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MolotovCocktail says

WTF did NATO do in Yugoslavia then?

They claimed ethnic cleansing was going on

Ceffer says

What happened to the peace plan where Russia could have all of Ukraine and drop nukes on Switzerland for ten days?

Someone read fine print.

mell says

They claimed ethnic cleansing was going on

So?

They dictated terms..especially to Serbia to give up territory.

Nope. The funds that Europe sent to Ukraine from the frozen Russian funds were only the interest those funds had earned. The principal wasn't touched, and the funds the Europeans sent to Ukraine are kinda forgotten about in the Peace Plan.

What causes financial instability in Euroland is the realization of losses on the debt European banks loaned to the Ukraine prior to 2022. This amounts to about $195 billion. US banks kept their noses clean, but the money laundering-kickbacks-graft-corruption was well attended by European actors well before the Russian incursion. The loans have been sitting on the banks' books at par since hostilities started but the losses will be realized eventually even though European Banking regulators will let the Euro banks keep pretending.

Whitehouse statement on meeting with Ukraine.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/2025/11/joint-statement-on-united-states-ukraine-meeting/

LOL! That's team spirit.

Everything EU et NATO et alia do is bent to destroy Ukraine and start WWIII. It is their only goal and all else is blather and fake theater. If they can't do that, then they must answer to their demon lords who they have failed.

I guess he must be from Planet UkieFluffer.

LOL! As you can see, short of absolute conquest by the Russians and/or the Ukrainian leader rats expatriating to their foreign bungalows and pilfered bank accounts, they will continue with their job description from the City of London and EU to become as insanely unreasonable as required to shut down any peace negotiation.

Fleeing Ukrainian detained by US Border Patrol agents....

Back and forth, back and forth, see saw hee haw. Will peace be settled as long as CIty of London can continue using them as a football? Remember all that international blackmail Ukraine has over the criminal enterprises? Trump hopium has been going on fumes for quite some time.

Ceffer says

I guess he must be from Planet UkieFluffer.

Definitely retarded enough.

Reminds me of some of the rantings of Ukey Nazi & BRICS fluffers here on PatNet.

Rods of God on City of London and Brussels, and see how fast this 'war' (aka mass human sacrifice and depopulation and crime scene obliteration) resolves.
So, ongoing, for every 'solution', there will be an equal and opposite non-negotiable anti-solution?

AND....drum roll...the deal is dead. Long live the deal.

Ceffer says

AND....drum roll...the deal is dead. Long live the deal.

It was always going to be toast:

MolotovCocktail says

Except now Trump can say, "Ok...we are done with this shit. We tried."

Everyone thank Vicky Nuland and Lindsey Graham for this crap. McCain too, but he’s dead so no point.

MolotovCocktail says

Except now Trump can say, "Ok...we are done with this shit. We tried."

I think that is most Americans take. I think the Ukraine war has kind of warn thin on most people. Basically who cares anymore.

The problem with the whole conflict was Russia looking like shit at first and incompetent and Americans thought Ukraine could win. So people jumped on board. Russia is incompetent, but they have people and nukes as a last ditch effort. US is not going to nuke back. Until Ukraine and Z realize this they'll get their asses handed to them and have a demographic collapse if it already hasn't happened.

This is a Europe problem at this point. Not a US problem.

Irony again of so called 'Banderites' fleeing to Israel? Of course, it is a Rothschild/City of London military outpost as has been Ukraine. Our buddy Benjamin Fulford says that Hitler is the father of Israel.



https://t.me/CIG_telegram/65589

Mighty EU in action !

Security guarantees is what started WWII. Let's not do that again.

Patrick says

Security guarantees is what started WWII. Let's not do that again.

It's what started WW1.

FortWayneHatesRealtors says

Everyone thank Vicky Nuland and Lindsey Graham for this crap. McCain too, but he’s dead so no point.

Yes, as the former PM of Ukraine was not interested in joining the EU and wanted to increase trade relations with Russia (as it had with the other European countries). That was when Obama's CIA decided to help overthrow him in 2014.

