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annoyed1
2020 Apr 17, 8:03am
WookieMan says
The number of people who will die from the virus is heavily dependent on how we respond to the situation. If stay-at-home orders are kept in place, far fewer people will die.
Already the virus has kllled 29,000 Americans. 3000 died in the 9/11 attacks. So this pandemic has already killed almost 10 times as many Americans. Would you say, "well the terrorists are going to kill who they are going to kills, so let's just get this over and move one?" Maybe you should just envision the covid virus as tiny Jihadists attacking America. Would that get you to take this pandemic seriously?
You still don't get it. This virus is going to kill who it's going to kill. We can't hide from it forever. No hospitals, in the US at least, are overwhelmed. Let's just get this over with and move on.
The number of people who will die from the virus is heavily dependent on how we respond to the situation. If stay-at-home orders are kept in place, far fewer people will die.
Already the virus has kllled 29,000 Americans. 3000 died in the 9/11 attacks. So this pandemic has already killed almost 10 times as many Americans. Would you say, "well the terrorists are going to kill who they are going to kills, so let's just get this over and move one?" Maybe you should just envision the covid virus as tiny Jihadists attacking America. Would that get you to take this pandemic seriously?
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mell
2020 Apr 17, 8:11am
FuckTheMainstreamMedia says
Fuck this was true from the day we were born! The injustice!!
Arrrtggghggg!!!!
We all gonna die!!!!!
Fuck this was true from the day we were born! The injustice!!
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WookieMan
2020 Apr 17, 8:15am
WookieMan
2020 Apr 17, 8:15am
annoyed1 says
Actually no. Islam is a dumb religion, as they all are, but 9/11 was a nothing burger in the history of the world if you look at it on a per capita basis. It was a big deal because of the optics of it. The number of deaths look big for kung flu, but statistically this is still a nothing burger. By a long shot.
You're comparing one off events to something that happens every year called the flu. We already have 10's of thousands dying every year from the flu. You're comparing apples to testicles. This virus is gonna kill who it's gonna kill, with or without a vaccine. Apparently in some people's world we don't have flu deaths anymore.
There's no proof that we're preventing more deaths than we are creating through the response. Bat flu is winning in my sphere, but 1 suicide to 2 deaths from Wuhan sickness. Give it the rest of the month and you're going to see suicides and OD's spike bigly. But hey, they deserve to die too, even though the people that die from Covid still will with all this nonsense. Good choice. Let's just double it up instead of letting those that are close to death, just fucking die???
Already the virus has kllled 29,000 Americans. 3000 died in the 9/11 attacks. So this pandemic has already killed almost 10 times as many Americans. Would you say, "well the terrorists are going to kill who they are going to kills, so let's just get this over and move one?" Maybe you should just envision the covid virus as tiny Jihadists attacking America. Would that get you to take this pandemic seriously?
Actually no. Islam is a dumb religion, as they all are, but 9/11 was a nothing burger in the history of the world if you look at it on a per capita basis. It was a big deal because of the optics of it. The number of deaths look big for kung flu, but statistically this is still a nothing burger. By a long shot.
You're comparing one off events to something that happens every year called the flu. We already have 10's of thousands dying every year from the flu. You're comparing apples to testicles. This virus is gonna kill who it's gonna kill, with or without a vaccine. Apparently in some people's world we don't have flu deaths anymore.
There's no proof that we're preventing more deaths than we are creating through the response. Bat flu is winning in my sphere, but 1 suicide to 2 deaths from Wuhan sickness. Give it the rest of the month and you're going to see suicides and OD's spike bigly. But hey, they deserve to die too, even though the people that die from Covid still will with all this nonsense. Good choice. Let's just double it up instead of letting those that are close to death, just fucking die???
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annoyed1
2020 Apr 17, 8:15am
ThreeBays says
Eventually the pandemic will run its course, but we have to change behavior to mitigate the damage. I don't think lifting the stay-at-home orders is a good thing. We don't have enough testing and we don't have a vaccine yet. Even when we do get a vaccine, dumb ass anti-vaccinators may not take it.
