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We are the top dog and must keep it that way at all cost. Why we have 700 military bases around the world?
Abswer: For defense, Russia and China, they are threatening us by placing their countries so close to our military bases.

This is a valid point. I think this is indisputable.

jazz_music says

The White House also said the ATT "will only constrain responsible countries while allowing the irresponsible arms trade to continue," noting that major arms exporters such as Russia and China are not part of the deal.

I don't get it. We shouldn't be the worlds police force, etc. as I've seen from multiple commenters here. Yet we don't agree or finalize some treaty and we're ass holes and not "leading" or whatever? What the hell do people want? Like seriously?

And what difference does or will this topic make in your life? None. So move on. You're not getting shot by some Spanish dude, in America, with an illegally traded gun. This is what we're talking about here. And if Jesus in Spain gets shot with a rifle made in the good 'ole USA, again, what does that do for you? That hurt your soul? Guns are getting moved regardless of some piece of paper getting signed.

jazz_music says

"Today the President once again walked away from America's leadership role in the world and undermined international efforts to reduce human suffering caused by irresponsible and illegal arms transfers," said Stimson Managing Director Rachel Stohl, an arms trade expert who helped draft the treaty.

It's ridiculous.

The 2nd Amendment Guarantees to RKBA.

The Arms Industry is the one Manufactured Goods Industry we totally dominate.

The UN is indeed an unelected, unaccountable bureaucracy.

The UNHRC hasn't written one single report on the huge rise in malnutrition in Venezuela, but sends 30 people every time a knife-wielding Paleban is shot after stabbing a 12-year old outside a deli for humbug Allah Akbar reasons.

kt1652 says

We are the top dog and must keep it that way at all cost. Why we have 700 military bases around the world?
Abswer: For defense, Russia and China, they are threatening us by placing their countries so close to our military bases.

And Russia and China and Iran want you to know that.

The sooner those bases are gone, the sooner they can invade and bomb to their heart's content without pesky Uncle Sam in the way.

Another example of patnetters talking out of both cheeks. US might is alltruistic, never mind corrupt DC ticks, siphon the loot then our wall street overlords takes a hefty cut, then toss some scraps to you. Who begs for it. Spin it as American exceptionalism,

If there is hyprocracy - it is call Saudi Arabia, our good thug.

kt1652 says

Another example of patnetters talking out of both cheeks. US might is alltruistic, never mind corrupt DC ticks, siphon the loot then our wall street overlords takes a hefty cut, then toss some scraps to you. Who begs for it. Spin it as American exceptionalism,

It's a fact, when America shuts down those military bases, it'll be great for domestic debt.

It won't be great for Central Asians.

This is what I mean by Leftists being unable to consider the other effects of their policies.

Russia, China, Iran do not want those bases gone to help us with our national debt.

Like a king cobra around your neck, it won't be good for you when it gets hungry.

Okay, I think I'm talking to a bot.

kt1652 says

never mind corrupt DC ticks

No one said DC is NOT corrupt.

kt1652 says

siphon the loot then our wall street overlords takes a hefty cut

Are you a US citizen? No biggie either way, entitled to your opinion and won't stop you, but your comments haven't been the most logical honestly. Free to your opinion or whatever words you're posting here, but it's a bit deranged.

If you're not a US citizen, congrats on being jealous. Jealously is the greatest form of flattery, thank you.

HonkpilledMaster says

Okay, I think I'm talking to a bot.

I'd agree. Best one I've seen in a while though. Like legit. Had me on that other thread too.

Ceffer says

It was a hard job producing such a sleazy, psychotic, morally bankrupt, conniving, pandering, underhanded, corrupt field that it makes Trump look like the soul of sane deliberation, decorum and political brilliance, but the Dems and LibbyFucks managed.

They’re pulling from a deep well of corruption. It’s not even fair!

jazz_music says

There’s no sense of balance to what our country does overseas, not just Iran, Syria, Venezuela, but even China too. Our military industry has us in over our head. It needs to stop.

