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Kakistocracy says

Reducing the left to Commies, SJWs, Liars, Libbies, Libruls, Losers, Snowflakes, Socialists, etc. - those type of comments from the regulars on the forum in the echo chamber of the right ?

Did you read the article? The right may label the same as the left. That's called communicating as a human.

However people on the right are forced to hear and understand the left's arguments. The left doesnt even try to understanding the right. This is due to the default propaganda setting in high school/college/MSM/Hollywood being leftist.

" conservatives see an unfortunate world of moral trade-offs in which every moral judgment comes with costs that must be properly balanced. Progressives, on the other hand, seem to be blind to, or in denial about, these trade-offs, whether economic and social; theirs is a utopian or unconstrained vision, in which every moral grievance must be immediately extinguished until we have perfected society. This is why conservatives don’t tend to express the same emotional hostility as the Left; a deeper grasp of the world’s complexity has the effect of encouraging intellectual humility. The conservative hears the progressive’s latest demands and says, “I can see how you might come to that conclusion, but I think you’ve overlooked the following…” In contrast, the progressive hears the conservative and thinks, “I have no idea why you would believe that. You’re probably a racist"

Tarantula says

Nice. None of the bizzaro right-wingers ride? Not surprising, as they are too afraid and hate FREEDOM!

Wow, when did riding motorcycles become a political event where people hate freedom?



Oh wait, how many Liberals do you think were riding in that group?

Kakistocracy says

That would be nice if it happened - unfortunately that is not the case and not every thread has to be about politics and or Trump but that also seems to be the de-facto case on the forum.

If your posts aren't negative about Trump or #OrangeManBad, then they are normally anti-American. America Bad, America Evil, Capitalism Evil.... the pattern is clear.

Kakistocracy says

CBOEtrader says

Reducing the right to "racist" fosters an ignorant echo chamber in the left, which is not found in the right.

Reducing the left to Commies, SJWs, Liars, Libbies, Libruls, Losers, Snowflakes, Socialists, etc. - those type of comments from the regulars on the forum in the echo chamber of the right ?

Have you been paying attention to the left echo chamber comments by the regular radical Left wing posters here? Doesn't look like it. They are definitely a lot worse.

Even worse, those same left wing posters hide behind ignore so they don't have to engage other posters. That the clinical definition of Living in a Echo Chamber.

Tarantula says

If you support Trump you are NOT a conservative.

What if you don't support Trump, what are you?

Tim Aurora says

+1

Why do you deny science?

I had a couple bikes in my youth. One was enduro another was a yamaha 400 I had in college. Never owned a bigger bike.

The times I have rented one, or borrowed my brother's for a short ride, I'm reminded of who I was back then. That is on the feeling level. I really should get a bike again before I'm too old. One of the reasons I don't is because of people I know that have been in bad bike crashes, and also some scary dreams that made me quit way back when. But being in California is a great place for it.

Tim Aurora says

. If you want I can leave this forum.

We may not agree on much, but I don’t find your posts aggravating or dishonest. Often they are enlightening at least for the opposite perspective. I don’t think you should leave.

Kakistocracy says

Almost as if Potus was following along with some of the threads here....

I doubt Trump reads Patnet, but I’m fairly convinced that at least one of his advisors does. Too often we’ve proposed a spin or an idea on here and he’s tweeted the same thing the following day or week.
Ideas get around.

CBOEtrader says

However people on the right are forced to hear and understand the left's arguments. The left doesnt even try to understanding the right. This is due to the default propaganda setting in high school/college/MSM/Hollywood being leftist.

Yes. I find it amusing that Left wing conservatives can’t even comprehend the POV of right wing or even classical liberals. It’s a true failure in both education and imagination. That’s why studies show right wing voters to be more informed than left wing voters.

What I miss about California:

1. Surf
2. Hiking

That's pretty much it.

