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Patrick says

Some parts of the economy should not come back, ever:

- closing American factories to open ones in China with weak pollution laws and no worker rights instead
- open borders so that US employers can undercut wages for US citizens by employing illegals instead
- global daily flights with no quarantine

Overall, the US economy seems likely to come roaring back as long as Trump is in office.

Trump's pre-virus economy was stunningly good, setting repeated records for three years.

Much agreed. Capitalism simply works, no way people will not reopen businesses to better their lives.

Fauci said: “millions of deaths” , “200,000 deaths” “100,000 deaths”
My favorite: “I don’t need to wear a mask.”

Not allowing flights into the USA would have saved more lives, but they gave Trump shit over it.

Masks as effective as social distancing in the Czech Republic.

Fauci like a lot of short people likes to be the center of attention.

Yes he was wrong, but he was wrong because the people who were supposed to inform him were wrong and lying about being able to deliver a test they didn’t have. The CDC fucked up royally. Finally Trump got tired of their incompetence and lies and turned the problem over to the private sector which developed a 15 minute test in a matter of weeks. That test is already available in most places.

Point is, don’t believe the lying media because they have an agenda. Trump can’t do this stuff himself. He relies on the agencies to do their part and when they don’t, can get really be blamed for their failure? The President might be amazing but he’s not a super techie bioscience dude who can whip up a PCR test for a new virus in a few days.

As late as March 8th, merely a week before the nation-wide lock-downs, Fauci was only recommending people with underlying conditions (especially elderly) not to get on to cruise ships, while not discouraging healthy young people from getting onto cruise ships.

At the end of January, when Trump decided to quarantine people who had in the previous 14 days traveled through China, the Democrats were calling him racist. Restricting carriers traveling from foreign hot-zones before infections become widespread in this country made sense; internal/domestic lock-down "social-distancing" makes no sense whatsoever: as locking down the society while not locking down the hospitals and nursing homes only give the most deadly mutations of the genetically unstable RNA virus an evolutionary advantage over the more benign mutations that don't send people into hospitals (where the virus would have more opportunity to spread than would be in a locked-down society). Not to mention, a lock-down has no Constitutional basis whatsoever: an eminent domain taking would require government to compensate the locked-down businesses and individuals at fair-market value for losses. They are using the fuzzy word "social-distancing" as a way to wiggle out of the Unconstitutional nature of those lock-down orders.

Ok so Leftists wanna peg this as the “Trump Virus” because somehow it’s his fault... somehow. Well that might be hard to prove but what is known is that chloroquine is now known as “Trump pills” so he’s the cure, bitches! Take your #Trumppills and live to sky scream another day!

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HEYYOU says

Dumb fucks are gonna learn today.
It's not capitalism when it can only survive with bailouts,massive debt & fiat currency printing
and when it is hit hard & $Trillions from thin air that is handed out to businesses & the unemployed.
Socialized Capitalism!

Dumb ducks are now sitting focusing on Trump day and night because left wing media gave them TDS.

Everyone else is figuring it out.

The dems really screwed the pooch on this one. Instead of screaming racism and xenophobia, they should have just said "too little too late" and they could have marched to the victory line. You can't rewrite history now. Trump was late on his prudent decisions, and the dems would have delayed those decisions further if they got their way.

Shaman says

Point is, don’t believe the lying media because they have an agenda. Trump can’t do this stuff himself. He relies on the agencies to do their part and when they don’t, can get really be blamed for their failure? The President might be amazing but he’s not a super techie bioscience dude who can whip up a PCR test for a new virus in a few days.

That's why Leftists defend the Deep State, they love the unelected bureaucratic resistance to the Executive.

I think the thing that is overlooked in this whole discussion is how badly China screwed the whole world over. They lied about the death rates, human to human transmission, origin of the virus. Even allowing US researchers in to study was cut off. And then as an extra fuck you, they bought up the worlds supply of ppe.

So then this thing comes roaring out of Asia, hits Italy and the world has a shit their pants moment. Understandably, a lot of countries took very aggressive measures because we had 0 info we could rely on from China.

Now that we’ve dealt with it longer, we see there are better alternatives to dealing with this situation because this lockdown cannot continue past April.

We know that with testing, reasonable social distancing measures, ppe for medical personal, isolation of vulnerable population, and maybe a few Trump Pills, this virus can be controlled. It’s not even a debate, many countries have done it at this point.

Unfortunately, once Trump makes this call, all we’re going to see from that day until November is a running tally of every person that has died of corona laid at Trumps feet. It’s dumb and partisan and unfortunately, the reality of the Shit Sandwich we need to eat right now is to nuanced to explain to scared soccer moms.