So Witless Witkoff takes "peace plan" written for him by his butt buddy Dmitriev (with whom he partnered in a corrupt Zaryadya Park deal back in 2015-ish) and crudely translated to English to Donnie and says Pukin will agree to it, guaranteed. Donnie says ok, do it. He takes it back to Moscow as a Big Beautiful Trump's Peace Plan, waits for 3 hours to get an audience with Pukin, then spends 5 hours going through every point with Pukin (according to the Bellend himself) and the whole thing gets flat-out rejected.

Witless Witkoff looks like a clown (but he's used to it), Kushner, who was dragged along on the promise of "sure thing", looks like a clown (this one is not used to it, for now) and Donnie looks like one because he again fell for the Lucy's football trick.

Everybody puffs their cheeks and says "productive talks" while being exactly at the point Donnie was 1 year ago when he started calling his "buddy" Vlad whom he "knows well".

Clown world.

Zaryadya is old news. Witless Cunt is developing some buildings in Moscow RFN. With Dmitriev and Blavatnick.

LOL! There will be no'peace agreement'. Just road bumps on the Freemason planned WWIII from City of London and Brussels. The difference is that one would hopium neither Trump nor Putin will fall for the bullshit of WWI and WWII, both equally fake and equally arranged/false flagged.

Eric Holder says

So Witless Witkoff takes "peace plan" written for him by his butt buddy Dmitriev (with whom he partnered in a corrupt Zaryadya Park deal back in 2015-ish)

Putin! Putin! Putin!

They are just negotiating their lead time to dive into their luxury bomb shelter tunnels. We are literally living the Kubrick movie "How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love The Bomb".

https://x.com/amuse/status/1996729649196409062

Trump's 3 Choices In Ukraine (A Win-Win-Win For Russia)

With the War in Ukraine now approaching its fifth year and possibly reaching a climatic stage, it’s timely to offer an overview of the situation.

This overview has three vectors – the situation on the battlefield, the corruption scandal rocking Kyiv, and the prospects for the success of the Trump peace plan.

The thread that connects these three vectors is the role of the Russian Federation and specter of Vladimir Putin.

Let’s look at these vectors separately and then unify them in the end.

On The Ground

The situation on the battlefield is straightforward. Russia is winning the war decisively and is now poised to take all Ukrainian territory east of the Dnipro River, the main waterway that divides east and west Ukraine.

The Donbas consists of two Russian-speaking provinces in eastern Ukraine called Donetsk and Luhansk. Russia has formally annexed the Donbas into the Russian Federation, although the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) continue to fight to retain them. Russia has scored a series of key victories in Mariupol (2022), Bakhmut (2023) and Avdiivka (2024). A major AFU counteroffensive in 2024 failed totally.

U.S. and NATO weapons have been of no benefit to Ukraine. Armored vehicles including Abrams, Challenger and Leopard tanks and Bradley Fighting Vehicles have been left burning on the battlefield. Precision artillery has been made useless by the Russian ability to jam the GPS guidance systems. Ukraine’s initial advantage in drones has been crushed by Russia’s war mobilization and ability to produce thousands of drones per month.

F-16 fighter jets are shot down with ease by advanced Russian anti-aircraft systems. Patriot anti-missile systems are being blown-up by Russian hypersonic missiles that the west does not even possess. Ukraine has managed some attacks on Russian energy infrastructure inside Russia, but these have been no more than pinpricks and have been easily repaired. Meanwhile, the entire Ukrainian power grid has been severely degraded by Russian drones and missiles as bitter cold winter weather approaches.

Now, Russia has taken Pokrovsk, a medium-sized city in the Eastern Donbas closer to the Dnipro River. The significance of Pokrovsk is not its size, but its role as a major logistics hub for rail and road transportation. Pokrovsk is the distribution center for almost all AFU military operations in the Donbas region. Now, pockets of Ukrainian resistance in other cities such as Kramatorsk, Slovyansk and Lyman are without supplies of food and ammunition and are gradually being surrounded.

A Prelude to Victory. Pokrovsk is considered the gateway to Donbas and the key to allowing Russia to capture the rest of the region. When it was taken, it now gives Russia a new “jumping off” point into other major cities in the Donbas.

At the same time, the Russians have surrounded another major city in the north called Kup’yansk at the head of the Oskil River, not far from the provincial capital city of Kharkiv. Once Kup’yansk falls, the way will be open to surround Kharkiv. The Ukrainians have already stated to evacuate civilians from that city. These encirclement maneuvers are in addition to a major pincer movement in central Donbas focused on Kostyantynivka, Yablunivka and Toretsk.

