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jazz_music says

18 years war in Afghanistan

Hopefully we all can agree here that 18-year war without any end in sight and at this point, without any reason is bad from all possible respects - fiscal, moral for troops, generating support for Islamists by constant bombing of marriage processions, etc. If someone should be worried about Islamists in Afghanistan, it is China, India, and Russia - let them spend the money and lives of their citizens.
NuttBoxer says

Try fighting a war without the ability to print endless debt, doesn't work so well.

Exactly. Or have a balanced budget amendment, where budget has to be balanced in all cases except official, declared war. Most of wars these days are not declared.

Patrick says

Yup. I mean, seriously, like what about the Mongols under Genghis Khan?

I always thought Jimmy Carter was a class act ex-President. For the last 30 years I have said he is best ex-President in History.
But like him, Bono, Gates, and the EU Do Gooders, every region they touched turned to shit and taken over by Warlords and created humanitarian crisis.

Those Water Wells and Measles shots came at a huge price. And what Measles shots?

Bill Gates fucking lied to the World He gave billions to Terrorists to create their shit, while telling us he eradicated Measles world wide. Now that the displaced refugees are in America. We're seeing where Billy boy Measle money went. Jimmy Carter too. Fuck them all. Lying Globalist bastards!

jazz_music says

U.S. solder killed in the Republic of Niger, shows his last moments via his attached body webcam

1. VKontact is Russian Facebook. I assume VK is the Russian Periscope to VKontact. I thought you didn't like foreign influence?
2. Niger is under Islamist Fundamentalist Attack daily. Hardly a week goes by without butchery of Christians in the name of Allah.
3. The music overlaying that is Muslim Jihad Victory A-Capella.

jazz_music says

We are basically at war with Iran again and wanting to force regime change there and in Venezuela. It's no coincidence we are all programmed to hate Venezuela's leader. When the straight of Hormuz closes a global chain reaction will be triggered and Venezuela's oil could save us from the collapse of the highly illegal derivatives market and so the global economy. Both China and Russia stand with Iran and they are protecting Venezuela from our regime change operations while we make their economy scream.

The Straits of Hormuz is an international waterway that all of the Gulf States and the World wants open. Iran's closure of it would be an Act of Aggression.

The USN will keep the Straits open in the name of Freedom of the Seas, which is an International Right the US protects for everybody because Cheap Europeans won't do it.

Jimmy Carter is a moron.

jazz_music says

You are not alone in the conclusion that we are not the world's altruistic guardian as the propagandists will have you thinking,

Who is responsible for the massive reduction in death and violence around the world from war since the US became the "Evil Empire"?

jazz_music says

WTF finally proof that Jesus is God it seems we'll have to fire our guns more often and achieve more massive reduction in death and violence around the world!!! YAYYYYYYYYYY!! LOL

Do you dispute the fact that there has been a dramatic reduction of death and violence from war since America became the "Evil Empire"?

If the America haters are going to blame every death in the Middle East and around the world on the American Military Industrial Complex. Logic suggests the US also gets credit for the remarkable peace and prosperity over the last half century.

socal2 says

If the America haters are going to blame every death in the Middle East and around the world on the American Military Industrial Complex. Logic suggests the US also gets credit for the remarkable peace and prosperity over the last half century.

That's not how it works with the Left, SoCal.

Why do you question the wisdom of oligarchs?

To the negative posters on this thread. Can one of you please explain socal2's graph that everyone conveniently ignored? WWI isn't even on there either. If you have a problem with a nation or region the finger should be pointed at Europe clearly. They fucked up twice big time and we took over.

Shits not as dark as y'all like to think, but keep believing the lie.

socal2 says

jazz_music says

U.S. solder killed in the Republic of Niger, shows his last moments via his attached body webcam

More American tourists likely die overseas than soldiers in the current environment. STOP TRAVELING PEOPLE!!!! Oh wait, one of the biggest reason they're able to travel is because we've made the world a safer place. Sometimes with a gun, but sometimes just being there. But hey, let's pull back and hope some Hitler type regime doesn't fill in the void. Has logic gone missing or something. Weird day today.

WookieMan says

If you have a problem with a nation or region the finger should be pointed at Europe clearly. They fucked up twice big time and we took over.

Three times: Vietnam was an attempt to mop up after French screwed the pooch there.

WookieMan says

More American tourists likely die overseas than soldiers in the current environment. STOP TRAVELING PEOPLE!!

Stop traveling to shithole countries.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

It's WINNING! twice if FOXCONN does nothing but complain the county won't let them run a massage parlor in the empty building that was supposed to be pumping out $1500 iPhones.

Triple WINNING! if peasants are sold for organ harvesting to PRC after their land and money has been taken! Otherwise their smell and complaints Burden Masters of Universe!

