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richwicks says

What disappoints me is that people are so goddamned stupid.

Let me guess.

You believe 9/11 was an inside job - right?

socal2 says

You believe 9/11 was an inside job - right?

And Kennedy was shot from the grassy knoll. And the Vietnamese attacked us in Tonkin Bay. And Iraq had WMD. And 3 skyscrapers collapsed after being hit by two jet planes. And Trump colluded with Putin to DENY Hillary.

Tim Aurora says

his cult can continue to rule America with Electoral College and Senate even while the other party is majority

Uh, yeah, that's why we're not fucked up.

The Dems ONLY have the House, not the Democratically Elected (state-by-state) Senate, nor SCOTUS, nor the Presidency.

The Electoral College is part of the compromise necessary to create the USA and ensure less populous states don't get swamped by more populous states.

If there was no Electoral College, there would be no USA to begin with.

Seems like you're saying that the Dems control of one half of one branch of government, and not the other "two and a half" means they should control everything.

socal2 says

richwicks says

What disappoints me is that people are so goddamned stupid.

Let me guess.

You believe 9/11 was an inside job - right?

I believe the only finite element simulation analysis that is able to duplicate the collapse of WTC7 is near simultaneous failure of all support columns, which is what would be done in a controlled demolition. You know why I think this is true? It's because it is is true:

http://ine.uaf.edu/wtc7

The data for the finite element simulation is being released, so I'll be setting up my own model and run through my own simulations when I get the time to do it. I'm an engineer too although structural and civil isn't my specialty. The simulation released by NIST only showed the first few seconds of the predicted collapse, and is nothing like what was observed, and the collapse of WTC7 was recorded from all 4 angles. You will not be able to get the data on that simulation, not that you have to, it's ridiculous.

If you have an alternative hypothesis that would explain the observed collapse, please feel free to contact Dr. Leroy Hulsey - he was the one the headed up the 4 year research study. Currently, the results are under peer review.

Didn't you realize that the United States government lies? Find that weapons of mass destruction program in Iraq yet? How's this one - stop that "humanitarian crisis that Qaddafi was about to cause" in Libya yet? Libya is in civil war, with operating slavery markets today. It's rather frustrating that the most gullible and easily manipulated of of our society determines what is "correct", and not the most educated and knowledgeable. Conspiracies happen, Operation Ajax and PBSuccess are examples.

However the outlook is improving, the oligarchs have had to move to the "child hero", which is what the fascists of Italy and Germany did, as well as the USSR and China did to persuade people. This is a good sign, not a bad one, that they now have to move to a 16 year old mentally ill kid, who literally believes the world is going to end in a decade, to convince people in our society to cede more power to this obviously corrupt government. Children are used because people are naturally reluctant to criticize a child and children are more likely to relate to a child, it's a well known method of indoctrination.

6rdB says

Tim Aurora says

What, no comments on something positive we have achieved over the years

Nice. Part of the reason probably is that population ages, and there are less males in the most violent age group (late teens to twenties). And, while this might be unpopular on Patnet, there are rather convincing studies linking decrease in violent crime to access to abortions.

Also this:

OccasionalCortex says

richwicks says

OK.... So how is this corruption?

Because Trump did not use an elected office he held to shake those industries down like Biden did for Hunter, that's why.

You confuse 'nepotism' for 'corruption'. Buy a dictionary. Study it.

Nepotism is when you place a person into a subordinate position because they are family.

Corruption is when you use your position illicitly for personal gain. Nepotism can be corruption, and in this case, it obviously is. It's common for public officials to use their family as cutouts for corruption and dupes like you defend it. Don't defend corruption, regardless of what party it comes from. This isn't a fight between democrats and republicans, it's a fight between the public and the mafia that runs the nation.

OccasionalCortex says

NuttBoxer says

Except that I think you're all fucked. But be honest, show me how Trump has been any different than Obama, fundamentally different. Defense spending? Troops in Middle East? Accountability for evil banks? Illegals?

Uummmmm...what alternate reality have you been living in?