The borders should have been closed in every country as soon as the pandemic was detected. People returning to their home countries should have been kept in quarantine for two weeks. If we did this, covid would have only infected a few countries and humanitarian aid could have greatly mitigated the death toll and economic consequences. Unfortunately, we value money too much over safety and the well being of our fellow man. Greed is an epidemic's best friend.
Hopefully, this world will learn from this tragedy and take steps to prepare for the next pandemic. And yes, there will be a next one and eventually there will be one far bigger and more dangerous than covid. Unfortunately, our species is terrible at dealing with problems that are incredibly important but not urgent like
- pandemics before they happen
- drug resistant microbes
- climate change
- the threat of nuclear war
- asteroid impact
We should be dealing with all these existential threats now before it's too late.
- Fund anti-pandemic organizations
- Have enough capacity for the worst case scenario, not the most common one
- Don't oversubscribe anti-biotics
- Reduce pollution
- Slowly and steadily remove nuclear weapons and make their possession illegal for all countries with mandatory inspections
- Map out all large asteroids and come up with a plan to divert them. Test the plan by altering the course of an asteroid.
Our government has failed to do any of these things except for some nuclear arms reduction.
Coronavirus: Can it even be stopped?
Eventually the pandemic will run its course, but we have to change behavior to mitigate the damage. I don't think lifting the stay-at-home orders is a good thing. We don't have enough testing and we don't have a vaccine yet. Even when we do get a vaccine, dumb ass anti-vaccinators may not take it.
The borders should have been closed in every country as soon as the pandemic was detected. People returning to their home countries should have been kept in quarantine for two weeks. If we did this, covid would have only infected a few countries and humanitarian aid could have greatly mitigated the death toll and economic consequences. Unfortunately, we value money too much over safety and the well being of our fellow man. Greed is an epidemic's best friend.
Hopefully, this world will learn from this tragedy and take steps to prepare for the next pandemic. And yes, there will be a next one and eventually there will be one far bigger and more dangerous than covid. Unfortunately, our species is terrible at dealing with problems that are incredibly important but not urgent like
- pandemics before they happen
- drug resistant microbes
- climate change
- the threat of nuclear war
- asteroid impact
We should be dealing with all these existential threats now before it's too late.
- Fund anti-pandemic organizations
- Have enough capacity for the worst case scenario, not the most common one
- Don't oversubscribe anti-biotics
- Reduce pollution
- Slowly and steadily remove nuclear weapons and make their possession illegal for all countries with mandatory inspections
- Map out all large asteroids and come up with a plan to divert them. Test the plan by altering the course of an asteroid.
Our government has failed to do any of these things except for some nuclear arms reduction.
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mell
2020 Apr 17, 8:20am
annoyed1 says
That's a mostly invalid comparison because every year several hundred thousand people in the US, mostly elderly and some weak die of natural causes, which includes colds, flus, pneumoniae and various CVs. The death due to terrorism is close to zero. So a 3000 fold increase on 911 would equate to a plague that killed hundreds of millions of people in the US.
WookieMan saysYou still don't get it. This virus is going to kill who it's going to kill. We can't hide from it forever. No hospitals, in the US at least, are overwhelmed. Let's just get this over with and move on.
The number of people who will die from the virus is heavily dependent on how we respond to the situation. If stay-at-home orders are kept in place, far fewer people will die.
Already the virus has kllled 29,000 Americans. 3000 died in the 9/11 attacks. So this pandemic has already killed almost 10 times as many Americans. Would you say, "well the terrorists are going to kill who they are going to kills, so let's just get this over and move one?" Maybe you should just envision the covid virus as tiny Jihadists attacking America. Would that get you to take this pandemic seriously?
That's a mostly invalid comparison because every year several hundred thousand people in the US, mostly elderly and some weak die of natural causes, which includes colds, flus, pneumoniae and various CVs. The death due to terrorism is close to zero. So a 3000 fold increase on 911 would equate to a plague that killed hundreds of millions of people in the US.
