being an obnoxious douche while driving in traffic.

And yet, Zee Germanz are not impressed. They want the Autobahn-driving capabilities in addition to stoplight boy-racer capabilities. Not that I see many ... scratch that ... any Teslas accelerating at even 10 sec to 60 mph rate on the streets.

Yes, EV Fluffers of PatNet! Do tell us what this light means...

Ceffer says

Yes, EV Fluffers of PatNet! Do tell us what this light means...

Ceffer says

socal2 says

So silky smooth and quiet so you are not being an obnoxious douche while driving in traffic.

I can't stand loud and obnoxious cars and motorcycles specifically. As I've said before, I need utility and range. No EV can provide that yet. I appreciate that it's quiet, but that would be the only benefit for me. I don't need fancy infotainment screens and crap like that. No one does really. You should be driving and not distracted.

I tent camp, but I tow a trailer with about 500lbs of gear. Trailer itself is 1,200lb. Say I go to Ely, MN from northern IL, which I do. I'd need to charge 3 times maybe 4 over 550 miles and that's in areas of WI and MN that don't have many chargers. I'd stop 5 minutes for fuel in my SUV one time where a gas station is available every 5-10 miles.

It would need to be full charges as well. We're talking adding close to 3 hours on an already long road trip. Fine, one stop is for a sit down lunch, but that's assuming I can find a charger and then walk or uber to the restaurant. Likely have to detach the trailer, leave that unattended to get a full charge since they're generally not pull through. This is money, time and potential theft of my stuff.

Enjoy them if you do. I just don't see the value in them at all. Until I can get 400 miles on a charge with a trailer in 5 minutes with one stop, I will never buy one. Oh and fits 5 people in it comfortably. Which adds to the weight and less range which no one accounts for. Humans have mass. 3 boys that are all about to be teenagers weighing 120lbs plus, my 220lbs ass and my wife. That's 500-600lbs load just to move people. That would reduce range 5-10% likely.

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

Yes, EV Fluffers of PatNet! Do tell us what this light means...

Ceffer says

This is why I keep my golf cart about 20' away from my house. I'd never park it in a garage unless I had a sprinkler system. Forgot to talk to my insurance buddy about it, but I wonder if they're going to start asking on home owners insurance applications if you have an EV.

Not necessarily the battery, but the charging of the car inside the garage. How that's installed. I could see home owners insurance rates jumping if they own an EV.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13918593/Florida-Hodges-family-Tesla-fire-burned-flooding-Hurricane-Helene.html

Florida family-of-nine narrowly escape wild blaze after Tesla burst into fireball during Hurricane Helene flooding

zzyzzx says

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13918593/Florida-Hodges-family-Tesla-fire-burned-flooding-Hurricane-Helene.html

Florida family-of-nine narrowly escape wild blaze after Tesla burst into fireball during Hurricane Helene flooding

It's a pain, but I usually cover my golf cart after most uses, but especially if rain is in the forecast.

I accidentally arch'd (sp?) the battery terminals once. Holy fucking sparks. I wanna keep that thing dry, but not in my house. So cover it is. Helps with UV tire rot as well. Just a pain in the ass as I use it daily usually.

Teslas actually do pretty good driving through fresh water.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzA0U53HF2g
https://www.tiktok.com/@6abcactionnews/video/7327816600290168106

But you definitely don't want to have those large batteries soaking in seawater for an extended periods of time and still parked in your garage.

Tesla instructs owners to park their Teslas on the street away from their houses if they are unable secure their homes and vehicles before an upcoming hurricane.

Even ICE cars will be totalled after soaking in seawater for a few hours.