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Chevy Bolt is only about $27,000 MSRP

Bolt is discontinued. Most cheap cars will be.

Hybrids are not EVs. Can't be compared.

https://www.forbes.com/wheels/news/chevrolet-bolt-discontinued/

PumpingRedheads says

Hybrids are not EVs. Can't be compared.

Yes, I understand as the range is about 44 miles for a Toyota Prius Hybrid on the electric batteries and electric motor. So its good as far as commuting to work and then charging it at night. Its a commuter car for electric vehicle (EV) mode.

Nissan Leaf has a base MSRP of $28,140.

I just saw Tesla's website which shows a $31,490 MSRP for Tesla 3.

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A Chinese satellite can fly over and make them all blow up at the same time. Better than carpet bombing in WWII.

28K is not cheap for a base car. That 28K gets you hubcaps, cloth upholstery, and crank window handles.

Also as I keep finding out with Mazda over the years, they never ever have a base model in stock. You go there for a 18K car, and all they had was 27 to 35K cars.

Tenpoundbass says

Also as I keep finding out with Mazda over the years, they never ever have a base model in stock. You go there for a 18K car, and all they had was 27 to 35K cars.

I understand. We got lucky back around April 2021 with the lowest price Honda CRV (white color) at $32,000 out the door with extended warranty (100,000 miles or 8 years) and 1.5% financing for 6 years.

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Tenpoundbass says

Also as I keep finding out with Mazda over the years, they never ever have a base model in stock. You go there for a 18K car, and all they had was 27 to 35K cars.

Yes, just like trying to buy a 2-door pickup truck and all the dealers have on the lot are the upscale 4 door versions.

I want the cheap Chinese EVs to flood the market so I can watch peeps have gunfights over the charging stations.

At my apartment laundry, if some asshole leaves their done laundry in the machine for more than 20 min, I pull their crap out and put on top of the machine so I can start my laundry. I expect the same treatment if I leave my clothes in there too long.

EV geeks are already doing the same with parked EVs that are done charging. Only the spoiled EV owners are used to having their own laundry machines so go ballistic.

PumpingRedheads says

I want the cheap Chinese EVs to flood the market so I can watch peeps have gunfights over the charging stations.

At my apartment laundry, if some asshole leaves their done laundry in the machine for more than 20 min, I pull their crap out and put on top of the machine so I can start my laundry. I expect the same treatment if I leave my clothes in there too long.

EV geeks are already doing the same with parked EVs that are done charging. Only the spoiled EV owners are used to having their own laundry machines so go ballistic.

"The same" meaning they put EVs of spoiled owners on top of the chargers? 🤡

So China is striking while the Iron is being submerged in ice water. I think the tech challenges, failures, hazards, and charging logistics, is what is going to do it in. Even if they sold EVs for $3500, eventually local fire safety and electrical codes, will put the brakes on it

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/11/report-googles-green-dream-goes-downhill-100-electric/

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2023/11/06/self-driving-disaster-gms-cruise-enters-damage-control-mode-over-robotaxi-fiasco/

PumpingRedheads says

I want the cheap Chinese EVs to flood the market so I can watch peeps have gunfights over the charging stations.

I do not think it will get to that point. If we have a flood of EVs, they will come equipped with electronics that will limit when you can charge, such as Tuesdays between noon and 4 PM. Also how often, such as once every two weeks. The goal of the EV mandate is not to get less carbon than ICE, it is to curtail driving by the public.

HeadSet says

If we have a flood of EVs, they will come equipped with electronics that will limit when you can charge, such as Tuesdays between noon and 4 PM.

They don't have that here or anywhere else in the world.

PumpingRedheads says

They don't have that here or anywhere else in the world.

10 years ago we would not shut down the country for a cold and force injections. If everyone has an electric car and the corresponding demand on the grid, we will have charging restrictions.

I think ultimately they want Government controlled on demand EV's that you don't actually own yourself. But a taxi or government self driving Uber.
Or even all electric buses.

As that would be the ONLY way electric vehicles for the masses will be feasible. A scenario where local Electric companies can set up power stations, that's sole purpose are to charge hundreds or thousands of EVs, and can control the wattage without it bringing down the grid.
The best place for Charging stations would be right outside the gate of an FP&L power plant.

About to become more expensive to charge the EV.

EV Charging Station SPACs go SPLAT!

https://wolfstreet.com/2023/11/17/the-collapse-of-ev-charger-spacs-chargepoint-ceo-sacked-cfo-out-revenues-plunge-losses-mount-shares-96-from-peak-evgo-not-far-behind/

PumpingRedheads says

About to become more expensive to charge the EV.

