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Booger says

finehoe says

I assume you're talking about the welfare received by farmers, defense contractors, and oil companies.

Obama phones, Food Stamps, Section 8 housing, welfare payments to individuals, earned income tax credit.

The amount of money spent on your list pales in comparison to the amount spent on the things in my list.

I see you are on-board with the latest Dem play - trying to gaslight everyone into thinking this is a bad economy.

If you are arguing that the world is going to hell in a handbasket, agreed; it always has been and always will be.

finehoe says

Booger says

This deficit issue is easily fixed by increasing tarrifs and reducing welfare benefits

I assume you're talking about the welfare received by farmers, defense contractors, and oil companies.

Yep them too.

finehoe says

The amount of money spent on your list pales in comparison to the amount spent on the things in my list.

I doubt it. I suspect that they are about the same.

Easy enough to check:

With all the global fires' smoke & particulates will we see a cooling effect?

Insufficient mass. Would need a Krakatoa type event for that, as even Mt St Hellen's did not even do that. You'll need to find another 'scuse for when the warming does not happen.

Resentment has all the best attributes of jealousy, inferiority, wanton violent intentions, self centeredness, anarchy, delusion and greed.

What's not to like?

NoCoupForYou says

Here's the chart 80% of American voters care about.

Some significant percentage (even Trump) knows that graph mostly indicates how long it's been since we had a recession. It has been a long one, but arguably not worth the $ 1trillion per year of new deficit spending. Recessions happen, which is why I seriously doubt Trump wants to be President for another term.

This is a surprising graph.




Probably not quite as bad as it looks becasue those boomers dropping out of the labor force have money and SS to spend in the economy.

Still very telling about the lies Trumplodites like to promote.

thomasdong1776 says

Two Years of Trump Tax Cuts: What did they get us?

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There was a period there in 2017 when the upward slope on this graph was the best it had been in many years, which the right wing media tried to spin as something very different than it was (downplaying certain words). There were even some otherwise smart folks on this forum that fell for it. We're only about halfway back (from recession lows, to 2006 levels).

thomasdong1776 says

Two Years of Trump Tax Cuts: What did they get us?

Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year Marcus:

https://www.adpemploymentreport.com/

Every indicator, including the rise in real wages for the least skilled workers, high consumer confidence, etc. illustrates that we are in a Boom for Workers.

So it mostly boils down to taxes and spending. I have one grand plan to fix both: A voter's vote is weighted by the amount of tax the paid in the preceding years. If you didn't pay net positive taxes then you don't get to vote at all. I think this would drastically bring down spending and taxes. People receiving government welfare would basically not be allowed to vote. People paying the highest taxes would also be the most likely ones to vote for massive tax cuts. Sounds like a win-win to me! The current situation of one vote for each moron means that people vote themselves benefits and vote to tax other people for those benefits.

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Happy New Year to you too, "NoCoup"


So you're just going to ignore my point which I know you understand and repeat the misleading stuff ?


marcus says

Some significant percentage (even Trump) knows that graph mostly indicates how long it's been since we had a recession. It has been a long one, but arguably not worth the $ 1trillion per year of new deficit spending. Recessions happen, which is why I seriously doubt Trump wants to be President for another term.

This is a surprising graph.

SunnyvaleCA says

Sounds like a win-win to me!

The right wing work around on this would be to push the percentage of taxes that go to SS and medicare (general health care eventually but that's another conversation) higher.

That way, someone making 60K would be paying no federal income taxes (technically), so no vote under your system, and yet as it works now, those big payroll taxes they pay go into the general fund and help make it possible for those big tax payers to somehow justify more tax cuts. This would lead to the same kind of bankruptcy we are rushing towards now.

But, if you were to use Gore's so called "lock box" for all taxes targeted towards social security and health care, i.e. accounting for those revenues separately, then I think your idea would make WAY WAY too much sense. That is unless they were allowed to raid the retirement and health care funds when the idiots drove the govt to bankruptcy.

Under our current way of accounting for SS and medicare, GWB was able to do huge tax cuts based on SS surpluses we were running at the time. "It's your money" What a crock of shit. They are such scumbags.

thomasdong1776 says

Yes, you can whine about Gearge Soros till your head caves in, but it's so obvious who the biggest scumbag destroyers of America are.

Did Gearge Soros make GWB or Trump do those tax cuts ? I don't think so.

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thomasdong1776 says

One day all that wealth at the top is either going to be confiscated by an evil communist regime, or it will disappear into the popping of various bubbles, and the gullible, ignorant and selfish right wingers of today will be to blame for it, for not making the necessary tweaks to capitalism that allow it to work.

Note: Theres' a very good reason why I say "right winger" rather than "conservative."

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marcus says

So you're just going to ignore my point which I know you understand and repeat the misleading stuff ?

Marcus, you're going to ignore the undisputed FACT that we have the lowest unemployment in 50 years. That we are reaching new stock market highs across the board, while inflation is low. That stores are projecting their highest Holiday revenue in history. Tens of thousands of manufacturing jobs have returned, and we're negotiating far better deals than were done under Neolib/cons who only cared how much lobbyist and speaker and book money they would get from the other Party after they concluded.

The sudden fascination with debt spending is a new one, unseen from Democrats 2008-2016.

The reason nobody buys the alleged Left Wing concern over deficit spending is that ALL of the major Dem Candidates have plans to spent trillions upon trillions in Medicare-for-All, or almost-Medicare-for-all, medicare for illegal immigrants, social security for illegal immigrants, etc.

Al Gore and GWB were 20 years ago.

