patrick.net

So I can’t verify this, but it seems correct and is the very best most detailed explanation I’ve read:

This is one of the most interesting responses I got to the law enforcement post. I have his identity. But he needs to stay anonymous. READ IT ALL.

“I am a current ICE Use of Force Instructor with over a decade of federal law enforcement experience as well as nearly two decades of military experience. I can tell you the situation is "lawful but awful" because it is justified, but it's awful for a lot of reasons (i.e. she didn't need to try to drive through, she was 5 hrs from home allegedly and engaged in protesting, etc).

He is also a firearms instructor, a field intelligence officer (both in Border Patrol and now in ICE), and he is also a field intelligence officer and assigned to the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force - he is a VERY experienced officer.

ICE use of force policy does state what others have been arguing that he cannot create a danger. however, they had stopped her and were attempting to take her out of the vehicle and place her in custody for a violation of 18USC111.

ICEemployees are designated as "immigration officers" And are therefore conferred legal authorities under 8 USC 1357 for the purpose of arrest. a1-a4 relate specifically to aliens, A5 (A) &(B) relates to ANYONE. So ICE absolutely had the ability to stop and detain her.

She speaks clear English as indicated by the video, so there's no reason to believe that she couldn't understand the instructions that she was given.

The passenger was allowed to get out of the vehicle and start filming which indicates either: A potential trap for law enforcement, or B an agitator looking for reaction. the vehicle was parked perpendicular to the roadway with an ice vehicle in front of and behind. the position of the vehicle indicates that what the agents told was true that she was following, trying to insert her car between agents, attempting to block them, etc. That becomes dangerous, because what is the reason for doing so? is it a drop for law enforcement? is it just harassing conduct, officers don't know, but it is intimidating conduct which is also covered by 18 USC 111.

She was ordered to exit the vehicle, which law enforcement officers are authorized to do under Pennsylvania v Mimms and officers attempted to remove her from the vehicle, at that point she backed the vehicle up indicating a lack of compliance. at that point he crosses in front of the vehicle. here is the rub, he could have been crossing to move to support his team mate. we don't know, we don't have any intent. As an aside, good on him for having a camera rolling, especially if he didn't have a body cam.

Now when I heard the drive baby drive comment, Yes her steering wheel was locked to the right but you can only tell that if you were from the side of the vehicle and could see how far the tires had turned where he could not from his viewpoint.

Drive baby drive being said when an officer is in front shows a lack of regard for safety, and the officer may have felt that was a trap to try to run him over. That would be serious bodily injury or death, and use of force is not a 50/50 proposition where I have to meet your force with an equal but opposite force, I can use the minimum amount of force necessary to stop your actions. When a vehicle is weaponized, it increases the likelihood of deadly force utilization. many are also interpreting ice policy incorrectly when they say that ice policy says that you won't shoot at moving vehicles. What it's saying is that you cannot shoot at a moving vehicle to "disable the vehicle". However, if you shoot at the driver to stop a threat that is legitimate use of force. We don't shoot at tires because they move and because they don't actually stop the threat plus a 9mm may not penetrate certain parts of the cabin, or may over penetrate tires, so it would be an unnecessary risk.

Now, in the totality of circumstances - we have ICE enforcing the law on others or generally existing. An uninvolved party from out of town comes to the ICE operation, begins harassing conduct, continues dangerously harassing conduct against officers for blocks, somehow cuts them off and positions their vehicle (seemingly to prevent travel), issued commands to get out in a language she does understand, she refuses through her actions, officers attempt to take her out of the vehicle, she actively resists by moving the vehicle and pulling her arm away. The officer in front sees this go down, (I would have thought that she was going to injure the other officers) prompting the officer to draw, "drive baby drive" is said, she starts going forward, deadly force is utilized. I would reasonably think that by her continuing to drive that she posed a continuing threat to law enforcement given the violent nature of the previous harassing conduct, the violent active resistance to detention/arrest immediately preceding the use, and driving through (with her passenger now outside of the vehicle) increasing the likelihood of another violent conflict.

Lastly, let's take a moment to talk about how his experience informs the use of force. He's in Minnesota, stationed in Minnesota. He's not an outsider. So he knows what is "normal conduct" for the area. He is aware of the current tactics by protesters in Minnesota including the violent mob tactics and the use of vehicles in dangerous manners to assault, resist, impede, or intimidate ICE. That experience plays a significant factor in the perception of the subject's actions. Now add to that the officers experience being dragged, where he now sees the officer attempting to extract the subject doing so while the subject seems to drive away. He knows that can result in serious bodily injury or death.

Is it awful? 100%. I know of absolutely no one that wakes up looking to shoot someone. I wish I never have to use a firearm and i've only drawn it two times (once off duty) and taken the slack out of the trigger once. It would put a pit in anyone's stomach that they committed the most permanent seizure and took someone's life over something the subject could have and should have avoided.”

All of this minutia is BS. The result is clearly her fault. She caused all actions by her actions. It is beyond ridiculous for there to be this much scrutiny. No one can follow every single detail of law in a high intensity situation. You could find either one of them guilty and imo that is a terrible thing. If you can find both of them guilty then the law just doesn't matter and, in fact, we have no law at all.

She caused all of this to happen.

TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter says

This meme flatters the look of the liberal women who have been in the news and viral videos. In reality, they are older fatter, and uglier faced.

TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter says

Ha, I knew I wasn't crazy, thanks for the Naomi quote, mell and patrick.

"She will want to be over the man, but shall not" - Book of Genesis, Curse of Eve.

There seems to be disagreement on the translation of Genesis 3:16

English Standard Version
To the woman he said, “I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children. Your desire shall be contrary to your husband, but he shall rule over you.”

