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Patrick
2026 Jan 5, 5:17pm
Patrick
2026 Jan 5, 5:17pm
TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter says
I was wondering what the exact legal problem would be.
But did he really characterize lawful orders as illegal?
he characterized lawful military operations as illegal and counseled members of the Armed Forces to refuse lawful orders
I was wondering what the exact legal problem would be.
But did he really characterize lawful orders as illegal?
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RWSGFY
2026 Jan 5, 5:20pm
RWSGFY
2026 Jan 5, 5:20pm
Patrick says
I didn't hear or read him doing so. A proof would be nice.
TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter says
he characterized lawful military operations as illegal and counseled members of the Armed Forces to refuse lawful orders
I was wondering what the exact legal problem would be.
But did he really characterize lawful orders as illegal?
I didn't hear or read him doing so. A proof would be nice.
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Misc
2026 Jan 5, 5:55pm
Patrick says
It was a propagandas piece put out by the Democrats to weaken the military's morale.- That was the intent.
Under military law that's all that's required. No wishy washy "I said don't obey illegal orders". The intent was to distract service members from the chain of command. I wonder how far they're gonna bust him.
But did he really characterize lawful orders as illegal?
It was a propagandas piece put out by the Democrats to weaken the military's morale.
Under military law that's all that's required. No wishy washy "I said don't obey illegal orders". The intent was to distract service members from the chain of command. I wonder how far they're gonna bust him.
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Patrick
2026 Jan 5, 6:44pm
Patrick
2026 Jan 5, 6:44pm
Misc says
This is certainly true.
It was a propagandas piece put out by the Democrats to weaken the military's morale. - That was the intent.
This is certainly true.
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TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter
2026 Jan 5, 7:06pm
TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter
2026 Jan 5, 7:06pm
Patrick says
Here:
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/26456665/secretary-hegseths-letter-to-senator-kellys-counsel.pdf
The Bold is the actionable part, stating that the Commander in Chief and the Chain of Command is pitting the military against citizens, thus casting doubt on the chain of command while subject to the USCMJ. Additionally, saying that the Guard performing legal tasks (as upheld by SCOUTS) are not lawful orders
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/26456665/secretary-hegseths-letter-to-senator-kellys-counsel.pdf
I was wondering what the exact legal problem would be.
But did he really characterize lawful orders as illegal?
Here:
Additionally, on November 18, 2025, you participated in and distributed a video titled
"Don't Give Up the Ship," in which you identified yourself as "a Captain in the United States
Navy" and stated: "We want to speak directly to members of the military ... This administration
is pitting our uniformed military ... against American citizens ... You can refuse illegal orders.
You must refuse illegal orders ... Know we have your back ... Stand up for our laws, for our
Constitution."
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/26456665/secretary-hegseths-letter-to-senator-kellys-counsel.pdf
The Bold is the actionable part, stating that the Commander in Chief and the Chain of Command is pitting the military against citizens, thus casting doubt on the chain of command while subject to the USCMJ. Additionally, saying that the Guard performing legal tasks (as upheld by SCOUTS) are not lawful orders
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/26456665/secretary-hegseths-letter-to-senator-kellys-counsel.pdf
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clambo
2026 Jan 5, 9:18pm
Kelly advised enlisted people to refuse unlawful orders; however he was reckless because he makes the assumption that someone is giving illegal orders.
Kelly should be tried for treason and surely should lose his military pension.
Just for being an ugly asshole he should be thrown in jail. Guys that ugly shouldn't be walking around.
Kelly should be tried for treason and surely should lose his military pension.
Just for being an ugly asshole he should be thrown in jail. Guys that ugly shouldn't be walking around.
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SharkyP
2026 Jan 6, 10:46am
SharkyP
2026 Jan 6, 10:46am
I don’t believe he said anything illegal. The video in question was designed to play to the stupid and uninformed. I’d add Democrats, but that would be redundant.
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HeadSet
2026 Jan 6, 12:08pm
HeadSet
2026 Jan 6, 12:08pm
SharkyP says
I believe that video was designed to get troops to be afraid to follow legal orders that Dems did not like, under the idea that when the Dems get back in power they will consider those orders illegal and go after anyone who followed them.
The video in question was designed to play to the stupid and uninformed.
I believe that video was designed to get troops to be afraid to follow legal orders that Dems did not like, under the idea that when the Dems get back in power they will consider those orders illegal and go after anyone who followed them.
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stereotomy
2026 Jan 6, 4:40pm
stereotomy
2026 Jan 6, 4:40pm
HeadSet says
^^^^^
This.
SharkyP says
The video in question was designed to play to the stupid and uninformed.
I believe that video was designed to get troops to be afraid to follow legal orders that Dems did not like, under the idea that when the Dems get back in power they will consider those orders illegal and go after anyone who followed them.
^^^^^
This.
Therefore, in response to Senator Mark Kelly’s seditious statements — and his pattern of reckless misconduct — the Department of War is taking administrative action against Captain Mark E. Kelly, USN (Ret). The department has initiated retirement grade determination proceedings under 10 U.S.C. § 1370(f), with reduction in his retired grade resulting in a corresponding reduction in retired pay.
To ensure this action, the Secretary of War has also issued a formal Letter of Censure, which outlines the totality of Captain (for now) Kelly’s reckless misconduct. This Censure is a necessary process step, and will be placed in Captain Kelly’s official and permanent military personnel file.
Captain Kelly has been provided notice of the basis for this action and has thirty days to submit a response. The retirement grade determination process directed by Secretary Hegseth will be completed within forty five days.
Captain Kelly’s status as a sitting United States Senator does not exempt him from accountability, and further violations could result in further action.
These actions are based on Captain Kelly's public statements from June through December 2025 in which he characterized lawful military operations as illegal and counseled members of the Armed Forces to refuse lawful orders. This conduct was seditious in nature and violated Articles 133 and 134 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, to which Captain Kelly remains subject as a retired officer receiving pay.
https://x.com/SecWar/status/2008189258528665898?s=20