OccasionalCortex says

Yeah, so? It's called 'eminent domain'. Look it up.

That is actually a yuuge issue in TX - landowners on border with Mexico resent this. Remind you that TX landowners sunk Trans American highway...government taking private land is not popular around here.

marcus says

Did Gearge Soros make GWB or Trump do those tax cuts ? I don't think so.

Looks like federal tax "revenue" is nothing but up after the Trump tax cuts, so I don't see the problem.

FY 2020 - $3.64 trillion, budgeted.
FY 2019 - $3.44 trillion, estimated.
FY 2018 - $3.33 trillion.
FY 2017 - $3.32 trillion.
FY 2016 - $3.27 trillion.
FY 2015 - $3.25 trillion.
FY 2014 - $3.02 trillion.
FY 2013 - $2.77 trillion.
FY 2012 - $2.45 trillion.
FY 2011 - $2.30 trillion.
FY 2010 - $2.16 trillion.
FY 2009 - $2.10 trillion.
FY 2008 - $2.52 trillion.
FY 2007 - $2.57 trillion.
FY 2006 - $2.4 trillion.
FY 2005 - $2.15 trillion.
FY 2004 - $1.88 trillion.
FY 2003 - $1.72 trillion.
FY 2002 - $1.85 trillion.
FY 2001 - $1.99 trillion.
https://www.thebalance.com/current-u-s-federal-government-tax-revenue-3305762

First REAL AMERICAN president that we have had since Regan....you go SIR! Please...we need you badly...sooooomuch evil in the world growing from weak politicians.

Yup.

He's a boss who makes the right calls and moves. He's willing to do controversial things that need to be done, which typically don't get done.

He shats all over the oppressive PC movement. He trolls crazy leftists because that's what a boss does to insignificant knats.

His stance and tactics against China are far more important than things other presidents have done in recent years. The potential impact to our country's long term welfare is large.

And he keeps giving us dead terrorist leader treats. Seeing all those citizens in both Iran and Irag cheering and celebrating the latest dead terrorist was a nice touch.

NoCoupForYou says

Marcus, you're going to ignore the undisputed FACT that we have the lowest unemployment in 50 year

No, I've repeatedly told you what it means, and even have posted Trump saying the same thing. It's not a bad thing, but it doesn't mean what you want it to mean. Yes, less people are elligible for unemployment benefits than any time in the last 50 years.

But you have nothing whatsoever to say about this (below) ?


marcus says

After you

marcus says

But you have nothing whatsoever to say about this (below) ?

Maybe more wives are staying home because their husbands are kicking ass at work. You cant discern a narrative from 1 chart. This goes double if you start w a narrative, then go look for ambiguous stats to prove it.

So... how about you tell us what you think this means?

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The graph is labor participation rate of Men 20 and over. No narrative required. Steady, just under 72% since 2013 or so.

Where as the unemployment graph shows the percentage of the population that qualifies for unemployment benefits.

You tell me, which is a more meaningful indicator of employment reality in the U.S ?

I do think boomers leaving the labor force probably affect this a little (making it look a little worse than it is). I don't know, perhaps that accounts for a lot of the 4% drop from where we were before 2007. And then since those retired people are receiving SS, or pensions, or living off of savings, it's not a negative on the economy.

marcus says

But you have nothing whatsoever to say about this (below) ?

Uh, what's 1946 plus 65?

Uh, how old are people born in 1950 this year? 1955?

What size is that generational cohort?

Thanks.

who is this money owed to? and what happens if it never gets paid back?

marcus says

The graph is labor participation rate of Men 20 and over. No narrative required. Steady, just under 72% since 2013 or so.

All men 20 and over? Yeah... if you think this chart is because orange man bad the TDS has won.

NCFY above tries to hint at the answer.

NoCoupForYou says

Uh, how old are people born in 1950 this year? 1955?

What size is that generational cohort?

All me 20 and above, smfh, people are retarded when it comes to statistics.

CBOEtrader says

NCFY above tries to hint at the answer.

You should read my comments.

He only came up with that after I said it multiple times. I said it first. Because it doesn't make sense that it's flat. And unlike you trolls I'm willing to look at things honestly.

Boomers retiring could be making a graph that would be up slightly, flat. Unlikely it can account for that much of the 4% we're down from 2006 though. Because as large as the boomer cohort is there are about as many entering the labor force as leaving. Millennials are actually greater in number than boomers.

Labor force just refers to jobs, not how good they are - so it doesn't explain that much.

CBOEtrader says

All me 20 and above, smfh, people are retarded when it comes to statistics.

Yeah sure , shake your head and say I'm stupid, to hide your inability to assemble a logical thought on the matter.

marcus says

Because it doesn't make sense that it's flat.

So you are saying Trump is doing a better than expected job?

Marcus start by making a statement. Then support that statement.

I dont think your chart suggests what you imply it suggests. You dont actually say what it suggests, cause that's how trolls troll.

Your method of ambiguous implicative communication forces others to infer your meaning. Then you act as if everyone is a retard for not reading your mind. Do you not want to discuss your "points"?

Do you have a core point to defend? Please state it

CBOEtrader says

Do you have a core point to defend? Please state it

I already did.

1) THe unemployment graph is great, but not nearly as great as Trump promoters want to make it. It represents the percentage of people that are eligible for unemployment benefits.

2) The percentage of Men age 20 and above that are employed has held steady the last 5 years or so at about 72%, which is 4% below where it was before the crash.

There you go. Instead of just presenting the graph, I read it for you.

Better ?