You mean the IRGC doesn't meddle in 17 countries outside of Iran?

jazz_music says

Iran’s independent-minded government

How fucking cute.

FIRING SQUAD, 2 TIMES! JUST IN CASE HE SURVIVES THE FIRST ROUND!

jazz_music says

The US should get credit for the remarkable peace and prosperity from the last half century

Definitely.

Si Vis Pacem, Para bellum

He's just been bum blasting the wrong people for leftovers. Time to start getting some of the high paying bum blasting in big government.

Tim Aurora says

“did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance” of Mueller’s work,

What did he miss?

Onvacation says

Tim Aurora says

“did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance” of Mueller’s work,

What did he miss?

Slow down. Answering your question would require logical thought, with neither memes nor innuendo.

not gonna happen.

Ex: hey @Marcus ... to what "evidence" are you referring?

CBOEtrader says

Ex: hey @Marcus ... to what "evidence" are you referring?

They don't have none.

Like my Black Liberal friend.

He keeps having to admit Trump is far better than any President in our lifetime or possibly if ever.
But he keeps saying now, Republicans do have the better policies than Democrats right now. It's just Trump! Couldn't ya'll have picked someone better to be President.

I keep telling him, we didn't pick him, he picked us. And NO! There isn't anyone better. Then when I press him, and ask him about what would he expect if Trump was just impeached or removed, or if the Liberals got their midterm Mulligan do over and Trump was thrown out and replaced. Who does he expect to replace him?

Liberals do not have a firm grasp of reality. If they did they would work on a message and look forward and strategize on how to win future elections.

Tim Aurora says

four-page memo to Congress describing the principal conclusions of the investigation into President Trump “did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance” of Mueller’s work

How could any summary ever capture the full context and nature and substance of any 400 page report? The important thing is that Barr didn’t lie or leave out anything germane to the investigation into Russian Collusion. And he later released as much of the report as was lawful to do.
Mueller is just butthurt that he couldn’t find shit on Trump after years and millions of man hours trying.
Done.

jazz_music says

And Iran threatens to shut down traffic in the Strait of Hormuz which is 20% of the world’s oil.

You think that might impact the markets?

They will get their asses handed to them on a plate a-la April 18, 1988. What happened to the markets on that day? Did it matter in the grand scheme of things?

Sometimes it’s not enough to simply growl to prove you’re the biggest baddest dog on the block. You have to actually tear someone’s ass off to maintain respect.
Iran has been asking for it.

Good!

"The US wants Iran to end all its nuclear and missile programmes, withdraw its forces from Syria, stop its "destabilising" policies in Iraq, Afghanistan and the Gulf, and cease its support for armed groups like Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Houthis in exchange for negotiating a new nuclear deal.
No one would have been more surprised than the US itself if Iran had said yes to any of it. These demands basically constitute total Iranian surrender, not only to the US but also to Israel and Saudi Arabia, Trump's key regional partners and principle drivers behind the new Iran policy."

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/arrogance-fanaticism-prospect-iranian-war-190430085736682.html

US labeled Iran Revolutionary Guard as Foreign Terrorist, that means open season for our military to attack, kill Iranian troops anywhere, anytime. There had been Middle East sources reporting US planes bombing Iranian troops in Syria.

Trump is placing a strangulation hold on Iranian people with a total oil export embargo.
This is old fashioned gun-boat diplomacy.
When Iranians are desperate and fight back, our superior military will slaughter them.
There is no need to declare war when a superior aggressor’s action directly lead to no other option but war.

Why? For Israel? Saudi Arabia? Petro-dollar hegemony? Re-election?

War should be the absolute last resort for defense.

kt1652 says

Trump is placing a strangulation hold on Iranian people

Not on the people but on the regime. The same regime the people protested against on many occasions and were brutally supressed.

I’ll be the first to say that we have no business screwing around in affairs of the Middle East. But going after Trump with what every president has done before him is ridiculous; we would probably be in multiple full ground conflicts if it was Hillary as our president. Liberals will be complaining no matter what Trump does, and every administration before his has totally fucked things up and made things worse since becoming world police. Their culture and way of life is not compatible with ours we should not be there and they should not be coming here.

Hugolas_Madurez says

kt1652 says

Trump is placing a strangulation hold on Iranian people

Not on people but on the regime.

Justification of a bully.
"These measures are pushing the Iranian economy to the brink. Oil exports, which have already dwindled from 2.5 million to less than 1.3 million barrels a day since last year, could drop even further, crippling the state budget. Ordinary Iranians, who are already suffering from the raging inflation (currently at 40 percent) and skyrocketing prices of goods, will likely bear the brunt of Washington's push to bring Iranian oil exports to zero. And this is only the beginning."

kt1652 says

Hugolas_Madurez says

kt1652 says

Trump is placing a strangulation hold on Iranian people

Not on people but on the regime.