You have to be specific if you want to change a person's mind. Here's an example of something that MIGHT be new with Trump and the banking system:

https://www.zerohedge.com/article/rico-suit-filed-against-hsbc-and-jpmorgan-silver-market-manipulation

JP Morgan is up on RICO charges for precious metals manipulation. If it's just another fine and nobody goes to jail, it's more of the same. They've been caught doing very illegal shit for a long time. I'm surprised anybody is stupid enough to do business with them, but JP Morgan is essentially the US government too.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ship-seized-in-1-3-billion-cocaine-bust-is-owned-by-jp-morgan-chase/

Heard about any fallout about that yet? I haven't. I don't think most Americans can accept what is actually going on. I keep telling people to think of the government as a mafia, and then everything they do makes perfect sense because the government isn't like a mafia, it is a mafia.

Tim Aurora says

Trump could not even make it to ticket. In 2016 , he only got elected due to Russia.

www.youtube.com/embed/UXpRswM-tzc

Democrats, stop whining. It's impossible to rig a national election. As Obama said, claiming that is unprecedented. Every Expert agrees.

Tim Aurora says

richwicks says

Obama was a 1st term JUNIOR senator in 2004, and catapulted to the presidency because absolute garbage were running, and he was an unknown, who turned out to be absolute garbage.

Trump could not even make it to ticket. In 2016 , he only got elected due to Russia.

Haha, I wonder if you actually believe this?

If you do, I pity you. The propaganda isn't so sophisticated you should be believing this.

* "It's impossible to Rig a National Election - Trump, Stop Whinging" became "The National Election was rigged with a few thousand dollars from Russia"

* "C'mon Faithless Electors! Betray the State-by-State Majority Vote" evolved into "The Electoral College Sucks, we need Popular Vote!"

NoCoupForYou says

The National Election was rigged with a few thousand dollars from Russia

That's the one that really gets me. People ACTUALLY believe that Russia "hacked" the election for around $100,000. Out of a campaign where Clinton spent 4 billion dollars, and Trump spent 2 billion.

People believe this. There's a point where you just have to conclude people are stupid, insane, or both.

OccasionalCortex says

richwicks says

Nepotism can be corruption

True. But it isn't in this case. Hunter Biden's on the other hand: We have Joe caught on video BRAGGING that is exactly what he did.

I think you misunderstand me, I'm talking about Hunter Biden. That is blatant corruption.

Hypothetically, supposing the president learns that one of the presidential candidate is corrupted and accepting bribes from an other country, what should he do to prosecute the candidate without apparent conflict of interest?

TDS has no cure.

Heraclitusstudent says

Hypothetically, supposing the president learns that one of the presidential candidate is corrupted and accepting bribes from an other country, what should he do to prosecute the candidate without apparent conflict of interest?

Who cares if there's a conflict of interest? Idiots do, and also corrupt politicians.

Tim Aurora says

No, but they are democratically elected house

The Senate is democratically elected also, no? And the President is elected based on state-by-state majority votes, no?

richwicks says

Didn't you realize that the United States government lies?

Yes it lies.

But it is also bumbling and stupid. There is no way in freaking hell they could pull something like that off and not have one single leak in nearly 20 years. Let alone leave behind a trace of reasonable evidence. There would be dozens of various US government departments involved to cover it up. How do you keep them all quiet?

There is more than enough to criticize about US foreign policy and political/corporation corruption right out in the open - I don't see why people have to go full on 9/11 truther and infowars crazy.

Heraclitusstudent says

Hypothetically, supposing the president learns that one of the presidential candidate is corrupted and accepting bribes from an other country, what should he do to prosecute the candidate without apparent conflict of interest?

As long as he does so openly using the Criminal Justice System.

And doesn't use leaked information based on oppo research as an excuse to spy on political opponents using the Patriot Act.

What if the corruption happens in an other country? The FBI should investigate it?
Clearly he shouldn't be personally involved in it. No personal lawyer or other private operation. No personal call to Ukraine's president. This was stupid in the best case.

Just 5 more years of TDS.

Heraclitusstudent says

What if the corruption happens in an other country? The FBI should investigate it?
Clearly he shouldn't be personally involved in it. No personal lawyer or other private operation. No personal call to Ukraine's president. This was stupid in the best case.

