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I do like Tesla despite what seems like constant bashing from me. It’s a regional car that’s expensive compared to alternatives. They’re nearing market saturation. It doesn’t save money. Not green. Doesn’t work well in rural areas which is about 80% of America. It’s simply fun to drive and that’s it.

I don’t like stock predictions but I don’t see how Tesla can continue to sustain.

As I’ve said a day of reckoning is coming. This is from a deep blue green tard state/city…. https://www.chicago.gov/content/dam/city/depts/COFA/OtherReports/MFT.pdf

I had an auto mechanic saying he's all for every car being electric one day.
By time I told him all of the reasons why they wont be, he was convinced otherwise. He tried to stop me, thinking the only negative thing I was going to say, is how hard the rare earth materials are to come by. But that one is the last one on my list. As we have 10 times more than China does, but it's locked up in National Parks like Yellow Stone.

It's a nice technology, that if it wasn't being shoe horned, it would be much more stable and practical. If you like electric cars, then you should get an electric car. They should not be subsidized, nor should every model be a spying smart luxury car.

The day electric cars become the only means, driving will no longer be a privilege but a class. A class that most people wont be a part of. They will dictate who gets to have or not have a car.

Tenpoundbass says

It's a nice technology, that if it wasn't being shoe horned, it would be much more stable and practical. If you like electric cars, then you should get an electric car. They should not be subsidized, nor should every model be a spying smart luxury car.

No disagreement there.

WookieMan says

I keep my golf cart parked outside, 20' from the house at closest. If it burns all I can do is let the battery burn the son of a bitch. Oh well. Better than my house and I technically wouldn't even need to call the fire department. I know the risk with an electric cart.

Swap out the lithium batteries for AGM batteries.

zzyzzx says

WookieMan says

I keep my golf cart parked outside, 20' from the house at closest. If it burns all I can do is let the battery burn the son of a bitch. Oh well. Better than my house and I technically wouldn't even need to call the fire department. I know the risk with an electric cart.

Swap out the lithium batteries for AGM batteries.

He's just invested shitload of money into the lithiums. Swapping them again would be imprudent.

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Tesla only about 25% above fall of 2020 price level ... Tesla's real return is 25% minus 15% inflation, or 10% since 2020

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For anyone who hasn’t driven a Tesla, or own one, give it a try and experience it first hand. I agree with this poster’s write up.

“Tesla is increasingly politicized. The extreme circumstances of which I don't think any car manufacturer has ever seen or endured this long. This is unfortunate and unfair to the designers, engineers, and the vehicles themselves to not get a fair shake. I think the way to overcome that is once again to get butts in seats. Without experiencing it personally, everyone will naturally reach an uninformed initial opinion of something when it is inherently foreign to them and divisive in nature. However, that surface-level prejudiced opinion (prejudiced, btw, on both excessively negative and excessively positive sides) melts away when it becomes a real, lasting experience like I've had the pleasure to have. It then is no longer a conceptual debate but is a life experience. Then, the odds of a more accurate understanding increase tenfold.”

https://x.com/unpluggedtesla/status/1751284051556835779?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

I’m also an early reservation holder for the Cybertruck and has been asked to design mine and take delivery. Due to the GVWR if the CT, it qualifies for IRS Section 179 business deduction.

Experience from a truck driver who had never driven a Tesla before. Seems like Semi trucks work for regional for now. Tesla is working on ramping up Semi production this year. Cost savings, or not, will be determine in the coming years.

https://x.com/gailalfaratx/status/1751246432584003679?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

https://x.com/evasteslasplaid/status/1750843655634530477?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

WookieMan says

So seeing a Tesla isn't a big deal because wages have to match the high cost of living.

We got so many Teslas that the HOV lane is the slow lane.

