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104437   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2019 Aug 14, 11:32am  

Start a business.
Stop taxing working class.
Remove illegals and offshores from labor market.

Liberals are funny, tax the life out of the poor and complain about successful people.
104438   Bd6r   2019 Aug 14, 11:52am  

HEYYOU says
"CEOs rake in 940% more than 40 years ago, while average workers earn 12% more"

Because of unchecked illegal immigration and outsourcing to Chindia. Why does the Left HATE! AMERICAN! WORKERS! and are not doing anything about this??? (I understand why Koch Industries are for illegal immigration).
104439   Hircus   2019 Aug 14, 6:45pm  

Looks cool, but I suspect the "Fair use data policy" will throttle speeds heavily in some areas / times.

https://support.skyroam.com/hc/en-us/articles/360033217174-Fair-Use-Policy
104440   Ceffer   2019 Aug 14, 8:43pm  

Did he have a GoFundMe betting pool on his hits and misses?
104441   Ceffer   2019 Aug 14, 8:45pm  

Because obviously one armed guy and a squadron of incompetent, armed, vested police is not a fair fight. Maybe they should put more money into police training.

Donut fat is NOT bullet proof.
104442   Ceffer   2019 Aug 15, 4:48pm  

I know. This is one of Trump's major failings. Here he is surrounded by all these Deep State black bag and disinformation artists, ready and willing with itchy piano wire fingers, and he doesn't deploy them for a Clintonesque reign of terror on these idiot Congress people.

Nut up, Trumpligula, nut UP!
104443   HeadSet   2019 Aug 16, 6:19am  

Why doesn't he use BiBi and Mossad? Have you no imagination? All Trump need do is "leak" that Omar and Tlaib have incriminating evidence on the Clintons. Both Omar and Tlaib would then be "Seth Riched."
104444   SunnyvaleCA   2019 Aug 16, 11:13am  

HEYYOU says
take SS & Medicare from all Republicans

That's pretty much what will happen if SS and Medicare become needs tested. All my close friends are assuming they will get $0 from SS after having paid in the maximum amount every year for a few decades.
104445   Ceffer   2019 Aug 16, 11:25am  

"Putin has Siberia. We MUST have Greenland! It's an image thing."
104446   Bd6r   2019 Aug 16, 11:48am  

Senior Moments by Commander in Chief!
104447   Tenpoundbass   2019 Aug 16, 11:54am  

We should just Annex it. Denmark can kiss our Red White and Blue Ass.
104448   Ceffer   2019 Aug 16, 1:22pm  

Danes have an abundance of blond bush. They don't need Greenland.
104449   mell   2019 Aug 16, 1:26pm  

Good idea! I like.
104450   Bd6r   2019 Aug 16, 1:44pm  

jazz_music says
he other part is 100 percent clean energy by 2030.

In short, poor people will be fucked because some scientifically incompetent utopians will make energy 5x more expensive, while not decreasing carbon emissions. One special interest - fossil fuels - will be replaced by another, so called "green" or "sustainable" or "clean" energy, whatever it means.
Hollywood rich and Al Gore will be able to survive this in their 1000000000 sq ft mansions, while working poor will see their life quality plummet
104451   Ceffer   2019 Aug 16, 1:49pm  

Reparations for listening to Trump!
104452   Bd6r   2019 Aug 16, 1:51pm  

jazz_music says
That's major fear in the face of extinction.

I do not get this? Let's pretend that scientifically incompetent utopians will save us from extinction? They will not, they (due to their incompetence and stupidity) will make extincion faster. Their solutions will (1) make power rates go up, and (2) will not decrease carbon emissions or even pollution. Please see what happened when Germany went with so-called Green energy. https://www.electricitymap.org/?page=map&solar=false&remote=true&wind=false
104453   Bd6r   2019 Aug 16, 1:55pm  

jazz_music says
crushing corporate power and establishing a socialist system.

And this part seems quite suspicious as well. Usually crushing corporate power ends up with establishing Power of State Socialism, which is much worse than what was crushed. I get that corporate power is bad - I just do not know how to remove it without system degenerating into Mao or Stalin socialism. Perhaps devolving 99% of power to communities would do the trick, but neither the collective Right nor left would go for it, as they seem more concerned with imposing their visions on everyone.
104454   Bd6r   2019 Aug 16, 1:59pm  

Ceffer says
Reparations for listening to Trump!

I switch off my TV when Trump is on. Did the same when Obama was on TV as bleating of politicians is highly annoying.
Should my wages be garnished?
104455   Bd6r   2019 Aug 16, 2:18pm  

jazz_music says
Good, because we have to do something.

Best solution would be to allow individuals to make their own choices, unless their choices harm others. Sadly, people quoted in the OP appear to be ready to make choices for others.
I make my choice by living in a 1200 sq ft house and consuming 20% of electricity that an average household consumes. I do not want to be told that my electricity price has to go up by 500% to support Mr. Hedges carbon dioxide-spewing travels to London, or to support Al Gore investments, or Ms. Ocasio-Cortez reelection by scientifically illiterate millenial hipsters.
104456   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2019 Aug 16, 2:21pm  

Professional liberal victims writing articles again. Nothing new.