America’s largest foreign soil base is Garrison Humphreys home to 45,000 personnel in South Korea and right across from China.

We would absolutely freak if a country did this to us. The oligarchs media would not let us get a minute rest if any country built a supply logistics base the size of the Pentagon just a hundred miles or so off our coast.

http://time.com/5324575/us-camp-humphreys-south-korea-largest-military-base/

Right, because China has never invaded the Korean Penninsula - and I don't just mean 1952.

personal

Off Limits to the Media? How so?

@OccasionalCortex.

Great Piece.

Takeaway: They love Kamala Harris, because they know she'll be a good Dem who will blast Whites, and be "fake-tough" on Wall Street.

Kamala Harris was a favorite of many in the room. The U.S. senator from California now describes herself as a populist and highlighted a past confrontation with JPMorgan CEO Jamie Dimon over foreclosures in her pre-campaign book, but in 2012, as California’s attorney general, she passed on prosecuting OneWest and its CEO, Steven Mnuchin. In this cycle, she has been the Democrat perhaps most active in seeking Wall Street money (Citi vice-chairman Ray McGuire and Pine Street partner Brian Mathis are helping with her Wall Street outreach, and she recently headlined a fund-raiser hosted by LionTree CEO Aryeh Bourkoff) and occasionally its advice (BlackRock’s Michael Pyle, an Obama-administration alum, is advising her on economics). “People are generally in search of a candidate who has the right set of views, has the right character, but also can win,” Rattner told me later. “Right now, it is very hard to see who checks all three boxes.”

They also love Werner

But another option held promise: moderate Virginia Democrat Mark Warner, who’d twice before considered running. The senator agreed to meet last summer and listened as they promised funding and presented a plan to get his name on the ballot in all 50 states. Then Warner, assessing the probability of a successful third-party run, told them, “Thanks, but no thanks.”

He's the most dangerous Democrat, since he represents Social Security-free Federal Workers living in Virginia, and has long discussed stealing and reneging on Social Security Contributions.

jazz_music says

US imperialism madness must stop if at all possible.

Why? And who (country) would fill the void? Would the world be a better place? Can't just say this without explaining how and why this should happen.

Medium is blocking vomit boy! Scandal!

HonkpilledMaster says

jazz_music says

There’s no sense of balance to what our country does overseas, not just Iran, Syria, Venezuela, but even China too. Our military industry has us in over our head. It needs to stop.

America’s largest foreign soil base is Garrison Humphreys home to 45,000 personnel in South Korea and right across from China.

We would absolutely freak if a country did this to us. The oligarchs media would not let us get a minute rest if any country built a supply logistics base the size of the Pentagon just a hundred miles or so off our coast.

http://time.com/5324575/us-camp-humphreys-south-korea-largest-military-base/

Right, because China has never invaded the Korean Penninsula - and I don't just mean 1952.

Let's start after WWII: List of wars involving the US.

Korean War
Laotian Civil War
Lebanon Crisis
Bay of Pigs Invasion
Simba rebellion, Operation Dragon Rouge, Congo
Vietnam War
Communist insurgency in Thailand
Korean DMZ Conflict
Dominican Civil War
Insurgency in Bolivia
Cambodian Civil War
War in South Zaire
Gulf of Sidra encounter
Lebanese Civil War
Invasion of Grenada
Action in the Gulf of Sidra
Bombing of Libya
Tanker War, Persian Gulf
Tobruk encounter
Invasion of Panama
Gulf War
Iraqi No-Fly Zone Enforcement Operations
First Intervention in the Somali Civil War
Bosnian War
Intervention in Haiti
Kosovo War
Operation Infinite Reach. Sudan and Afghanistan
War in Afghanistan
Iraq War
War in North-West Pakistan
War in Somalia
Operation Ocean Shield
American-led intervention in Libya
Operation Observant Compass, Uganda
American-led intervention in Iraq
American-led intervention in Syria
Yemeni Civil War
American Intervention in Libya

Scattered across the globe are 800 American military bases while Washington’s principal enemies du jour Russia and China have, respectively, only one and none.