Social distancing is not designed to save lives. It is designed so that hospitals do not get overrun. This is a global pandemic. Absent a vaccine, which is unlikely to ever be developed, this virus will continue until most people have had it and either lived or died. So the only question we should be asking ourselves about policy decisions we are considering is if hospitals will be overwhelmed if we don’t limit some activity. Outside of canceling concerts, theme parks, and cruises, I don’t see why we can’t all go back to work after taking some reasonable precautions like wearing a mask.

Who gives a shit. All you need is to test a well distributed small fraction of the population to find out many already caught it and developed immunity which drops the lethality to that of influenza and the you can reopen the country like Denmark is doing.

ThreeBays says

*Trumpists* are mad that Fauci tells the truth.

ThreeBays says

Really I don't think this should be politicized. It's easy to say with hindsight that earlier would have been better, and another thing to make decisions with limited data.

OP and comment 1. Unedited. I have no interest in looking up your previous history here, as I do think you're a long timer. But it's pretty clear you're trolling on this topic now. You contradict yourself before you've even let anyone else comment. What was the point of the post and the above comment?

You make all previous comments basically null in my mind by posting this. You've attempted, with little to no success, to show that this virus is some awful thing. It's not and won't be besides the economic hit we're going to take.

This is what is dangerous and what people should be trying to prevent: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/nursing-homes-deaths-soar-past-2600-in-alarming-surge

Instead we shut everyone down that can handle the flu, even if it's an extreme version for people that are actually symptomatic. There's no disputing this. 70-80% of the entire population is more likely to die from dozens of other things versus Covid at an exponential level.

Again, not one logical argument has been brought forward as to why we just don't shut down the old and weak and stop visiting them instead of what's going on now.

jazz_music says

This virus makes Trump’s ass look fat.

Top notch comment. Kudos.

www.youtube.com/embed/LQCU36pkH7c

WookieMan says

flag

I'll let another moderator take care of this. I'm not certain what in my comment was personal or should have been flagged. At some point the poster of a topic is the topic when they blatantly contradict themselves. Note I have not addressed a user in this comment.

ThreeBays says

WookieMan says

I hope you're posting this in jest? While it is funny admittedly, if this virus is the real deal, this has nothing to do with politics. You may not be doing this, but not sure why people are trying to politicize this when it's sooooooooo "serious" and deadly. Makes one wonder....

That's a nasty question. You're very nasty. I've always said this was a giant hoax, that we should take very seriously.

No one flag this comment (unlike the other one that got flagged of mine for no reason). I want it to just sit here. The hypocrisy is astounding. I love it.

Looks like Fauci might be getting fired. We're all about to die. Dear God.... our fearless, dry mouth scientist won't be able to lead us anymore.
https://apple.news/AMjJR0IA-RlmdFppept5uPw

mell says

Who gives a shit. All you need is to test a well distributed small fraction of the population to find out many already caught it and developed immunity which drops the lethality to that of influenza and the you can reopen the country like Denmark is doing.

Stop being logical and using your brain. We have 114,000 dead worldwide right now of which 100k would have likely died in that same time span.... But hey, shut the world down.

Where are the Patrick Henrys? where are the FDRs? Who will stand up open their doors and businesses and put this Chinese virus and those exploiting it to promote fear and fascism behind us?

marcus says

Did his IQ just jump up to average or so ? What did he do ? He must have some new handlers, making sure he gets his B-12 and enough sleep, or something. Because he really was not sounding like his usual self.

I don’t understand what public speaking has to do with intelligence level.

Please explain.

I think he is the guy that needs to rewrite Public Speaking. All he has to do is say a few words, and every crooked, fraudulent guilty cock sucker in the world pipes in and starts admitting every crime they broke. While they break 10 more trying to collude with foreign countries to take him down.

Only a Chinese shill could get things so terribly wrong while thinking he’s being clever.
First, evangelicals never have and never would embrace ANY president as a messiah. It’s against the Christian faith to do so.
Second, God didn’t send this plague.
CHINA created it!
www.youtube.com/embed/3bXWGxhd7ic

It's hardly a plague, more of a boomer-remover. Fail.

mell says

more of a boomer-remover

And in the same vein, you'd think this virus would be a bonus to population hysterics, nature's way of culling the weakest from the over-populated world as they view it.

God didn’t send plague. Shithole China did because dumb fucks still eat flying rodents. Shithole country.

NDrLoR says

mell says

more of a boomer-remover

And in the same vein, you'd think this virus would be a bonus to population hysterics, nature's way of culling the weakest from the over-populated world as they view it.