Democrats the party that supports illegal migration, open racism, and pedophilia. And now crying victim while yelling insults at whites, women, conservatives and blacks for 10 ducking years.
104457   Bd6r   2019 Aug 16, 3:51pm  

jazz_music says
By focusing on the choices in less overblown terms we can get closer to some practical solutions.

The problem is that "solutions" are proposed by people who are scientifically illiterate AND have self-interest in solutions they are peddling. Not different from "solutions" proposed by Big Oil. Just saying that solar or cellulosic ethanol is "green" does not make it green or practical in any way.

The only practical solution that involves cutting CO2 emissions to nearly 0 and does not decrease life quality of "deplorables" of all races and nationalities is nuclear power, which none of the "green whatever" people like. A rational solution thus would be to advance and research Th reactors, to re-burn nuclear waste a few times so that it gets really radioactive with short half-life, to build new, modern and safe nuclear reactors, and so on. Unfortunately, the trend-setting Hollywood celebrities, who are individuals we are supposed to turn to for "wise guidance" think that "green" involves things that are mostly not green in reality. Neither side of politicians discussing this shows any brain waves as well. Ms. Cortez is beyond any criticism in her lack of education and stupidity, to the point that it is not even worth discussing. This is conveniently combined with her self-righteousness and lack of ability to process new information on scale not seen before. Other side of discourse is in pocket of oil companies and Saudi Barbaria (which may be the same pocket).

I get that Step 1 with any problem is to admit that we have one. I am not 100% sure that we have a problem; having said that, even if chance of having that problem is 20%, we should do something as not doing anything has possible catastrophic results; furthermore, screwing over dictatorships such as Russia and Saudi barbaria is a worthwhile goal by itself. Step 2 is however even more important - what we do should mitigate the issue and not kill life quality of billions to make few select new oligarchs very rich. The Green new Deals I have heard about will not work and will benefit select few politically connected rich people to the detriment of everyone else.
104458   RC2006   2019 Aug 16, 3:58pm  

Diversity has crippled the US ability to reach consensus on anything. Gone are the days that we could plan out grand projects to help future generations. Globalists have used diversity to divide our once great western civilization into tribalism that is easily manipulated.
104459   Ceffer   2019 Aug 16, 5:33pm  

'The Art Of The Deal'. Maybe Trump can fool Denmark into giving us Greenland by telling them they can have Germany in exchange.
104460   Bd6r   2019 Aug 16, 5:41pm  

jazz_music says
There are other choices, windmills don't really cause cancer, hydro not just from rivers but from ocean waves, tidal power, solar may fit into the picture too, perhaps the best is a blending of choices.

We need to look seriously at what the Europeans are doing that is working for them, instead of letting the rest of the world leave us behind so our rich pricks can keep their rate of returns optimal.

Wind kills bats in millions, other than that it may be OK - but it does not run all the time. Solar works in desert climates and covers up too much land - again, it may be a niche solution in some places. Hydro in rivers is the only currently realistic carbon neutral source besides nuclear, but it screws up eco-systems of rivers and can not work everywhere. Tidal I do not know much about.

The most successful Europeans are Icelanders with geothermal (not applicable everywhere, again a good niche solution), French with nucular, and Norwegians with hydro which is not applicable everywhere as well. Germans are doing worse WRT to emissions since they started their own Green deal.

If you look at link in #4 you will see that only countries with nuclear or hydro are extremely low-CO2 emitters.
104461   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2019 Aug 16, 7:11pm  

Windmills dude, how many you gonna build? That’s a lot of fields to cover, and they don’t always work. How do you connect it all? How do you manage VAR? You can’t!

That’s fantasy land thinking with windmills, only nuclear can solve this problem.

jazz_music says
6rdB says
The only practical solution that involves cutting CO2 emissions to nearly 0 and does not decrease life quality of "deplorables" of all races and nationalities is nuclear power,
There are other choices, windmills don't really cause cancer, hydro not just from rivers but from ocean waves, tidal power, solar may fit into the picture too, perhaps the best is a blending of choices.

We need to look seriously at what the Europeans are doing that is working for them, instead of letting the rest of the world leave us behind so our rich pricks can keep their rate of returns optimal.
104462   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Aug 16, 11:42pm  

6rdB says
In short, poor people will be fucked because some scientifically incompetent utopians will make energy 5x more expensive, while not decreasing carbon emissions. One special interest - fossil fuels - will be replaced by another, so called "green" or "sustainable" or "clean" energy, whatever it means.


The Energiewende!
104463   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Aug 16, 11:46pm  

Fortwaynemobile says
Windmills dude, how many you gonna build? That’s a lot of fields to cover, and they don’t always work. How do you connect it all? How do you manage VAR? You can’t!