Why I'm glad I left California:

1. My business costs (I run 4 businesses) plummeted and opportunities skyrocketed once leaving. I see more average people in ATL starting successful businesses that I ever did in CA
2. Average people outside of CA can afford a decent quality of life, where as in CA, everyone was scraping by or complaining about housing/cost of living, job hopping
3. Homeless people shitting and shooting up in public.
4. Homeless people building tent cities everywhere
5. Reasonable political conversations can be had in the workplace in other states - whether you are left/right or center. You can usually find something to agree on
6. I can technically and comfortably retire at 36, I'm mortgage/debt free and am about to dabble in flips/rentals with my spare change
7. Lack of common sense gov't - ex: Pelosi is trying to normalize extremists like Ilhan Omar
8. Lack of common sense gun laws.
9. Lack of open minded-ness. Granted, people in CA will tell you there are open minded if you are into their PC bullshit, whatever cause - but the minute you express an alternate view, you're a bigot, racists, xenophobic etc...
10. Gas is a lot cheaper elsewhere
11. In California, my kids weren't allowed to play "tag" in school - they had to play "shadow tag" which they both said was boring
12. Kids sports in California, they award participation trophies for losing teams. Other states, WINNING is encouraged (winning is more fun btw)
13. Due to everyone leaving CA, property values in other metro's like Austin, Atlanta etc are climbing. I'm up almost $80-100k in the last 2-3 years. Pretty sure California has topped out.
14. Where I live, it's ok to call a man a dude, and a woman a dudette. Not by some obscur pronouns that actually misclassify the gender a person WANTS to be.

Not a California hater at all. I miss the natural beauty and state parks. But the political climate it toxic and lack of common sense leaves a lot to be desired.

Tarantula says

Are you actually trying to convince me that California is a Christian conservative state? My, aren't you precious!

It is. I had the "privilege" to attend a service at evangelical megachurch in the San Joaquin Valley for my partner's nephew's non-baptism. These folks are fundamentalist enough that they reject infant baptism because Jesus was not an infant at his baptism.

By coincidence it was on the Sunday before the Proposition 8 referendum. Almost everyone in attendance, including my inlaws, was wearing a Yes on 8 button. My partner and I stood out by not wearing those. Folks offered to give us one.

The attendees reflected the diversity of our state (with the obvious exception of tolerance for same sex partnerships): Latino, Asian, black, white in roughly equal proportion to the overall population. Maybe an outsized representation of blacks being has how we were away from the Gentrified Coast. There were two guest speakers at the service that Sunday: the mom and dad Duggar from a reality TV show about their family and huge number of kids.

I had known about this Evangelical Community ever since I became partner with someone who is related to some of them. (You should know, none of these folks are white). Even though I knew about it, was still a culture shock to attend the Mega Church service.

Many large, young families of all colors there, united in their intolerance. Just over the Altamont Pass from Cool and Hip Artsy Fartsy Smug Bay Area, it felt like I was light years away.

California is many things. It is also an Evangelical Conservative State..... outnumbered by a Left Coast Liberal State.

Overwhelming number of homeless

Overwhelming number of diseases

Shit on sidewalks

High taxes

Huge unemployment

Affordability crisis

Fag and lesbian hoods

Laws that punish you for being republicanor Christian

Mexican cartels

Schools promote transgenderism to kids.

Feminists and fag parades.

Yeah fucking paradise........ not!

Tarantula is right about one thing: a condition of stark raving hallucinatory denial helps a lot in California.

B.A.C.A.H. says

The attendees reflected the diversity of our state (with the obvious exception of tolerance for same sex partnerships): Latino, Asian, black, white in roughly equal proportion to the overall population.

This is why the Left misses sooo badly when they talk about conservatives and Trump supporters being a bunch of racists. We aren’t, in fact we are much more integrated and comfortable with other races than white Leftists will ever be.
Every time a Leftist brays nonsense like this, people laugh and tune them out.

Ceffer says

Plus, California is full of whackos and alienated assholes and narcissists.

And full of Realtors ®.
No doubt, Tarantula is either a ®ealtor, or is a close relation to one.

