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Yet skin tone did effect the lives of millions of African Americans in the early 1900s. There is a military term called "blowback"...look it up.

"Son, I took advantage of my opportunities in the 40’s before you were even thought of.
...
I am too old and too wealthy for this kind of entrenched stupidity."

The only difference I see in whites and black besides the obvious Political Gold blacks get to mine out of the obvious. Is the whites don't protect our lazy and shiftless punks, by looking for historical shit that happened before any of them before they were even born as an excuse as to why they can't get ahead.

".you and your oppressive ancestors. "

It seems like you got ahead, and you don't want to take a hard look at the youth of this generation or previous ones for that matter. And tell them to get off their shit and stay their dumb ass in school or go back. Work hard and save money. It is you and your type that is oppressing not me. I'm in no position to inspire those folks. It is you that has lost hope in giving a young punk a swift kick in the ass and telling them to straighten up and fly right.

all of the volient acts and drug use being done by the larger portion of today's ***** male community is not due to any choice made by me or my ansestors, or anyone other than the lazy punk thug doing the activity. The punk's mother and seed-doner get an assist and share blame with the nanny state gov programs that reward poor choices. So, if you wish to blame non-***** people for the situation that ***** males put themselves I guess you can blame the welfare system created by and funded by non-***** that allows people to breed and do drugs and get paid, rather than work and worry and strive. Other than that, personal accountiblity is what is not found in most of the ***** population in America and that is why the prisons are full of ***** males, and welfare rolls are full of ***** females. We were all slaves at one time if we go back far enough, so cut the crap.

I do not need your excuses for bad choices I make. Sell your snake-oil, Jesse Sharpton - Al Jackson, race baiting-garbage elsewhere. I aint buying it. THe guy in the white house blows your entire arguement .. as does C. Powel, Judge Thomas, Conde Rice, Gordy Clarke, Rev. Dr. M.L. King, Booker T Washington. Get behind me Satan.

Tenouncetrout says

“Son, I took advantage of my opportunities in the 40’s before you were even thought of.
…
I am too old and too wealthy for this kind of entrenched stupidity.”
The only difference I see in whites and black besides the obvious Political Gold blacks get to mine out of the obvious. Is the whites don’t protect our lazy and shiftless punks, by looking for historical shit that happened before any of them before they were even born as an excuse as to why they can’t get ahead.
“.you and your oppressive ancestors. ”
It seems like you got ahead, and you don’t want to take a hard look at the youth of this generation or previous ones for that matter. And tell them to get off their shit and stay their dumb ass in school or go back. Work hard and save money. It is you and your type that is oppressing not me. I’m in no position to inspire those folks. It is you that has lost hope in giving a young punk a swift kick in the ass and telling them to straighten up and fly right.

I agree, with the exception that not all black people show empathy for thugism...on television today, you see thugs are primarily portrayed where as 40 years ago you saw revolutionary figures like Malcolm X, MLK. The media chooses not to broadcast these figures in favor of thugs who are empathizers of stupidity. I do not condone thugism at all, my point is that there has been a series of events that has led us to where we are today. What worked 40 years ago wont work today as we now need to encourage all people to educate themselves, seek opportunity and build strong families. Regardless of race. If we took a survey I am sure everyone has a sob story...but it is the responsibility of those who have made it through to reach back and uplift someone who has been affected by whatever tragedy the "victims" have faced. Yes, on the outside there seems to be too much empathy for thugs in the black community but this is only within the poor neighborhoods and amongst the 85% (Deaf, Dumb and Blind). I think you call them sheeple, we poor righteous teachers call them cattle. There is a civil war going on in the black community. Niggas/Bitches versus Professional Men/Women...if you watched the mini-series Black in America you should have noted that in the early 1900's 1/10 of all blacks lived in poverty compared to 1/3 today. 1/3 of all blacks achieve a college education, where as 1/3 go to prison. The civil war I am telling you about is between professional, family oriented persons like myself and the thugs that follow the stupidity of Jay Z, Snoop Dogg.