It is depressing to observe how the United States of America has become the evil empire. Having served in the United States Army during the Vietnam War and in the Central Intelligence Agency for the second half of the Cold War, I had an insider’s viewpoint of how an essentially pragmatic national security policy was being transformed bit by bit into a bipartisan doctrine that featured as a sine qua non global dominance for Washington.

https://www.veteranstoday.com/2019/04/26/rumors-of-war-washington-is-looking-for-a-fight/

This sounds suspicious, like the crap that was pulled on Kavanaugh.

Listen, at the end of the day, I'd actually think most Patnetter's would agree the military expenses and reach is over the top. The problem is our economy and frankly parts of the world have become reliant on our military and the threat of it. If we don't pull back carefully, our economy could suffer massively and then people would be bitching about that.

I do think we could reduce our footprint to an extent and would like to see it happen. But close a foreign base and guess what, someone else is going to fill the void. It has to be done strategically. Are trade routes protected that get us products or our products to other countries? It's not just about money or us being an evil empire. We're a global economy and more people would be dying if we weren't doing what we do. We kill, but more we be killed if we didn't.

Whether it's right, wrong or stupid, we are the stabilizing force in the world regardless of how many incursions we've been involved in. It wasn't the US starting WWI or II. I'd bet you can take KT's list of US "wars" and add up the casualties and it doesn't come close to touching WWI or II. We start or intervene in shit for sure, but nothing close to the magnitude of what Europe has done. Be pissed at them... and understand it was Europe that forced our hand into this position while they rebuilt from their bullshit. No MAJOR war (or even close) in 50 years and people don't even remember Europe couldn't keep it's shit together for 30 years before 2 of the globes deadliest wars? Fuck America though...

WookieMan says

America

The only bulwark against world wide forced conversion to Islam.

Taking land away from Peasants in Mount Pleasant is WINNING! Taking $4 billion from peasants to give to foxCONn in incentives is yet more WINNING!

jazz_music says

No coverage

Ask the NYT and WaPo why they stopped covering Afghanistan in 2009.

Lack of coverage is due to the WaPo assigning 100 staffers to "Git Trump"

WookieMan says

I do think we could reduce our footprint to an extent and would like to see it happen. But close a foreign base and guess what, someone else is going to fill the void. It has to be done strategically. Are trade routes protected that get us products or our products to other countries? It's not just about money or us being an evil empire. We're a global economy and more people would be dying if we weren't doing what we do. We kill, but more we be killed if we didn't.

Afghanistan could be handed off to India, which would be the most elegant solution. They have rough relations with China, the Russians won't want to muscle in on a top military customer, allows India to encircle Crapistan to the West, and gets us out of there.

kt1652 says

It is depressing to observe how the United States of America has become the evil empire.

OK - so does America get any credit for the remarkable peace and prosperity around the globe since we became an "empire"?

jazz_music says

Carter then said the US has been at peace for only 16 of its 242 years as a nation.

Carter missed the root cause. We've only been without a central bank twice in our history. Try fighting a war without the ability to print endless debt, doesn't work so well.

jazz_music says

18 years war in Afghanistan

Hopefully we all can agree here that 18-year war without any end in sight and at this point, without any reason is bad from all possible respects - fiscal, moral for troops, generating support for Islamists by constant bombing of marriage processions, etc. If someone should be worried about Islamists in Afghanistan, it is China, India, and Russia - let them spend the money and lives of their citizens.
NuttBoxer says

Try fighting a war without the ability to print endless debt, doesn't work so well.

Exactly. Or have a balanced budget amendment, where budget has to be balanced in all cases except official, declared war. Most of wars these days are not declared.

