patrick.net

A bit "technical" but proves my point. https://lawecommons.luc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2090&context=lclr

They're gonna come after you guys. Hybrids as well, which is the ultimate future. You'll pay even more for what you overpaid for a vehicle when you have to repair your suspension because of shitty roads. Winning, I guess?

If anyone, who doesn’t have solar, but is worried about power outages, consider installing a power generator.

My biz partner installed a power generator for his house, which is capable of generating equivalent to his electricity grid. It’s tied to the PG&E gas supply line. If there’s a power outage, it will kick on. Instead of paying for electricity, you pay for gas during that duration. He paid $10k to have it installed.

He has a single story Eichler house, and his neighbors have tall trees. Solar was not a viable option while he drives an X. Just food for thought.

WookieMan says

You get a hot summer and you guys are fucked even if you have the free super charger. Your car won't work.

If we have no electricity, how are the gas pumps at gas stations going to work? The pumps won't work, nor would the payment systems. Most power outages don't last for more than a day or so. Anything longer, and EVERYTHING will have issues, not just EV's.

Also, it takes 4 kWH of electricity just to refine 1 gallon of gas. That is the equivalent of my Model Y driving 15 miles just on the electricity it takes to refine a gallon of gas. That doesn't even factor in the costs and energy needed to transport the refined gasoline to the gas station.

Think of all the electricity we could save and less wear and tear on our roads if we don't need to refine and haul billions of gallons of gas all over the country.

It’s only February. Let’s go Tesla. 🚀🚀

Did it win any awards for being fugly?

Looking at getting one of the new 3's for the wife and handing her Hyundai Santa Fe down to one of my kids.

I hope the Model Y gets its update before next January when I am due to turn in my lease and get a new Tesla. All the reviews on the upgraded 3 are very good.

GNL says

Did it win any awards for being fugly?

Not yet. Did any car ever win any awards for being fugly?

socal2 says

Looking at getting one of the new 3's for the wife and handing her Hyundai Santa Fe down to one of my kids.

I hope the Model Y gets its update before next January when I am due to turn in my lease and get a new Tesla. All the reviews on the upgraded 3 are very good.

Good choice. It’s getting raving reviews. The hope for the refreshed Y is this summer, or later this year at the latest.

As much I love the ride of the M3P, I’ll likely settle for a MYP or CT from a safety POV. Since we have a ton of credit for the solar we installed last summer, I’ll see how much credit we use up before tagging on more EV tax credit. The solar tax credit can be spread out over 5 years, but the EV tax credit is only good for 1 year. It’s good not to be in a rush to buy.

Eman says

GNL says

Did it win any awards for being fugly?

Not yet. Did any car ever win any awards for being fugly?

i think pontiac vibe did, for sure had it in the bag.

Eman says

Good choice. It’s getting raving reviews. The hope for the refreshed Y is this summer, or later this year at the latest.

I hope you are right. They have to be cagey about announcing so they don't "Osbourne" current Model Y orders.

Eman says

Solar was not a viable option while he drives an X

Then that $10k installed generator will not be viable for that X either. Both solar and that price generator would be around 25kW.

HeadSet says

Eman says

Solar was not a viable option while he drives an X

Then that $10k installed generator will not be viable for that X either. Both solar and that price generator would be around 25kW.

It’s adequate based on what he told me. He tested it and ran all appliances at the same time in his house to be sure, and it worked.

Based on my tracking, Tesla draws about 9.6 kW/hour on a 50A circuit breaker so it should work just fine. Owner also has the option to reduce it down to 40A, or 30A, or even less if desired.

socal2 says

Eman says

Good choice. It’s getting raving reviews. The hope for the refreshed Y is this summer, or later this year at the latest.

I hope you are right. They have to be cagey about announcing so they don't "Osbourne" current Model Y orders.

I think it has already osbourned some. I know people who are waiting on 1) the tax credit of the refreshed Model 3 to kick in, and 2) the refreshed Y.

The low hanging fruits would be to use US made batteries/minerals and get the 3 to qualify for the $7.5k tax credit. This will boost sales bigly. And when the refreshed Y comes in the 2nd half of this year, it will 🚀.