Justification of a bully.
"These measures are pushing the Iranian economy to the brink. Oil exports, which have already dwindled from 2.5 million to less than 1.3 million barrels a day since last year, could drop even further, crippling the state budget. Ordinary Iranians, who are already suffering from the raging inflation (currently at 40 percent) and skyrocketing prices of goods, will likely bear the brunt of Washington's push to bring Iranian oil exports to zero. And this is only the beginning."

Ordinary Iranians are not fond of the regime. There has been many mass protests over the recent 10-12 years.

Ordinary Iranians are not fond of the regime. There has been many mass protests over the recent 10-12 years.

Problem is, if Iran is attacked, these people not fond of the regime would unite behind it.

Hugolas_Madurez says

kt1652 says

Hugolas_Madurez says

kt1652 says

Trump is placing a strangulation hold on Iranian people

Not on people but on the regime.

Justification of a bully.
"These measures are pushing the Iranian economy to the brink. Oil exports, which have already dwindled from 2.5 million to less than 1.3 million barrels a day since last year, could drop even further, crippling the state budget. Ordinary Iranians, who are already suffering from the raging inflation (currently at 40 percent) and skyrocketing prices of goods, will likely bear the brunt of Washington's push to bring Iranian oil exports to zero. And this is only the beginning."

Ordinary Iranians are not fond of the regime. There has been many mass protests over the recent 10-12 years.

Arrogant beyond believe. This is the basic logic used to justify the West's robbing, and looting everything, in all corners of the world for centuries.
This game, we played on Venezuela.
Sanction, embargo, freezing assets, destabilize the country.
When the society is near total collapse, we send our troops in to avert an humanitarian crisis.
Good guys.

Why cnn doesnt cover this 24-7 like Russia-gate?
Saudi owns cnn.
www.youtube.com/embed/pRLojO4UCJU

kt1652 says

West's robbing, and looting everything, in all corners of the world for centuries.

Oooh, the ever fresh Commie bullshit.

Call me whatever, at least I have a conscience.
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In reality, most of the movements labeled as communist by the United States were largely concerned with achieving independence and democratic control over local resources and were usually represented by the vast majority of each respective country’s population. In its quest to stop communism, the United States was actually waging a war on independence and democracy—in many cases literally overthrowing democratically elected governments—to serve the interests of U.S.-based corporations and banks
In 1954, the Eisenhower administration orchestrated a coup against the democratically elected government of Jacobo Árbenz after he instituted badly needed land reform and other social democratic measures, such as introducing a minimum wage and expanding voter rights. United Fruit, a U.S.-based corporation, was unhappy with the loss of “their” land in Guatemala to Guatemalan peasants and lobbied the U.S. government to overthrow Árbenz.
In Cuba, the United States began a campaign of sabotage and economic strangulation after Fidel Castro’s movement took power in 1959 and overthrew the U.S.-backed dictatorship of Fulgencio Batista.
In Brazil, the Johnson administration assisted in overthrowing the democratically elected government of João Goulart in 1964.
In Chile, the Nixon administration supported the overthrow of the democratically elected Salvador Allende in 1973, and supported the dictator Augusto Pinochet, who presided over the torture and killing of tens of thousands of Chileans.
In 1979, the Reagan administration endeavored to punish the Nicaraguan people by funding and arming a right-wing terrorist group known as the Contras.
In the Middle East, the Eisenhower administration overthrew the democratically elected government of Mohammad Mosaddegh in Iran because he had nationalized the oil industry, upsetting the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (now BP).
U.S. intervention during the Cold War as Indochina — Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia. Dropping 7.5 million tons of bombs on the region. 400,000 tons of napalm. 19 million gallons of herbicides.
The invasion of Iraq in 2003 was justified in part on Iraq’s fictional ties to al-Qaida and its supposed responsibility for 9/11. The invasion and occupation resulted in the deaths of a million Iraqis, as well as spawning the terrorist group ISIS. The interventions in Afghanistan and Libya have been similarly devastating.

kt1652 says

Call me whatever, at least I have a conscience.

Right. What does your concience say about Venezuela situation? You mentioned "US robbing Venezuela". Isn't it funny how Venezuela was doing resaonably fine while "US was robbing it" and then slid into full-out shithole cituation when US stopped "robbing" it with its oil companies and was simply buying Venezuelan oil at market price.

Mr. thumpingtits: watch this guy.
His "God bless America.." was funny...
www.youtube.com/embed/8T9ICWOYCNQ?t=41

kt1652 says

watch this guy.

Nah, we'd rather talk to you.