We had this conversation on another thread, here is what will work:

Less welfare
More Education
Assimilation into the mainstream, which means less Hip Hop thugism
More focus on the family, less on nigga/bitchism

Bap33 says

all of the volient acts and drug use being done by the larger portion of today’s ***** male community is not due to any choice made by me or my ansestors, or anyone other than the lazy punk thug doing the activity. The punk’s mother and seed-doner get an assist and share blame with the nanny state gov programs that reward poor choices. So, if you wish to blame non-***** people for the situation that ***** males put themselves I guess you can blame the welfare system created by and funded by non-***** that allows people to breed and do drugs and get paid, rather than work and worry and strive. Other than that, personal accountiblity is what is not found in most of the ***** population in America and that is why the prisons are full of ***** males, and welfare rolls are full of ***** females. We were all slaves at one time if we go back far enough, so cut the crap.
I do not need your excuses for bad choices I make. Sell your snake-oil, Jesse Sharpton - Al Jackson, race baiting-garbage elsewhere. I aint buying it. THe guy in the white house blows your entire arguement .. as does C. Powel, Judge Thomas, Conde Rice, Gordy Clarke, Rev. Dr. M.L. King, Booker T Washington. Get behind me Satan.

Good point, color has nothing to do with stupidity. I agre that we should not accept excuses, I am asking for you to show empathy and not sympathy to the root causes of the issues. My point still stands, that we cannot forget what brought black people to the bottom. You have had 400 years to get it right, we have had what 40 years of Civil Rights, Equal Employment, Diversity in the workplace that has reversed the discriminatory practices of the past.

This is good dialogue, I think you are looking at me as an sympathizer of thugism but I only show empathy for the cause because I lived it...what do you see fixing the issues of the **** community AND issues of poor people here in the United States?

So your witty remarks were polite in comparison?

Clarence 13X blacks don't have a monopoly on stupidity believe you me.
There's an entrenchment of the thug culture in all of America's youth. Though I must say it is subsiding a lot since the bubble collapse.

The music message is getting harder to sell a ballers jet set life style in this economy.

Our youth have been hardened and lost value of human life and respect for others. Just look at those white thugs and a couple black fellers(working together not one or the other) set that kid on fire here in south Florida. And weeks up to that episode there has been several school stabbings and shootings.
None of those kids were black, they were just punks. That have forgotten how to take school yard lumps with out feeling dissed and fatally retaliating.

Our youth in general are screwed. I'd hate to be kid today, especially between 16-20.
Besides being confrontational, over their lack of perception of respect in either direction, they have to be micromanaged constantly.
Which with in its self makes a deadly combination.

broken families lead to broken people lead to broken families lead to broken societies lead to broken families lead to broken people.

13X, my answer is: We must rekindle the soul of the family, by finding the soul of person, and thereby anchoring God in society once again. We need family. I think that will help.

Jesus was wandering around Jerusalem when he decided that he really needed a new robe. After looking around for a while, he saw a sign for Finkelstein, the Tailor.

So, he went in and made the necessary arrangements to have Finkelstein prepare a new robe for him. A few days later, when the robe was finished, Jesus tried it on -- and it was a perfect fit!

He asked how much he owed. Finkelstein brushed him off: "No, no, no, for the Son of God there's no charge! However, may I ask for a small favor. Whenever you give a sermon, perhaps you could just mention that your nice new robe was made by Finkelstein, the Tailor?"

Jesus readily agreed and as promised, extolled the virtues of his Finkelstein robe whenever he spoke to the masses. A few months later, while Jesus was again walking through Jerusalem , he happened to walk past Finkelstein's shop and noted a huge line of people waiting for Finkelstein's robes.

He pushed his way through the crowd to speak to him and as soon as Finkelstein spotted him he said: "Jesus, Jesus, look what you've done for my business! Would you consider a partnership?"