If it involves an American, it's literally the business of the Executive, the Chief Law Enforcement Officer of the land.

Keep in mind it's illegal for Americans to hunt species that are endangered under US law, even if it's allowed with a permit in other countries. People can and have been prosecuted by the Feds for the act of hunting/fishing endangered species outside the US and species that are no indigenous to North America. It's also illegal for Americans to engage in prostitution, bribery, etc. abroad.

Have some sympathy for poor Hunter. Cocaine and hookers are expensive, and he might have to spend lot of time listening to senile ole Joe blather on until he croaks.

socal2 says

richwicks says

Didn't you realize that the United States government lies?

Yes it lies.

But it is also bumbling and stupid. There is no way in freaking hell they could pull something like that off and not have one single leak in nearly 20 years.

Are you kidding? It lied us into the Iraq War. It JUST attempted a 2 1/2 year coup. Where are the leaks? We can see a lot of the culprits though.

Have you considered Mossad might have done most of the setup? They're a bunch of crazy fanatics and they have no problem performing false flags. Look at what they did to the USS Liberty.

Let alone leave behind a trace of reasonable evidence.

There WAS evidence. Molten steel for months, reports of anomalies in the air - the media simply won't report on it.

There would be dozens of various US government departments involved to cover it up. How do you keep them all quiet?

Many of them are BRUTALLY incompetent and lazy. Let me point something out to you, and you look this up. Afghanistan produced 5% of the world's supply in 2001 and now produces over 80% today - all under US military occupation. How come nobody is screaming about this? Do you think this was accidental? You just don't appreciate how slothful, and corrupt the US government is. I do. You must know about the Chinese Opium Wars, right? Why do you think the government has changed?

There's something happening right now, do you think it's a coincidence that the US has an opioid epidemic? I had family on the other side of the Iron Curtain - you simply don't have any understanding of how utterly corrupt a government can and will become before people take notice and how they can do it in secret. Everybody gets paid quite well to keep their mouth shut, and who would believe a conspiracy theorist anyhow? Just another nutcase, lost his mind..

There is more than enough to criticize about US foreign policy and political/corporation corruption right out in the open - I don't see why people have to go full on 9/11 truther and infowars crazy.

I need to be absolutely clear here. I'm not saying 9/11 was definitely an inside job. I'm saying the only finite element simulation that's been able to duplicate the collapse of WTC7 is controlled demolition. That's the ONLY thing that has duplicated it. Could engineers and scientists be missing something? Sure - of course.

Having said that, I know NIST didn't do their job. The page I gave you will take you to THEIR simulation, the small portion they released. Nobody has been able to duplicate the collapse of WTC7 as it was observed except through severing all support columns nearly simultaneously, and if you look at the simulation and compare it against the observed collapse, they are damn damn close.

Incredulity isn't a defense. Dave Column said something I think is very true, he said:

I am a "conspiracy theorist". I believe men and women of wealth and power conspire. If you don't think so, then you are what is called "an idiot". If you believe stuff but fear the label, you are what is called "a coward".

Well, I'm not a coward, and I'm not an idiot - but I also don't jump to conclusions. You can't know precisely what goes on or has happened, however, you can know what almost certainly didn't happen with very high confidence. I have very high confidence there was a LOT of assistance within our own government to do 9/11. Remember when one of the hijacker's passports was found a few blocks from the towers in pristine condition? How unbelievable is that?

Our rulers think everybody is a moron, they mock you with this bullshit. I'm simply encouraging others to be less trusting of this criminal gang and that's what it is.

Why do you think there has been a 2 1/2 year effort to remove Trump? Why do you think people are trying to prevent Trump from investigating Biden's corruption? Why do you think Hillary Clinton wasn't prosecuted, even though she's clearly guilty of Title 18 violations by simply having classified material on a personal server? Why do you think there were ZERO consequences for lying us into the Iraq War? Why do you think there is censorship on Google, Facebook and Twitter?