Oh and about the homo thing. Evangelicals in California have evolved a little since 2008. Homosexuals and transgenders are welcome at any of those churches, and nobody will disrespect you, although most still consider the lifestyle a sin, although we are all sinners so what’s the difference? That’s the general feeling nowadays. They still don’t like in-your-face homosexuality preferring that sex of any sort remain something private. And they definitely don’t appreciate attempts to “educate” children about the homosexual lifestyle or glorify it in any way. To us, it’s an unfortunate condition, and not something to wish on our children.

Tarantula says

Nobody wants leave California. Some people have to leave because they are too lazy or not smart enough to make it here. California is a entrepreneurial hotspot with TONS of startups and lots of smart people making lots of money.

You're out of your mind and blind man. I have several multi-millionaire families who've already evacuated. I'm earlier in my career but a millionaire so far who will do the same. I've seen the changes since the 70s and things are going down hill faster and faster every year over the entire fucking state.

Furthermore, the platform tech is now built on was started under conservatives. I had a lot of family wrapped up in that back in the day in SV before my time. I'm sure there were man bites dog cases but it wasn't the hippies that built that.

This will not end well.

Tarantula says

I'm tickled that you are thinking about me! Tarantula is a scientist and entrepreneur.

hahahah

This scientist/native Bay Arean would expect no less of a smug narcissistic response from Cool Aid drinking Hipster. Or ®ealtor.

®ealtor? Okay, makes sense now. haha

Tarantula says

Trump LOST the popular vote by a substantial margin

Useless data point since the game wasn't played by "popular vote" rules.

just_dregalicious says

I have several multi-millionaire families who've already evacuated.

For the record they came from Iowa farming and military stock. Large Irish family in Norcal with kids who did the jobs leftists say American's can't or won't do: Picking strawberries, plumbs, peaches and working in the peach cannery near Sacramento in their late teens. Alongside what in the 60s were legal migrant workers. Migrant workers who even then spent most of the year on the state dole because only certain times of the year is harvesting/canning required.

Gave them a good work ethic and thus they excelled in education and tech (life in general) in the 70s-90s.

I checked the surf this morning. Choppy with rips. Nobody was out there.

Chamber of Commerce Bot-Speak.

Tarantula says

Hugolas_Madurez says

Useless data point since the game wasn't played by "popular vote" rules.

It's not useless if your point is that Trump does NOT have the support of mainstream everyday Americans.

There is no data proving it. The measures taken from elections based on EC are useless for this particular purpose for variety of pretty obvios reasons. If Tarantula was truly a scientist I woldn't have to explain basic stuff like that to him/her/xer.

Tarantula says

Conservatives are NOT Trump supporters. Trump does NOT espouse conservative ideals, and please don't associate the current right-wing with a true Cornholio Troll such as myself.

You're gonna die like all of the other dumb ass lane splitters.

Tarantula says

B.A.C.A.H. says

No doubt, Tarantula is either a ®ealtor, or is a close relation to one.

I'm tickled that you are thinking about me! Tarantula is a scientist and entrepreneur.

Bitcoin, Marijuana, or vitamins/juicers?

Psyops troll? Too many assertion fallacies and misdirections to be a real person.

You can get back to your roots of single cell organisms in California.
Come for a Queers but stay for the Typhus.

Tenpoundbass says

You can get back to your roots of single cell organisms in California.
Come for a Queers but stay for the Typhus.

We're waiting for bubonic plague to make a comeback. Then, some LibbyFucks will start a "Save The Rats" campaign.

Ceffer, I'm sure you've seen this recent reporting.

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Typhus-Outbreak-Los-Angeles-City-Hall-Fleas-Rats-Vermin-505884691.html

B.A.C.A.H. says

Ceffer, I'm sure you've seen this recent reporting.

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Typhus-Outbreak-Los-Angeles-City-Hall-Fleas-Rats-Vermin-505884691.html

Interesting that the fleas made a beeline for the politicians. There must be cosmic significance there.

Tarantula says

Hugolas_Madurez says

Useless data point since the game wasn't played by "popular vote" rules.

It's not useless if your point is that Trump does NOT have the support of mainstream everyday Americans.

Sorry, here's the correction.

25% of eligible voters voted for Trump , which means 75% DIDN'T vote for Hillary.