"Certainly," replied Jesus. "Jesus & Finkelstein it is."

"Oh, no, no," said Finkelstein. "Finkelstein & Jesus. After all, I am the craftsman."

The two of them debated this for some time.

Their discussion was long and spirited, but ultimately fruitful -- and they finally came up with a mutually acceptable compromise. A few days later, the new sign went up over Finkelstein's shop:

"Lord & Taylor"
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Please forgive...

He did wonders for Dale the Bloomers knitter.

Bap33 says

broken families lead to broken people lead to broken families lead to broken societies lead to broken families lead to broken people.
13X, my answer is: We must rekindle the soul of the family, by finding the soul of person, and thereby anchoring God in society once again. We need family. I think that will help.

I couldnt agree more, moral values within society have allowed us to enter an age of hip hop and rock thugism whereby our children run wild with Misongyny, Education is no longer cool, and materilism is more important than family. Your point was well stated, well articulated...and without the harsh rough edges in your previous responses.

elliemae says

Jesus was wandering around Jerusalem when he decided that he really needed a new robe. After looking around for a while, he saw a sign for Finkelstein, the Tailor.
So, he went in and made the necessary arrangements to have Finkelstein prepare a new robe for him. A few days later, when the robe was finished, Jesus tried it on — and it was a perfect fit!
He asked how much he owed. Finkelstein brushed him off: “No, no, no, for the Son of God there’s no charge! However, may I ask for a small favor. Whenever you give a sermon, perhaps you could just mention that your nice new robe was made by Finkelstein, the Tailor?”
Jesus readily agreed and as promised, extolled the virtues of his Finkelstein robe whenever he spoke to the masses. A few months later, while Jesus was again walking through Jerusalem , he happened to walk past Finkelstein’s shop and noted a huge line of people waiting for Finkelstein’s robes.
He pushed his way through the crowd to speak to him and as soon as Finkelstein spotted him he said: “Jesus, Jesus, look what you’ve done for my business! Would you consider a partnership?”
“Certainly,” replied Jesus. “Jesus & Finkelstein it is.”
“Oh, no, no,” said Finkelstein. “Finkelstein & Jesus. After all, I am the craftsman.”
The two of them debated this for some time.
Their discussion was long and spirited, but ultimately fruitful — and they finally came up with a mutually acceptable compromise. A few days later, the new sign went up over Finkelstein’s shop:
“Lord & Taylor”
—————————–
Please forgive…

Funny!!..I used to buy Brooks Brothers back in the 50's.

@ellie,
that was HELLarious

God Takes a Holiday

God is tired, worn out. So he speaks to St. Peter, "You know, I need a vacation. Got any suggestions where I should go?"

St. Peter, thinking, nods his head, then says, "How about Jupiter? It's nice and warm there this time of the year."

God shakes His head before saying, "No. Too much gravity. You know how that hurts my back."

"Hmmm," St. Peter reflects. "Well, how about Mercury?"

"No way!" God mutters, "It's way too hot for me there!"

"I've got it," St. Peter says, his face lighting up. "How about going Down to Earth for your vacation?"

Chuckling, God remarks, "Are you kidding? Two thousand years ago I went there, had an affair with some nice Jewish girl, and they're STILL talking about it!"

OK, not as funny as Elliemae's but still a good one.

Leigh says

God Takes a Holiday
God is tired, worn out. So he speaks to St. Peter, “You know, I need a vacation. Got any suggestions where I should go?”
St. Peter, thinking, nods his head, then says, “How about Jupiter? It’s nice and warm there this time of the year.”
God shakes His head before saying, “No. Too much gravity. You know how that hurts my back.”
“Hmmm,” St. Peter reflects. “Well, how about Mercury?”
“No way!” God mutters, “It’s way too hot for me there!”
“I’ve got it,” St. Peter says, his face lighting up. “How about going Down to Earth for your vacation?”
Chuckling, God remarks, “Are you kidding? Two thousand years ago I went there, had an affair with some nice Jewish girl, and they’re STILL talking about it!”
OK, not as funny as Elliemae’s but still a good one.