King James Bible
Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

https://babylonbee.com/news/democrats-say-things-would-be-much-safer-if-law-enforcement-would-just-stop-trying-to-enforce-the-law

Vigil for Rachel Good in Baltimore.

Crowd is awfully old and White for a City that is 2/3 Black.


Also, what is with the retarded reflective vests now?

RWSGFY says

No. Watch the video from rear quarter of the car: the wheel was clear of the shooter and moving further right, away from him. He was never in the path.This is the only angle that matters and in a jury trial it will seal the deal.

Bullshit. You don't know what she was going to do.

There won't be a jury because he won't be charged, either.

For any Idiot thinking that the Cop will be charged, Ask yourself what would happen to you if DON'T live in Florida. And you attempted to drive through a crowd of stinky feet commies NGO protesters blocking a street?

Will the video be digested that "Well that guy that ended up under the car and dragged 1000 yards, could have stepped out of the way, you're just looking at the wrong angle. "

Tenpoundbass says

For any Idiot thinking that the Cop will be charged, Ask yourself what would happen to you if DON'T live in Florida. And you attempted to drive through a crowd of stinky feet commies NGO protesters blocking a street?

Will the video be digested that "Well that guy that ended up under the car and dragged 1000 yards, could have stepped out of the way, you're just looking at the wrong angle. "

Everyone is on a one way street. Meaning, you have to agree with me 100%. Otherwise, I will punish you.

https://slaynews.com/news/video-exposes-professional-protester-found-almost-100-different-protests/

Video Exposes ‘Professional Protester’ Found at ‘Almost 100 Different Protests’




Friedman says he later identified the woman as Karin Schall and claims he found her appearing at nearly 100 different protests across a wide range of causes.

“I did some digging,” Friedman says in the video.

Lots of Retards making the Obama claim.

Two differences:
1. Obama abandoned the border in his second and allowed millions a year to cross
2. Obama abandoned workplace enforcement raids by DHS
3. Obama was beloved by the Left who didn't attack ICE Agents, they want Trump to go back to plainclothes ICE and have them come 2 agents at a time so they can stop them more easily.



Migrant Made is livid at the law being enforced.

The guy is just an anti-American Leftist Coded Revolutionary with a right wing glaze - MANY such cases, as you're very tired of me saying.

The only reason Derick Chauvin went down for the George Floyd rage, was because the very agency he worked for aided framing the narrative, and pinning him down without proper defense. He was railroaded by the press, prosecution and his employer.
ICE wont be a willing participant in this witch hunt.

Thanks for your British-raised Romanian-resident opinion, who thought the Age of Consent in the US was 14.

You guys got to admit, Trump deportation has been more of a show than results when it comes to deportations. Self deportation numbers are literally made up, because they don't actually know. Obama deported more. Trump needs to stop chickening and start heavily fining and prosecuting people who hire illegals. It's not hard to track down all the guys working against fake TIN, it's not hard to track any construction company that makes a lot but has no employees, same goes for any hospitality, factory, restaurant. But our admin acts like they are clueless and don't know how to track anything down.

RWSGFY says

No. Watch the video from rear quarter of the car: the wheel was clear of the shooter and moving further right, away from him. He was never in the path.This is the only angle that matters and in a jury trial it will seal the deal

Watch this video. The one that proves you're full of 100% Grade-A Bullshit.

MolotovCocktail says

RWSGFY says

No. Watch the video from rear quarter of the car: the wheel was clear of the shooter and moving further right, away from him. He was never in the path.This is the only angle that matters and in a jury trial it will seal the deal

Watch this video. The one that proves you're full of 100% Grade-A Bullshit.

That’s his cell phone jerking, it proves nothing. Another video has better angle from another officer.

FortWayneHatesRealtors says

MolotovCocktail says

RWSGFY says

No. Watch the video from rear quarter of the car: the wheel was clear of the shooter and moving further right, away from him. He was never in the path.This is the only angle that matters and in a jury trial it will seal the deal

Watch this video. The one that proves you're full of 100% Grade-A Bullshit.

That’s his cell phone jerking, it proves nothing. Another video has better angle from another officer.

The only thing this incident proves is that police and enforcement departments NEED qualified immunity.

MolotovCocktail says

FortWayneHatesRealtors says

it proves nothing.

It proves nothing?

She fucking drove into him and hit him.

WHY DO YOU PERSIST in posting fucking bullshit here?

You do it in the Ukey threads too.

Watch BW video from his partner. It shows whole thing. Tim Pool covered it in slow motion.

FortWayneHatesRealtors says

MolotovCocktail says

FortWayneHatesRealtors says

it proves nothing.

It proves nothing?

She fucking drove into him and hit him.

WHY DO YOU PERSIST in posting fucking bullshit here?

You do it in the Ukey threads too.

Watch BW video from his partner. It shows whole thing. Tim Pool covered it in slow motion.

Yeah he does a very good job of it.

https://youtu.be/QJ9dlMRglBg?si=rmgjU-ghfFQ0DmJx

I’ll note that Good does in fact run into the officer. Tim Pool states that as well. Keep in mind, also as Pool points out, the wheel spinning due to acceleration attempt…between that and the officer firing the last shot is about all of 1 second.

It’s not even close. It’s a legally justified shooting by the officer and had she survived, Good should have been arrested and charged with battery on a police officer.

They should ALL be arrested immediately and held without bail:

TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter says

18 USC § 1512(d)(3)
Whoever intentionally harasses another person and thereby hinders, delays, prevents, or dissuades any person from ... arresting or seeking the arrest of another person in connection with a Federal offense ... or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 3 years, or both.
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=%28title%3A8+section%3A1357+edition%3Aprelim%29