EV Charging Station SPACs go SPLAT!

https://wolfstreet.com/2023/11/17/the-collapse-of-ev-charger-spacs-chargepoint-ceo-sacked-cfo-out-revenues-plunge-losses-mount-shares-96-from-peak-evgo-not-far-behind/

Chargepoint is a fucking joke: their shitty chargers are just 6kW, which means it takes fucking hours to add any meaningful range.

Reality says

Brake jobs are necessary on BEV's every year due to rust/sticking thanks to lack of use.

I'm not sure about lack of use part: I once was at a stoplight next to a ModelX and noticed that the front brake rotor had a very pronounced ridge around the edge, meaning they were at least 1-2mm down from the original thickness. Now, this is not unusual for ICE cars and on average happens after 50-80K miles (depending on the pad compaund), but having this much wear doesn't really fit with the "EVs don't use brakes at all" narrative. Of course that ModelX could've had 400K miles on the clock - we'll never know.

Eric Holder says

Chargepoint is a fucking joke: their shitty chargers are just 6kW, which means it takes fucking hours to add any meaningfu

Most of them are. Especially public (government) bathrooms...er, chargers.

PumpingRedheads says

HeadSet says

If we have a flood of EVs, they will come equipped with electronics that will limit when you can charge, such as Tuesdays between noon and 4 PM.

They don't have that here or anywhere else in the world.

Didn't Swiss passed something along these lines recently?

PumpingRedheads says

HeadSet says

If we have a flood of EVs, they will come equipped with electronics that will limit when you can charge, such as Tuesdays between noon and 4 PM.

They don't have that here or anywhere else in the world.

Can you not see trends?

How about this:
It is the year 2010 and someone says that in the future, with all the "trans rights" push, we will have men who claim to be women competing and winning on women's sports teams.

Your answer "They don't have that here or anywhere else in the world."

Obligatory:

Anyone think Ford could bring back the Pinto as an EV? Pinto-E.

HeadSet says

Anyone think Ford could bring back the Pinto as an EV? Pinto-E.

I was just thinking today, how Ford could resurrect the PInto with modern look and materials.
They almost could just put a Ford Badge on the Mazda 3 hatchbacks, and call them a PInto.
But definitely a 2 door coupe, and not 4 doors. I don't know about electric.
How about an AMC Gremlin EV?

Tenpoundbass says

HeadSet says

Anyone think Ford could bring back the Pinto as an EV? Pinto-E.

I They almost could just put a Ford Badge on the Mazda 3 hatchbacks, and call them a PInto.

Mazda is not under Ford's yoke anymore.

Back in 1950's Germany you could take your VW bug to shops that would pull your old engine and install a rebuilt one in a half hour. One solution for EV's is to have easily swappable batteries. You could pull into a station and they could drop your discharged battery and install a charged one in less time than it takes to fill up your RAV4 with gas.

Onvacation says

Back in 1950's Germany you could take your VW bug to shops that would pull your old engine and install a rebuilt one in a half hour. One solution for EV's is to have easily swappable batteries. You could pull into a station and they could drop your discharged battery and install a charged one in less time than it takes to fill up your RAV4 with gas.

Good for fleets, but I don't want someone else's used battery.

Booger says

Good for fleets, but I don't want someone else's used battery.

Yes, but they are also getting your used battery.

Seems to me a charged and tested battery in minutes beats lining up at the supercharger station.

https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/ev-graveyard-reckoning-hardly-anyone-wants-buy-used-one

The EV Graveyard Reckoning, Hardly Anyone Wants To Buy A Used One

Booger says

lol. Not a joke, but always keep a roll of TP in your car. I've had to drop a #2 on the side of the road a few times. Back when the Boy Scouts weren't gay, be prepared was a pretty good slogan. I also would shit in our vacant listings if I needed to. Brought my own roll.

Such a derailment of the thread, but whatever. Kohl's if you're a dude is the best place to take a shit during working hours M-F. It's only women in the store. They keep their bathrooms clean. And 99% of the time it will be a solo dump with no one in there. All bets are off on weekends though.

Onvacation says

Back in 1950's Germany you could take your VW bug to shops that would pull your old engine and install a rebuilt one in a half hour. One solution for EV's is to have easily swappable batteries. You could pull into a station and they could drop your discharged battery and install a charged one in less time than it takes to fill up your RAV4 with gas.

This...

Plus some sort of automatic battery ejection mechanism for when the batteries catch on fire.

just_passing_through says

Plus some sort of automatic battery ejection mechanism for when the batteries catch on fire.

Not going to happen. Not practical. Plus where are you going to potentially eject it to? I mean unless you can eject it to the ocean or a lake, what good is it going to do.

@booger I was just joking. I know my jokes aren't as funny as yours but I guess that one was unusually flat.

just_passing_through says

Plus some sort of automatic battery ejection mechanism for when the batteries catch on fire.

Just do a "hot swap."

Could always eject the passengers instead?