Just my 2 cents.

Eman says

Based on my tracking, Tesla draws about 9.6 kW/hour on a 50A circuit breaker so it should work just fine. Owner also has the option to reduce it down to 40A, or 30A, or even less if desired.

What does a 50A breaker run you? 50' and maybe 100'? You do know the gauge of wire needed? You're already in a $20-50k overpriced car. Where are the savings? The electric alone will be $5-10k. You think you're gonna pay $50k in gas in 5 years? Nope.

Enjoy the drive. I don't dislike you for that. Just be realistic it is not cheaper or green. It's not. Kind of by a long shot. Again, it's coming, the tax hit. Gas tankers are maybe 1-2% of large vehicles. Regular cars cause more issues overall because of frequency. 30 cars versus 1semi cause more damage to roads. The day of reckoning is coming my friend. I don't want to see Tesla fail, but the day of reckoning is coming. Shit grid. Rare earth minerals run out. You're taxed out the ass. No one will buy them.

Hybrids can plug into a 20A regular circuit and get 60-90 miles. Still fuel up if needed. I don't get the disconnect here with you Eman and Socal. It doesn't make any sense. I can get a used car for $20k less that's bigger with more utility. My gas alone would be cheaper than the electric bill and that's assuming it is zero. You pay more for the car. That has to be factored in. Then pay for solar panels? lol. This is backwards logic. You're $100k deep in a car not saving you money. It's math.

WookieMan says

I don't get the disconnect here with you Eman and Socal.

For me - my Tesla Model Y was the cheapest luxury sports car I could afford. It is faster and more practical than a Porsche. Sure I could save some money and drive a Nissan or Toyota sedan, but what's the point of making a decent salary if I can't ENJOY some toys?

I LOVE driving my Tesla and can't stand driving ICE cars with primitive friction brakes grinding out, jerky transmissions, low torque, no all wheel drive and no cool features like auto-pilot and world class audio/visual system. Wife and I were enjoying Arrested Development on Netflix in my car this weekend while waiting on our son to finish practice.

I have been driving new cars for 25 years and am very aware of what my monthly cost of operation is - and I can confidently tell you that driving a Tesla is cheaper than driving other equivalent luxury cars. Maybe California changes all the tax structures to put EV's out of business down the road (doubtful) - but I have had an absolute blast the last 6 years driving EV's and saving money. I am currently ahead of the game.

The disconnect as I see it is, the original discussion started by Wookie toward EV owners is that EVs are neither cost effective, convenient nor environmentally friendly. He got plenty of pushback. I think all those are generally accepted in this group as well as acknowledging they're 1. A toy for the well healed and 2. Limited use cases.

GNL says

I think all those are generally accepted in this group as well as acknowledging they're 1. A toy for the well healed and 2. Limited use cases.

That was the case a few years ago. Elon always said he wanted to start with making high-end expensive cars with high margin then move onto more affordable cars as they ramp up production and perfect manufacturing.

The Model Y was the best selling car in all of the world last year. There must be alot of well healed people on the planet.

Also, the average Tesla exceeds the needs over over 90% of the US market based on their daily driving needs. Tesla's supercharger network is 2nd to none (getting better every day) which allows for long hauls.

But if you are one of the 10% who can't charge at home and drives 300+ miles every day, an EV is not a good choice.

socal2 says

GNL says

I think all those are generally accepted in this group as well as acknowledging they're 1. A toy for the well healed and 2. Limited use cases.

That was the case a few years ago. Elon always said he wanted to start with making high-end expensive cars with high margin then move onto more affordable cars as they ramp up production and perfect manufacturing.

The Model Y was the best selling car in all of the world last year. There must be alot of well healed people on the planet.

Also, the average Tesla exceeds the needs over over 90% of the US market based on their daily driving needs. Tesla's supercharger network is 2nd to none (getting better every day) which allows for long hauls.

But if you are one of the 10% who can't charge at home and drives 300+ miles every day, an EV is not a good choice.

You are conveintly leaving out the weight of these vehicles and the charging time on your way home from work.

I admit that IF Tesla did sell more cars than any other manufacturer, that is impressive. You say that is a lot of "well healed" people. What is the number of cars sold that were under $50G?