I can talk at length, to tell you what I think is going on if you like. I know why the Syrian war likely happened, for example, I have plenty of evidence to back it up, I'm certain I can convince you. There's plenty of whistle blowers too, but they end up like Julian Assange and Bradley (or Chelsea - who cares?) Manning. They are denounced as "nuts" as well.

You know what you do to hide evil? You ACT stupid. Our government is filled with incompetents, and it's also filled with complete sociopaths. Sociopaths don't have to be stupid and some of them are pretty smart. Jeff Zuckerberg is a sociopath, but by no means a brilliant one, and if you think he's just selling information to advertisers, and not the government, you're gullible.

OccasionalCortex says

Bitch of it is: It is slamming everyone, not just UBI recipients.

Wait a sec: I thought "U" in "UBI" was for "Universal". As in "everybody gets it, no matter what". Without it, it's just BI. As in "welfare by another name".

Wow, that's some serious rent increase % for 1 yr.

Bubut they told me UBI would free people up so that they could instead pursue creative endeavors instead of needing to focus on lame wastes of time, such as work. Is stockton out-innovating everyone yet?

Iranian_Oil_Burse says

Also this:

Vermont- pioneer in unrestricted carry? How the fuck they vote for Sanders?

OccasionalCortex says

Or, as I said previously: Is it just me?

No, it's not just you...There are an unlimited amount of TOTAL idiots.....the funny thing is, imagine if their wetdream came true and trump and pence were eliminated and pelosi was president...What changes do they expect would happen with pelosi at the helm? How would their life improve? would a couple of more wars in foreign countries improve their lives. Would more welfare improve the lives of the working stiff or the medium wealthy? Would opening the border improve their lives?

FortWayneIndiana says

Just 5 more years of TDS.

And then will comes years of PMS (Pence Moaning Syndrome).

Now that is cool..

that is a pretty cool photo

Is this fake news?

The white on black AND black on white plots are essentially overlaid. That’s a complete lie. Black on white violence is many multiples higher as has been posted many times on this forum.

Tim Aurora says

Trump could not even make it to ticket. In 2016 , he only got elected due to Russia.

One of the symptoms of TDS is delusion and refusal to accept reality.

Tim Aurora says

6rdB says

And, while this might be unpopular on Patnet, there are rather convincing studies linking decrease in violent crime to access to abortions.

Yep. Read the Freakonomics
http://freakonomics.com/podcast/abortion/

I’m pretty convinced that this is why liberals push so hard for abortion access. They really don’t want black babies.
Same reason they push so hard for illegal immigration: poor Latina compete for space with poor blacks and push them out of the urban areas. Latins also come with built-in racism against blacks, which leads to hostility and further pushing of black populations to the margins, and best of all, the Latinos mostly vote Democrat. At least for the first generation or so.
Democrats use them as a cat’s paw to get rid of pesky high crime blacks.
If the blacks knew, would they still support Democrats? Idk, maybe as long as they still thought that Republicans would take away their food stamps...

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BayArea says

Is this fake news?

You're probably just not taking into account what "rate per 1000 means."

marcus says

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BayArea says

Is this fake news?

You're probably just not taking into account what "rate per 1000 means."

I’m very much taking it into account.

Data shows that black on white violent crime is 5x higher than white on black violent crime. White population is also 5x higher than black. That doesn’t support the overlaid plot above.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

And, somehow, Manaford refused compensation and suddenly volunteered to run the Trump campaign after 10 years in the Ukraine because Trump was such an inspiration and icon of the values he holds dear? Everyone is supposed to believe that?

If the conspiracy theories like this are somehow true, which they are not, and Russians are now running our country. Well they are doing a better job than the Democrats! Go Putin! LOL!

Those devious Russian bastards! Secretly taking power then using it to create a strong US economy by lowering taxes, develop US energy independence, strengthen US manufacturing by standing up to China, not starting any new wars.. It's diabolical!

https://m.theepochtimes.com/ukraine-prosecutor-reviewing-case-of-biden-linked-company-burisma_3106292.html

Wait, so printing more money DOESN'T solve all our problems!?!?

Quigley says

I’m pretty convinced that this is why liberals push so hard for abortion access

Pretty sure? It was the stated purpose of the founder of planned parenthood.