The result is that the Russians are making major offensive moves in the north, central and southern areas of the Donbas and AFU positions are crumbling due to lack of food, ammunition and manpower. By this winter, there will be little standing in the way of a full-on Russian race to the Dnipro.

Beyond that, the Russians would look to the eventual taking of Kharkiv, Odessa and the portion of Kherson on the western bank of the Dnipro. Russian control of Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia, Kherson and the entire Black Sea coast of Ukraine would be complete. There would be nothing left of Ukraine except a landlocked rump state and the cities of Kyiv and Lviv.

Russian never wanted to conquer all of Ukraine. It wanted to secure the Russian-speaking areas and strategic points along the Dnipro River and the Black Sea Coast. With a much larger population, larger economy, better technology, full war mobilization, gold reserves, and the complete failure of Western economic sanctions, it is close to achieving those goals.

A Corrupt Kyiv

While Russia advances, Kyiv collapses politically. A major corruption scandal has emerged, implicating many of the top political leaders around the Ukrainian military dictator Zelensky. The accusations involve kickbacks and bribes from major Ukrainian energy companies.

This is the same racket that Hunter Biden and the Biden Crime Family conducted from 2014 to 2022, but on a larger scale. One key figure close to Zelensky has already fled to Israel (which has no extradition treaties). Zelensky’s top aide Andrii Yermak has recently resigned. All signs point to Zelensky himself being implicated in this scandal.

The only real scandal is why this current scandal wasn’t revealed earlier. This corruption has been going on in Ukraine for over thirty years. A lot of the corrupt money was being funneled back to the Democratic Party, which is why the U.S. never pursued the matter under Obama or Biden. When Trump tried raising the issue in 2019, he was impeached for just discussing it on the phone.

The implication is that the U.S. is now allowing the investigation to move forward because it’s time for Zelensky to move to one of his mansions in Miami, Dubai or Spain. The anti-corruption commission in Ukraine is controlled by U.S. appointees and funded with U.S. money. The message to Zelensky is to sign the Trump peace treaty or run for your life – perhaps both.

Three Choices for Trump

This brings us to the peace process currently underway. Top White House negotiator Steve Witkoff, aided by Jared Kushner and Secretary of State Marco Rubio, have just met with Putin in Moscow after discussions with Zelensky and NATO allies including the UK, France and Germany.

The Trump peace plan began a few weeks ago with 28-points. These points were narrowed down to 19-points after discussions with Zelensky. The exact text of this plan has never been revealed to the public and it is a work in progress.

In the main, we know it would cede the Donbas, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson to Russia up to the Dnipro River. Russia would give up a small patch of Ukrainian territory in the Sumy region, which was never on Russia’s list of goals. Russia would also give up its designs on Odessa. Ukraine would agree never to join NATO and maintain a kind of neutrality between east and west.

Russia’s list of demands to end the war has scarcely changed since before the war. It includes demilitarization, de-Nazification, neutrality, no NATO membership and protections for the Russian-speaking population. As Zelensky attacked the Russian Orthodox Church in Ukraine, Russia’s list expanded to include protections for the Church.

The biggest change in the Russian position has involved the annexation of Ukraine territory into the Russian Federation. Russia began the war with Crimea and quickly expanded its territory to include the Donbass. The longer the war lasts, the more territory Russia gains. There should be no expectation that Russia will return any of this land except Sumy. Today, Russia claims Ukrainian territory up to the Dnipro River that is has not yet occupied but expects to in the ongoing offensive.

The Russian position is very close to the original Trump 28-point plan – close enough to get a deal done. The problem is that NATO and Zelensky have changed the Trump deal in the last two weeks of negotiations. These changes include “boots on the ground” in the form of a peacekeeping force comprised of NATO troops and security guarantees that would oblige NATO members to come to the aid of Ukraine in the event the Russians engaged in future military action. Of course, Russian military action could easily be provoked by Ukrainian covert operations or drone attacks.

In short, the Ukrainian additions to the original peace plan amount to NATO status without formal NATO membership and lay the foundation for a new war. It would be the same package of lies the west has served up to Moscow in the Minsk I and Minsk II agreements, not to mention the Maidan “color revolution” in 2014 orchestrated by CIA, MI6 and Ukrainian Nazis.