GNL says

You are conveintly leaving out the weight of these vehicles and the charging time on your way home from work.

For the majority of EV owners who charge at their homes at night - charging isn't even a second thought. I drive about 15,000 miles a year and only charge in my garage 1 or 2 times a week. Couldn't be easier.

GNL says

I admit that IF Tesla did sell more cars than any other manufacturer, that is impressive. You say that is a lot of "well healed" people. What is the number of cars sold that were under $50G?

It's true. Not just best selling EV or best selling luxury car, best selling car........period in 2023. Tesla did all of this despite no advertising and lots of Liberals and Conservatives hating on Elon.

I have yet to meet a Tesla driver/owner that plans on going back to ICE cars after enjoying the thrill and benefits of driving a GOOD EV.
https://driving.ca/auto-news/industry/teslas-model-y-world-best-selling-vehicle-2023

socal2 says

Tesla did all of this despite no advertising and lots of Liberals and Conservatives hating on Elon.

They've been advertising. I'm not sure how you haven't noticed. Heavy on Youtube. Likely an algorithm but they for sure have been. I've seen at least a couple ads a day.

I don't hate Musk or the cars. Just don't tout them as being green, cheaper than similar sized ICE cars that are half the cost. Takes 5 years to make up the cost of gas at least. Admit you've sat at charging stations for 30-45 minutes. I guess be honest about the car and its flaws. Price, inflated savings numbers, charging time, etc.

The actual driving experience didn't really move me. I don't need acceleration. I need utility and there's no Tesla that provides that from what I can get out of my current car. The charging stations are not set up for a Cyber Truck, so you're fucked at most stations if towing. People have been having to disconnect a trailer to charge. There goes 10 minutes before even getting it hooked up. I don't have time for that shit. I guess some people do.

WookieMan says

The charging stations are not set up for a Cyber Truck, so you're fucked at most stations if towing. People have been having to disconnect a trailer to charge.

Bwahaha, the hits just keep on coming. That is sad...so sad. On top of all that, the truck is fugly.

Heard people have been renting the Cybertruck for $400-$800/day with 2-3 days minimum. They’re not kidding.



https://turo.com/us/en/truck-rental/united-states/san-francisco-ca/tesla/cybertruck-awd/2521513?endDate=02%2F25%2F2024&endTime=10%3A00&startDate=02%2F22%2F2024&startTime=10%3A00

Looks like someone is having fun with their Cybertruck.



https://x.com/sawyermerritt/status/1760042563799589319?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

I share the sentiment. Love Tesla mobile service. These techs are so good at what they do. $20 tip each time for about 15-30 minutes of work.



https://x.com/mahkusg/status/1759985230566568155?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

🤔



https://x.com/wholemarsblog/status/1759762232081338568?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

Eman says

Looks like someone is having fun with their Cybertruck.

Apparently there is a "boat mode" where the battery can seal itself to protect it from water.

Won't be long before people will be rigging up outboard boat motors using the 220 outlet for power.

socal2 says

Eman says

Looks like someone is having fun with their Cybertruck.

Apparently there is a "boat mode" where the battery can seal itself to protect it from water.

Won't be long before people will be rigging up outboard boat motors using the 220 outlet for power.

I didn’t know that. It has 110V and 220V outlets in the trunk bed. Are these water tight?

Don’t have $30k to burn on a Foundation Series so I’ll wait. 😅

Tesla is working on getting the model 3 qualifying for the $7.5k tax credit. 🚀🚀



https://x.com/sawyermerritt/status/1759962755732533750?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

Eman says

Heard people have been renting the Cybertruck for $400-$800/day with 2-3 days minimum. They’re not kidding.

Money don't make you smart. At least not in everything.

socal2 says

Eman says

Looks like someone is having fun with their Cybertruck.

Apparently there is a "boat mode" where the battery can seal itself to protect it from water.

Won't be long before people will be rigging up outboard boat motors using the 220 outlet for power.

I heard they're working on an intergalactic mode. You'll be able to visit YourAnus.

Eman says

Heard people have been renting the Cybertruck for $400-$800/day with 2-3 days minimum. They’re not kidding.