Most of the renewables under the Glorious Energiewende came from highly subsidized ethanol. Half of all of Germany's "Renewable" power. Of course, ethanol is grown with fertilizer using diesel powered tractors... plus the smoke belching diesel trucks hauling the fertilizer and the oil.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2019/05/06/the-reason-renewables-cant-power-modern-civilization-is-because-they-were-never-meant-to/#39129823ea2b
104464   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Aug 16, 11:50pm  

6rdB says
If you look at link in #4 you will see that only countries with nuclear or hydro are extremely low-CO2 emitters.


One of the tricks the Greenies play is to look at German Domestic Gross Capacity, rather than Gross Consumption. So it looks good they built so much Wind and Solar, until one realizes they've been importing electric from France and Poland to make up for the unreliability of wind and solar - those countries are running on Nuclear and Coal Plants.

Germany's share of renewables isn't impressive at all, in fact it's below the EU average. And that's counting biogas as "renewable".

To get there they doubled the average Residential/Commerical (but not Industrial, exempt) electric bill in Real Euros over the past decade or so, just to get a teeny increase in renewables.

104465   GNL   2019 Aug 17, 4:36am  

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says
You are FREE! to worship the FUHRER!

Sorry to do this AF but I'm putting you on ignore. Your hatefilled passion is simply too much. You are too emotional and add nothing to a rational persons thinking. Good luck to you.
104466   Shaman   2019 Aug 17, 5:27am  

Sounds like a pretty awesome deal to me: show up for work, but don’t work, just hang out with your buddies and get paid well to listen to Trump. I don’t actually watch any of his rallies or speeches, but I would for $700!

As for unions...Trump is used to paying union men to do the work on his properties. I think he recognizes that unions have a place in America and are good for the working class and the economy.
104467   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2019 Aug 17, 5:42am  

Cheer, or we light the mother up!
104468   Bd6r   2019 Aug 17, 7:30am  

jazz_music says
So do you think we maybe should heed all that wisdom of the ages???

@jazz_music,

BTW I am not downvoting you - even though I disagree with you, we are having a reasonable conversation without any insults.
104469   Onvacation   2019 Aug 17, 8:52am  

jazz_music says
The old rules of politics no longer apply. The only language understood by Donald Trump and his coterie of con artists, billionaires, generals, misfits and Christian fascists—and a Democratic Party that has sold us out—is fear.

Is TDS about to turn violent? (again?)
104470   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Aug 17, 9:09am  

Chris Hedges DOES have the most punchable face, though.
104471   Ceffer   2019 Aug 17, 11:01am  

Press whores started seeding the Trump mental decllne scenario as soon as he announced his candidacy. And yet, IHLlary, Bernie, stoned immaculate Obama and Biden are their darlings?
104472   Patrick   2019 Aug 17, 12:31pm  

6rdB says
I am not downvoting you - even though I disagree with you, we are having a reasonable conversation without any insults.


Thank you! I wish every user were like that.
104473   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Aug 17, 12:43pm  

I'm sure it's as unbiased and science driven as gender fluidity
104474   SunnyvaleCA   2019 Aug 17, 1:43pm  

TLDR
104475   Bd6r   2019 Aug 17, 1:56pm  

jazz_music says
is that bio-diesel?

No, right?

Anyway because of the positive impact on the infrastructure and all, we should throw bio-diesel into the trade-off studies.

Bioethanol can be made from corn (very bad ecologically) or waste cellulose (just bad or at best neutral). I read up about it a few years ago, and at that time only ethanol made from sugarcane in tropical countries such as Brazil made any environmental/economic sense. May be there is something new today, but I doubt.
Biodiesel in Europe is made from rapeseed, in US from soy. I do not think this is OK - burning food makes food prices go up, thus starving CHILDREN! and UNDERPRIVILEGED POPULATION GROUPS! Seriously though, I have not seen calculations on biodiesel - how much energy is gained (or lost, like in production of corn ethanol in US), and if it is environmentally friendly or not. I suspect not, since one needs craploads of pesticides. Without pesticides and intensive agriculture, we will need to put in more energy into biodiesel than we will get out of it for sure.
104476   Bd6r   2019 Aug 17, 2:05pm  

jazz_music says
The solutions must come from the same top systems integrators that design all the other complicated systems we enjoy as a society.

Alternatively, if we decentralize power production systems, we can screw over corporations/Big Oil/etc. Suppose we have a small but relatively efficient and non-polluting power generation system which we can install in our houses. Then most of oil-, coal-, etc lobby will disappear. I would be perfectly willing to have my own power generating system if I can hose Big Business and City Government. I would choose it even it is somewhat more expensive than power I have now. However, if I am FORCED to buy expensive power from Ms. Ocasio-Cortez/Al Gore power company, I might start rioting. That would not be MY choice anymore.

Unfortunately we do not have technology for efficient, small-scale power production yet.

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