Trump’s Choices. While the outcome is uncertain in the war, the timing is not. We’ll know within a week or two which way this is going. Russia wins in every scenario.

The Trump team is between a rock and a hard place. If they push the modified peace plan with the Ukrainian changes, Russia will say no. If they agree to the Russian position with slight concessions by Moscow, then Ukraine, France, Germany and the UK will say no.

Trump has three choices:

The first is to stick with the modified plan, in which the case the war will drag on.

The second is to agree to the Russian position and force Zelensky out of office in favor of a new leader who will agree. In that event, the war will end quickly. Western Europe doesn’t really matter in this scenario – they’re vassal states.

The third is just to walk away; something Trump should have done last February when it was still Biden’s war. It’s not too late to do that, although Trump will be branded as a Putin Puppet by the DC warmongers.

My estimate is that the first scenario will play out.

But Trump has enormous capacity to surprise the world, so one cannot discard the second scenario. The third scenario seems unlikely because it’s a no-win for Trump politically, even though it would be the cleanest course militarily.

While the outcome is uncertain, the timing is not. We’ll know within a week or two which way this is going. Russia wins in every scenario. The only variables are the size and speed of the victory.

https://dailyreckoning.com/trumps-3-choices-in-ukraine-a-win-win-win-for-russia/

The EU as a whole, has exhibited in every way that they possibly could. That they are 10 times, more authoritative, Marxist, enemies of Freedom, and Western traditions and ideas.

While Putin has made no such proclamations in his own country, that further erodes the freedom of his own citizens.

Fuck Ukraine, and all of the EU as a whole. They are a shit stain on humanity that will need to be dealt with before the world can ever heal.

If Trump does succeed in this term draining the swamp and restoring our republic to its former glory. We will have to fight the EU in a bloody nasty war, that will top WWI and WWII rolled together in one. They are far a greater threat than Putin and Russia.

Putin just wants a clean doorstep. The EU commies want complete world domination, and they are on a quest to destroy the sovereignty of ever free nation in the world to achieve it.

Anyone still sucking Zelinski's dick is an idiot.

Donnie T needs to pull his head out of Stevie Witless' ass because him blindly following the self-serving dealings of that corrupt idiot and playing surrender monkey will cost us the midterms.

Here's why:

Nearly two-thirds of Americans want the US to continue sending weapons to Ukraine — even as the Trump administration tries yet again to negotiate an end to the almost four-year-old war, a new poll of national security priorities has found.

The Reagan National Defense Survey, released Thursday, found that 64% of Americans favor sending lethal aid to support Kyiv’s government, up nine percentage points from last year and the highest proportion since the Russian invasion began in February 2022.

Slightly more (65%) support giving Ukraine long-range cruise missiles, such as Tomahawks, to allow strikes deep inside Russian territory — while 68% support selling American-made weapons to European allies, who would then provide them to Ukraine.

Unlike in 2024, a majority of Republicans (59%) support sending weapons to Ukraine to fight off Russia’s invasion, up from 44% last year. Three-quarters of Democrats support aiding Ukraine, up from 68% one year ago.

In other issues related to Europe’s deadliest conflict since World War II, a plurality of Americans (45%) support Ukraine’s “full territorial liberation” from Russia, while 23% say Kyiv should cede territory in exchange for “peace and security guarantees” and 22% favor a cease-fire along the current battle lines.

Meanwhile, nearly seven in 10 Americans (69%) favor the US and Europe providing Ukraine with a collective defense commitment similar to NATO’s Article V and almost three-quarters (74%) favor establishing a demilitarized zone controlled by European forces with the support of US airpower.

“These findings show that Americans’ bipartisan commitment to Ukraine has strengthened over the past year,” said the Ronald Reagan Foundation & Institute, which conducted the survey. “The public favors a strategy which combines sustained US support, European burden-sharing, and credible deterrence over territorial concessions or premature disengagement.”

Donnie won because of his populist stance. Now he's trying to push an unpopular agenda because his butt buddy Stevie and his loser SIL want to profit from dealing with KGB fucks. This will not work neither for them nor for us. If he doesn't start fucking up the Commies ASAP he might as well start lubing up for long 2 years of being a lame duck with only entertainment in Congress being impeachment hearing after impeachment hearing.