Plus, Trump is around a 50% approval rating, which is DOUBLE the percentage that voted for him, so yeah, I'd say he has the support of everyday Americans. Stop getting your news from Rachel Maddow and Anderson Cooper.

just_dregalicious says

Tarantula says

Nobody wants leave California. Some people have to leave because they are too lazy or not smart enough to make it here. California is a entrepreneurial hotspot with TONS of startups and lots of smart people making lots of money.

You're out of your mind and blind man. I have several multi-millionaire families who've already evacuated. I'm earlier in my career but a millionaire so far who will do the same. I've seen the changes since the 70s and things are going down hill faster and faster every year over the entire fucking state.

Furthermore, the platform tech is now built on was started under conservatives. I had a lot of family wrapped up in that back in the day in SV before my time. I'm sure there were man bites dog cases but it wasn't the hippies that built that.

This will not end well.

100% agreed. CA is falling apart esp. in the metropoles. Might take longer for sheltered more rural areas such a wine country etc. But SF is going downhill fast.

"Evacuated" Heh, Heh!

Does California come with ejection seats?

It’s you liberals who built a nanny state here. Constantly out of money, housing, water. But no shortage of poverty and fags.

Little people had to protect themselves from scary people who might pray for them.

Tarantula says

FortWayneIndiana says

homeless...diseases...Shit...taxes...unemployment...crisis...Fag...lesbian...punish...Mexican cartels...transgenderism...Feminists...fag parades...fucking paradise...

This guy sounds like a scared little man who needs a big nanny-state government and a wall to nowhere to feel protected from Mexicans and trannies.

Both buyers and sellers are feeling less optimistic about the housing market than they were a year before, according to Fannie Mae’s national housing survey.

The mortgage finance company, which compiles an index measuring homebuying sentiment, reported that the February index was down 1.5 points from the year earlier.

The index is based on a survey of home buying and selling sentiments and income changes, as well as beliefs about the future for home prices and mortgage rates. It found that the net share of Americans who say it is a good time to buy a home dropped by nearly a third over the past year to 15 percent from 21 percent. The net share who said it is a good time to sell also fell, to 30 percent from 36 percent. Most Americans believe mortgage rates will go up over the next year, while fewer believe that home prices will continue to rise than they did before.

Doug Duncan, Fannie Mae's chief economist, called the drop in home price growth expectations "notable," with the net share of consumers expecting home prices to rise falling 19 points from the survey high hit at the start of 2018.

"While declining home price expectations may point to improving affordability, the share of consumers who think it's a bad time to buy has grown over the last year, and high home prices remain the most frequently cited concern," Duncan said in a press release. "It is plausible that consumers believe that price gains could decelerate further, making it worthwhile to wait rather than act now."

https://www.chron.com/business/real-estate/article/Both-buyers-and-sellers-less-optimistic-about-13670274.php

New Houston area home prices edge downward, according to Census data.

The price of a newly constructed home fell in December from the year before, according to preliminary Census data.

The average sales price fell 6 percent, to $377,000 from $402,900.

The downward movement was driven by a shift in the number of units sold for less than $300,000.

That shift was particularly marked in the sub-$150,000 range.

Of new homes sold in December, 6 percent were priced below $150,000, three times the share of the year before.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/real-estate/article/New-home-prices-edge-downward-according-to-13663970.php?utm_campaign=chron&utm_source=article&utm_medium=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.chron.com%2Fbusiness%2Freal-estate%2Farticle%2FBoth-buyers-and-sellers-less-optimistic-about-13670274.php

Just because corporations don't line people up on on St Valentines day and shoot them in the back with Tommy Guns, doesn't mean there isn't any more organized crime.

There is a Civil War and it was waged by the Socialists a long time ago. There are two lanes of Justice, if you don't believe that, then you must also believe that the Antifa are doing Community service work. And Christian kids waiting for their bus at the designated pick up zone, are racist bigots and must be assaulted by Every Adult in the MSM.

You should be thankful that it's not the Bang Bang Shoot Em Up kind. You basement dwellers would get the shitty end of the stick on that one.