You mean the global warming crowd? As we've seen from stuff posted here and elsewhere, if you're a global warming nut, you should be cheering like you team just won the fucking super bowl. Cleaner air with all those heat maps of CO2 you've been seeing posted everywhere. \

We've added at least 5-10 years from what that bimbo in NYC said (AOC). #ThanksCornaWeAllDieLaterNow

lets be honest man, entire world is "racist" if you apply modern American view of it. Could be a fun discussion, I tried talking to my liberal friends about it, it's a mind blowing experiment where they want to be ok with other nations, but than not ok with them because every nation is racist. It's total mind fuck for them.

I’m betting against the IMF with my money.

WookieMan says

mell says

Who gives a shit. All you need is to test a well distributed small fraction of the population to find out many already caught it and developed immunity which drops the lethality to that of influenza and the you can reopen the country like Denmark is doing.

Stop being logical and using your brain. We have 114,000 dead worldwide right now of which 100k would have likely died in that same time span.... But hey, shut the world down.

It's so fucked up. There are actually many people who'd like to see their doctor or do a procedure or test unrelated to CV-19, they pay their insurance dues every paycheck and are being told to wait at many major providers, I mean WTF. You should have the right to stop paying for services that are taken away from you temporarily. The whole world stands still because of of an illness that has so far caused 1/4 deaths that the 2017/2018 flu did.

I gotta admit, I really like seeing news stories like this, where one minority is racist towards another.

Not that I think people being treated badly due to racism is a good thing, but in the USA and other places, they often try to unite all minorities against whites, painting this picture that racism always flows in the direction from white to minority. Racism from minority to minority is ignored, never amplified. And racism from minority to white is said to be impossible. They actually legitimize it, saying - "its not possible to be racist against whites, because they hold all the power".

So, it's satisfying to see high profile news articles which throw a wrench in the gears of their liar narrative.

Lol, if Trump keeps economy closed, disaster and ORANGE MAN BAD.

If Trump opens economy, disaster and ORANGE MAN BAD.

Reasonable people might conclude that the press and Democrats are a function independent of reality, outputting only ORANGE MAN BAD for all possible inputs.

function pressAndDemocrats(input) {
  // ignore input
  return ORANGE_MAN_BAD;
}

NDrLoR says

mell says

more of a boomer-remover

And in the same vein, you'd think this virus would be a bonus to population hysterics, nature's way of culling the weakest from the over-populated world as they view it.

I've been noticing how much nicer the silicon valley is lately. Quieter, less dusty, much more pleasant to drive the roads, etc.

These are the same people who started the toilet paper hoarding, mostly because 40% of theirs come from China.

Austrians are much smarter:
https://www.patrick.net/post/1331415/2020-04-13-austria-set-to-relax-coronavirus-lockdown-measures

So,
you think Trump is dumb and the Chinese cold is smart?

And Biden's a member of Mensa.

Who you voting for?

When Biden is elected, he'll stand up to Coronavirus like he stood up to Cornpop.

We all should just count our blessings, that it didn't come out of Russia, or the Libeals would be claiming Trump colluded with Russia to create it.
Rather than the truth The Obama Mafia colluded with Gates , NIH and China to create it.

Ummm, I listened to the embedded video on https://www.yahoo.com/news/in-coronavirus-the-stable-genius-confronts-a-brilliant-enemy-180559996.html . He talks about COVID-19 but nowhere does he talk about antibiotics. Did I miss something?

Over at this site: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-antibiotics-coronavirus-white-house-briefing-brilliant-enemy-genius-idiot-a9460636.html
I see him talking about antibiotics, but it's a concise snippet that doesn't reference the coronavirus.

This looks like taking two different topics and commingling them to produce a misleading conclusion. Standard fake-news smear.

Is that a bottle of hand sanitizer in your pocket or are you glad to be six feet from me.

SunnyvaleCA says

This looks like taking two different topics and commingling them to produce a misleading conclusion. Stanford fake-news smear.

Exactly. Not much of a difference anyway. Whether we have an antibiotic for a bacteria or vaccine for a virus, it really doesn't matter. We don't have anything right now to combat CV-19. His point is the same even if he did say this. He's not a fucking doctor anyway. Some people don't know how to put a spare tire on their car when they get a flat. Doesn't mean they're not intelligent.

WookieMan says

SunnyvaleCA says

This looks like taking two different topics and commingling them to produce a misleading conclusion. Stanford fake-news smear.

Exactly. Not much of a difference anyway. Whether we have an antibiotic for a bacteria or vaccine for a virus, it really doesn't matter. We don't have anything right now to combat CV-19. His point is the same even if he did say this. He's not a fucking doctor anyway. Some people don't know how to put a spare tire on their car when they get a flat. Doesn't mean they're not intelligent.

But as far as we know, Trump knows full well the difference between bacteria and virus. It's just that the fake-news is putting things together out of context and claiming he doesn't know the difference. This is fake-news making up fake news to smear the president.