Your so old when God said "let there be light"....you flipped the switch!

Watch it punk, calling me old wont get you anywhere.

Bap33 says

Clarence 13X says

While your punk ass ancestors were busy handing out jobs to the European immigrants me and my people who had been here 400 years already went hungry, unclothed and uneducated.

no class.
race baitors are embarrassing.

You have a habit of using derogatory names against minorities then calling the responders racist. You can continue to repress your memories and visions of what the past looked like but I cant because I lived through every era you can imagine since the 1930's.

You think I was a race baitor when I watched my cousin hang from a tree back in 1939?
You think I was a race baitor when I was told "niggers were allowed in the break room" back in 1981?
You think I was a race baitor when I had to work the railroads after fighting in WWII?
Ohh right, I was a race baitor for refusing to serve the white officers their food and afterwards being imprisoned?

Stupidity seems to be your favorite subject, keep it coming.

how odd .... a poster that claims to be well over 70, claims to be of ***** ancestory, and uses derogatory sexual inuendo that is not commonly found in older ***** males. Sure seems odd.

Patrick,
Please glance over 13X posts for content and verbal abuse. Thank you.

Maybe since you never get the opportunity to use yours for anything outside of taking a piss you might want to press the impolite button along with your insensitive, incompassionate buddies tenouncetrout and staynumz. Afterwards the 3 of you can hold a Republican convention on how to push **** people further down into the crab barrel. So for you, I removed the reference.

Just know, I will refute your agression for as long as you cite Mexicans, Blacks and poor people as the cause of your problems.

Your lack of vocabulary outside of vulgar sexual garbage is well below the Patrick.net guidlines. I suggest you find a blog more suited to your dark-hearted filth.

My problems are the problems of every American ..... most of them caused by the cancer of liberalism. Only a racist sees race first - you racist.

You really should seek professional help, before you act out some of that dark, desgusting garbage you so redily share. That rapist mohamad would be proud.

Bap33 says

Your lack of vocabulary outside of vulgar sexual garbage is well below the Patrick.net guidlines. I suggest you find a blog more suited to your dark-hearted filth.
My problems are the problems of every American ….. most of them caused by the cancer of liberalism. Only a racist sees race first - you racist.
You really should seek professional help, before you act out some of that dark, desgusting garbage you so redily share. That rapist mohamad would be proud.

Let me ask you the question of what was so right about our society that we did not need a progressive movement to rid society of white supremacy? For you, the 40's, 50's and 60's were a white utopia yet for the rest of the nation (Blacks, Asians, Native Americans) suffered in poverty and forced segregation. I can see how for you, it is easy to say we live in a colorblind society and how you want to forget your parents and their peers actions. You live in a utopian world that did not exist for the rest of America. This has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with your white supremacy attitudes that you take on the issues. It has everything to do with how you and your buddies see everything from a rural white standpoint and exclude any concern for the poor people of America, regardless of race. One of your friends, Staynums, called Obama a chimp and you called upon a "crack addicted mother of 6 on welfare" as if you have that right. Well, you dont have that right nor do I have the right to call out whites as "rednecks" or "crackers". These are stupid statements that I wont condone or tolerate at any level.

Liberalism provided for the civil rights act of 1964. equal employment opportunity and womens rights. You no longer have the right to live in a white utopian society that excludes others...and I am very proud that our nation no longer tolerates conservatives who believed our society was perfect as it was, and that nothing needed to change.

Your statements show that you have no compassion for any oppressed or poor people...I will refute your stupidity in dialogues as long as your statements display a level of insensitivity seen only during the early 1900's....where blacks were being lynched with no remorse.

I do not hate people, my statements do not incenuate that I look down on people of any color. In society, there are good people with open hearts, kindness, and concern for humanity within all cultures. There are also people like you, who want to brush aside their hateful statements and ignore the fact that inconsistencies exist within our society. You have a superiority complex that you need to get help with.