This is just too funny. I'm supposed to ignore everything about EVs just because I like how it accelerates? Too funny. Wookieman has detailed the ridiculousness of EVs already. I will say that IMO the green agenda is all about 1 thing and 1 thing only...$$. How do you make ungodly amounts of money if you are a partner with the government? I'm not talking about just Elon. I'm talking about every politician and corporation that stands to gain monetarily. Change. Change, especially when you can front run the change, is extremely profitable. EVs simply do not make sense over an ICE vehicle.

If that's a truck, then this is a breathing device....

The Cybertruck may look unconventional to some, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. It’s definitely not for everyone. Some people are going nuts with their Cybertruck.

It’s also interesting to know where the designer got their concept/design from.

You're a rich guy right, Eman? Why not get yourself a real car.

Why does Tesla feel they must be different to the point of making ugly vehicles? They have even less, I assume, restraints on design.

GNL says

Why does Tesla focus on making ugly vehicles? They have even less, I assume, restraints on design.

Status. While some one may mistake your Model 3 for a Nissan or Toyota, no one will mistake that cybertruck for anything but a Tesla.

Eman says

The Cybertruck may look unconventional to some, but beauty is in the eye of the behold

True, but Honda and GM tried a different look for a pickup (original Honda Ridgeline, Chevy Avalanche, Cadillac Escalade Truck), but all went back to the conventional looking pickup.

Tesla's design is not an improvement. No, in fact it's a downgrade in design and functionality.

Beauty is beauty. I guess Tesla doesn't believe they can compete with beautiful cars. Seriously, no one ever creates something with the intent of the thing being ugly. Or do they? Are there any examples of where a manufacturer created something with the intention of the thing look different for the sole purpose of looking different? Even to the point that 1. The design sucks 2. It's fugly and 3. It was/is a successful product?

Communism always creates ugly shit.

GNL says

You're a rich guy right, Eman? Why not get yourself a real car.

What is your definition of rich? What is a real car? Honest questions. There must be some basis to compare.

A buyer of a Tesla Model S is not in a market for a Camry hybrid or not. A person buying a new Model X is not in the market for a Rav 4 or a Nissan Armada, forget about a used one. This is why I insisted on comparing apples to apples.

HeadSet says

Eman says

The Cybertruck may look unconventional to some, but beauty is in the eye of the behold

True, but Honda and GM tried a different look for a pickup (original Honda Ridgeline, Chevy Avalanche, Cadillac Escalade Truck), but all went back to the conventional looking pickup.

I guess this is why the Rivian truck is doing well? It’s more conventional looking than the Cybertruck? People vote with their checkbook. Let’s give it a year or two and see how the Cybertruck does compared to the Rivian. I don’t think the Ford Lightning is doing as well as the Rivian.

Eman says

What is your definition of rich? What is a real car? Honest questions. There must be some basis to compare.

I assume your income is in the 7 figures. A real car is, IMO, a car that can go anywhere at any time. Tesla cannot do that.

GNL says

Eman says

What is your definition of rich? What is a real car? Honest questions. There must be some basis to compare.

I assume your income is in the 7 figures. A real car is, IMO, a car that can go anywhere at any time. Tesla cannot do that.

Anywhere, any time! 3.5 mpg.

GNL says

Beauty is beauty. I guess Tesla doesn't believe they can compete with beautiful cars. Seriously, no one ever creates something with the intent of the thing being ugly. Or do they? Are there any examples of where a manufacturer created something with the intention of the thing look different for the sole purpose of looking different? Even to the point that 1. The design sucks 2. It's fugly and 3. It was/is a successful product?

Model S looks good. The rest look worse because stretching or shrinking of the original rarely match, let alone exceed it.

UkraineIsFucked says

It also turns out Mississippi has the lowest per capita income of all states. California is top 5, and very high population.
Charts can lie.

It was never about EV vs REAL CARS. It was a trap.

https://youtu.be/fNK0mUhRKDo?si=rtHYa1l4aqvIjNfg

PeopleUnited says

GNL says

Eman says

What is your definition of rich? What is a real car? Honest questions. There must be some basis to compare.