Got a beanie baby for me? Who the flying fuck would pay $400/day for a rental??? I know, a complete retard.

Even in urban areas I can easily get a car for $60/day from a reliable rental place that does the same thing. This is retardation on a scale I haven't seen really in my lifetime. But I know it's been posted. Companies and commercial speak more than than consumers that are blind. https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/hertz-sell-about-20000-evs-us-fleet-2024-01-11/

Cyber Truck is a novelty that will die very quickly. Maybe 2 years.

WookieMan says

Eman says

Heard people have been renting the Cybertruck for $400-$800/day with 2-3 days minimum. They’re not kidding.

Got a beanie baby for me? Who the flying fuck would pay $400/day for a rental??? I know, a complete retard.

Even in urban areas I can easily get a car for $60/day from a reliable rental place that does the same thing. This is retardation on a scale I haven't seen really in my lifetime. But I know it's been posted. Companies and commercial speak more than than consumers that are blind. https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/hertz-sell-about-20000-evs-us-fleet-2024-01-11/

Cyber Truck is a novelty that will die very quickly. Maybe 2 years.

If someone is willing to pay $400-$800/day to rent the Cybertruck, they must have an intention for it be it making a YouTube video for their subscribers and making money on it, or whatever else. How could you call someone retarded when you didn’t know anything about them?

When the first batch of Cybertruck came out. The rental rate was $1-$1.2k/day. The market dictates how much a car can rent for regardless of how ridiculous anyone thinks of it. Your opinion is irrelevant.

Eman says

Your opinion is irrelevant.

Unequivocally false. That's the fucking payment per month for a day. That is pure retardation. 100%. Not even debatable. It's overpriced trash. Can't tow shit at mileage. It's a useless vehicle.

I'll give the sedans a chance, but they're also useless and don't work everywhere. Pure EV's are reaching market saturation. We still haven't even dealt with the one's that have 100k miles on them.

This is a stupid conversation that I know I'm right on. Tesla or whoever is not the future of cars. Legacy brands are with hybrids. Think what you want, you're wrong.

WookieMan says

Eman says

Your opinion is irrelevant.

Unequivocally false. That's the fucking payment per month for a day. That is pure retardation. 100%. Not even debatable. It's overpriced trash. Can't tow shit at mileage. It's a useless vehicle.

I'll give the sedans a chance, but they're also useless and don't work everywhere. Pure EV's are reaching market saturation. We still haven't even dealt with the one's that have 100k miles on them.

This is a stupid conversation that I know I'm right on. Tesla or whoever is not the future of cars. Legacy brands are with hybrids. Think what you want, you're wrong.

You think people spend $400-$800/day to rent a Cybertruck and have no use for it?

Eman says

When the first batch of Cybertruck came out. The rental rate was $1-$1.2k/day.

But now it's $400-$800 a day and falling like a rock?

GNL says

Eman says

When the first batch of Cybertruck came out. The rental rate was $1-$1.2k/day.

But now it's $400-$800 a day and falling like a rock?

To me, folks, who are willing to pay these rates, are on-line influencers. They make several thousands to tens of thousands a month. It was a hot commodity when it first came out. They wanted the clicks and viewerships. Now that a few thousands of the Cybertruck have been delivered, the blink has lost its luster. It’s the market. Supply/demand. Just a matter of time before it rents for $100-$120/day.

This guy is a pretty good car reviewer. He reviews a lot of cars. His clips are about a minute each. Others are 10-30 minutes.

https://x.com/thejefflutz/status/1760374479329366325?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

Finally saw my first Cybertruck in the wild when I was up in Riverside today. Just a fleeting glimpse on the back of a semi trailer with a bunch of other Tesla Model Y's and 3's being delivered somewhere. Total head turner.

There is a Cybertruck on the other side of my neighborhood that my kids have seen parked on the street and apparently alot of the kids at school are going mental over it taking selfies and trying to find it.

I agree with this guy, and a few Tesla guys also shared the same sentiment. Can’t justify the $30k delta for the Foundation Series. Let the folks, who really want it, get it first. We’re fine with the regular version.



https://x.com/teslapatri66930/status/1760427395494916150?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q