Calling on Patrick during a time of dialogue and debate really shows your cowardice....and inability to articulate a viewpoint without name calling.

Go ahead and call me a ******, its the only option you have left since you have already insulted Mohammed.

you're a racist looking for a victim and a boogieman. Keep looking.

When you bump your head on a low tree limb, who do you blame?? Adam and Eve?? After all, it's their fault you're here. Or, do you blame the tree for growing there?? Do you blame the guy that planted the tree?? Do you blame the guy that sold the seed to the guy that planted it?? Do you blame the city for having a sidewalk so close to that tree?? At what point in your life does your life finally become your life?? I pity you.

Bap33 says

you’re a racist looking for a victim and a boogieman. Keep looking.
When you bump your head on a low tree limb, who do you blame?? Adam and Eve?? After all, it’s their fault you’re here. Or, do you blame the tree for growing there?? Do you blame the guy that planted the tree?? Do you blame the guy that sold the seed to the guy that planted it?? Do you blame the city for having a sidewalk so close to that tree?? At what point in your life does your life finally become your life?? I pity you.

If refuting your stupidity is racist, then so be it. I guarantee I wont tolerate any more references you make of Obama being a monkey or downtalk against black women. I moved on a long time ago, but it doesnt mean that I have to repress any of my experiences to please people like you that show no empathy. Is that your only defense, that I blame others for the troubles of black America?....Black America needs to take responsibility for its own issues now by educating its youth, growing its families and ridding itself of the impoverished cultures that have become prevalent among its youth.

I think it has become obvious to many people in the black community that waiting on people like you to show empathy will do us know justice, you will simply leave us out in the cold to fend for ourselves while you live in your white utopia celebrating Santa Clause and Thanksgiving while the remainder of society goes hungry.

Ohh, but wait, we can stand in lines at the local shelter while turkeys are handed out....thanks, we appreciate your kindness.

Bap33 says

When you bump your head on a low tree limb, who do you blame?? Adam and Eve?? After all, it’s their fault you’re here. Or, do you blame the tree for growing there?? Do you blame the guy that planted the tree?? Do you blame the guy that sold the seed to the guy that planted it?? Do you blame the city for having a sidewalk so close to that tree?? At what point in your life does your life finally become your life?? I pity you.

Well, we all know who you'd blame. Owebama for encouraging people to plant trees....

lol tatupu ... lol

13X,
1) What is the measure you use to decide when an action or atitude is wrong?
2) On what foundation are your morals based?
3) Why?

three question. good luck.

Clarence 13X says

Bap33 says

Clarence 13X says

While your punk ass ancestors were busy handing out jobs to the European immigrants me and my people who had been here 400 years already went hungry, unclothed and uneducated.

no class.

race baitors are embarrassing.

You have a habit of using derogatory names against minorities then calling the responders racist. You can continue to repress your memories and visions of what the past looked like but I cant because I lived through every era you can imagine since the 1930’s.
You think I was a race baitor when I watched my cousin hang from a tree back in 1939?

You think I was a race baitor when I was told “niggers were allowed in the break room” back in 1981?

You think I was a race baitor when I had to work the railroads after fighting in WWII?

Ohh right, I was a race baitor for refusing to serve the white officers their food and afterwards being imprisoned?
Stupidity seems to be your favorite subject, keep it coming.

Clarence you certainly deserve some respect and reverence for what you went through. But you're going to have to dig up graves to hold those accountable for what they did.

Do you share any responsibility for the Zulu wars?

You don't need empathy, you need a lawyer. Especially in 1981.

I was poor growing up as well.

And while probably not on the same scale as you, but my hungry belly wouldn't know the difference. I mean there comes in point in poverty, trying to scale and compare poverty levels becomes a moot point. Especially at meal time when there's an empty table involved.

Where did you go? Get back here you're not through making us better people.