I assume your income is in the 7 figures. A real car is, IMO, a car that can go anywhere at any time. Tesla cannot do that.

Anywhere, any time! 3.5 mpg.

I didn't mean to include rock climbing. I meant anywhere as in the car won't be stranded because there's nowhere to charge it. Let's see a Telsa go the length of route 66 without getting stranded.

GNL says

Eman says

What is your definition of rich? What is a real car? Honest questions. There must be some basis to compare.

I assume your income is in the 7 figures. A real car is, IMO, a car that can go anywhere at any time. Tesla cannot do that.

Is your definition of rich making 7 figures/year? Not rich is making less?

By your definition, Tesla is a real car FOR US. We haven’t had any issues going anywhere we wanted to go FOR US. We don’t own an ICE car and don’t see us going back to one in the future. 4 of our siblings are 100% Tesla households. Some are 50/50. Some get free charging at work. They work for where we live. That’s why I repeatedly said do what works for us. Do what we can control. No need to force anyone to do anything.

GNL says

Beauty is beauty. I guess Tesla doesn't believe they can compete with beautiful cars. Seriously, no one ever creates something with the intent of the thing being ugly. Or do they? Are there any examples of where a manufacturer created something with the intention of the thing look different for the sole purpose of looking different? Even to the point that 1. The design sucks 2. It's fugly and 3. It was/is a successful product?

To your points, which products, could you think of, that have an ugly design and a success?

If the Cybertruck outsold the Rivian, Ford Lightning, and Hummer trucks combined in the next year or two, would you consider it’s a success?

Eman says

No need to force anyone to do anything.

But that's not what's going to happen. I believe things will become more and more restrictive.

Eman says

If the Cybertruck outsold the Rivian, Ford Lightning, and Hummer trucks combined in the next year or two, would you consider it’s a success?

Yes, depending on how many years. Hummer was big. Now I don't see them at all. Are we going to compare each vehicle at their highest sales volumes? Lots of vehicles are going to go the way of the Dodo bird simply because of the government. EVs have an unfare advantage going forward, no? I believe something similar happened that helped the VW bug sell more cars than ever in history. Would you really call that success?

All EV trucks are on the same playing field aren’t they? This is why I compare this “fugly” Cybertruck to other conventional looking trucks. If the goal is for the Cybertruck to over taken the F-150, I don’t see it happening.

I’m a realist. I like to compare apples to apples. I won’t wast my time with people who compare apples to oranges to make a point.

Going back to your definition of “rich”. What is your definition? I can’t answer your question if I’m rich, or not, without knowing your definition.

Ok, you're saying let's see if the cybertruck outsells other EV trucks? In that case, well I'm not sure. I can't imagine anyone would want the cyber truck over a "normal" looking EV truck all things considered. Yes, I guess we'll see.

Is top 10% considered rich any more?

GNL says

Ok, you're saying let's see if the cybertruck outsells other EV trucks? In that case, well I'm not sure. I can't imagine anyone would want the cyber truck over a "normal" looking EV truck all things considered. Yes, I guess we'll see.

Is top 10% considered rich any more?

I don’t know. You tell me since you’re the one asking the question. I don’t know what is considered rich. As I mentioned before, households in the Bay Area making $350-$500k/year consider themselves “middle class”. Is that middle class to you?

350-500 is upper middle class where I live. Certainly at the 500 mark.

Very interesting. Who would have thought?



https://x.com/teslaconomics/status/1751653318362108182?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

Eman says

Very interesting. Who would have thought?



https://x.com/teslaconomics/status/1751653318362108182?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

What? A bunch of photoahopped Tesla Fluffing bullshit?

UkraineIsFucked says

Eman says

Very interesting. Who would have thought?



https://x.com/teslaconomics/status/1751653318362108182?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

What? A bunch of photoahopped Tesla Fluffing bullshit?

Photoshop is the first thing I thought also.