Patrick says

Yup. I mean, seriously, like what about the Mongols under Genghis Khan?

I always thought Jimmy Carter was a class act ex-President. For the last 30 years I have said he is best ex-President in History.
But like him, Bono, Gates, and the EU Do Gooders, every region they touched turned to shit and taken over by Warlords and created humanitarian crisis.

Those Water Wells and Measles shots came at a huge price. And what Measles shots?

Bill Gates fucking lied to the World He gave billions to Terrorists to create their shit, while telling us he eradicated Measles world wide. Now that the displaced refugees are in America. We're seeing where Billy boy Measle money went. Jimmy Carter too. Fuck them all. Lying Globalist bastards!

jazz_music says

U.S. solder killed in the Republic of Niger, shows his last moments via his attached body webcam

1. VKontact is Russian Facebook. I assume VK is the Russian Periscope to VKontact. I thought you didn't like foreign influence?
2. Niger is under Islamist Fundamentalist Attack daily. Hardly a week goes by without butchery of Christians in the name of Allah.
3. The music overlaying that is Muslim Jihad Victory A-Capella.

jazz_music says

We are basically at war with Iran again and wanting to force regime change there and in Venezuela. It's no coincidence we are all programmed to hate Venezuela's leader. When the straight of Hormuz closes a global chain reaction will be triggered and Venezuela's oil could save us from the collapse of the highly illegal derivatives market and so the global economy. Both China and Russia stand with Iran and they are protecting Venezuela from our regime change operations while we make their economy scream.

The Straits of Hormuz is an international waterway that all of the Gulf States and the World wants open. Iran's closure of it would be an Act of Aggression.

The USN will keep the Straits open in the name of Freedom of the Seas, which is an International Right the US protects for everybody because Cheap Europeans won't do it.

Jimmy Carter is a moron.

jazz_music says

You are not alone in the conclusion that we are not the world's altruistic guardian as the propagandists will have you thinking,

Who is responsible for the massive reduction in death and violence around the world from war since the US became the "Evil Empire"?

jazz_music says

WTF finally proof that Jesus is God it seems we'll have to fire our guns more often and achieve more massive reduction in death and violence around the world!!! YAYYYYYYYYYY!! LOL

Do you dispute the fact that there has been a dramatic reduction of death and violence from war since America became the "Evil Empire"?

If the America haters are going to blame every death in the Middle East and around the world on the American Military Industrial Complex. Logic suggests the US also gets credit for the remarkable peace and prosperity over the last half century.

socal2 says

If the America haters are going to blame every death in the Middle East and around the world on the American Military Industrial Complex. Logic suggests the US also gets credit for the remarkable peace and prosperity over the last half century.

That's not how it works with the Left, SoCal.

Why do you question the wisdom of oligarchs?

To the negative posters on this thread. Can one of you please explain socal2's graph that everyone conveniently ignored? WWI isn't even on there either. If you have a problem with a nation or region the finger should be pointed at Europe clearly. They fucked up twice big time and we took over.

Shits not as dark as y'all like to think, but keep believing the lie.

socal2 says

jazz_music says

U.S. solder killed in the Republic of Niger, shows his last moments via his attached body webcam

More American tourists likely die overseas than soldiers in the current environment. STOP TRAVELING PEOPLE!!!! Oh wait, one of the biggest reason they're able to travel is because we've made the world a safer place. Sometimes with a gun, but sometimes just being there. But hey, let's pull back and hope some Hitler type regime doesn't fill in the void. Has logic gone missing or something. Weird day today.

WookieMan says

If you have a problem with a nation or region the finger should be pointed at Europe clearly. They fucked up twice big time and we took over.

Three times: Vietnam was an attempt to mop up after French screwed the pooch there.

WookieMan says

More American tourists likely die overseas than soldiers in the current environment. STOP TRAVELING PEOPLE!!

Stop traveling to shithole countries.