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annoyed1
2020 Apr 17, 8:22am
WookieMan says
And yet we changed how we lived our lives greatly before it. An entire draconian act, the USA Patriot Act, was passed because of it. So taking some common sense measures to stop pandemics which are a far greater threat than terrorism ever could be, is quite reasonable.
WookieMan says
There have been numerous discrediting of the notion that covid is a lesser threat than the flu. If it wasn't for social distancing and stay at home orders, covid would kill far more than the flu.
Furthermore, pandemics have to be taken seriously. In war you prepare for the worse case scenario, not the best one. You have to treat all epidemics as possible Black Deaths because you don't know which one will become that. People have such short memories. Just because there wasn't a pandemic in their lifetime, they don't take the threat seriously. They ignore history.
9/11 was a nothing burger in the history of the world if you look at it on a per capita basis. It was a big deal because of the optics of it.
And yet we changed how we lived our lives greatly before it. An entire draconian act, the USA Patriot Act, was passed because of it. So taking some common sense measures to stop pandemics which are a far greater threat than terrorism ever could be, is quite reasonable.
WookieMan says
You're comparing one off events to something that happens every year called the flu.
There have been numerous discrediting of the notion that covid is a lesser threat than the flu. If it wasn't for social distancing and stay at home orders, covid would kill far more than the flu.
Furthermore, pandemics have to be taken seriously. In war you prepare for the worse case scenario, not the best one. You have to treat all epidemics as possible Black Deaths because you don't know which one will become that. People have such short memories. Just because there wasn't a pandemic in their lifetime, they don't take the threat seriously. They ignore history.
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Shaman
2020 Apr 17, 8:28am
Shaman
2020 Apr 17, 8:28am
annoyed1 says
This is true. The CDC numbers of infected/dead indicate a 4% mortality rate in the USA. That’s on par with the Spanish Flu.
There have been numerous discrediting of the notion that covid is a lesser threat than the flu. If it wasn't for social distancing and stay at home orders, covid would kill far more than the flu.
This is true. The CDC numbers of infected/dead indicate a 4% mortality rate in the USA. That’s on par with the Spanish Flu.
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WookieMan
2020 Apr 17, 8:40am
WookieMan
2020 Apr 17, 8:40am
Shaman says
Sorry, we don't have remotely the slightest clue how many people are or have been infected. The death rate is a complete guessing game because of that. Even with the current data, there's not a chance with modern medicine that this will get close to the Spanish flu. We'd need 5M dead by now at minimum. Per capita, compared to other outbreaks this really is the flu.
We're overall going to end up with less deaths during this period because there will be less car accidents, less work injuries, etc. That's all social distancing is doing. It's not stopping an airborne virus. Has anyone not been outside or to the store? No one is listening to the "orders" besides the big event people/businesses and restaurants. Grocery store and gas stations have been packed every time I've been out.
It's a little scary how quickly people can be manipulated. And even if it's not manipulation, the fear of death apparently is stronger than I thought. The end is the same for everyone, not sure how you're going to change that. People die from changing a lightbulb on a ladder. Do we just get rid of lights and ladders?
annoyed1 saysThere have been numerous discrediting of the notion that covid is a lesser threat than the flu. If it wasn't for social distancing and stay at home orders, covid would kill far more than the flu.
This is true. The CDC numbers of infected/dead indicate a 4% mortality rate in the USA. That’s on par with the Spanish Flu.
Sorry, we don't have remotely the slightest clue how many people are or have been infected. The death rate is a complete guessing game because of that. Even with the current data, there's not a chance with modern medicine that this will get close to the Spanish flu. We'd need 5M dead by now at minimum. Per capita, compared to other outbreaks this really is the flu.
We're overall going to end up with less deaths during this period because there will be less car accidents, less work injuries, etc. That's all social distancing is doing. It's not stopping an airborne virus. Has anyone not been outside or to the store? No one is listening to the "orders" besides the big event people/businesses and restaurants. Grocery store and gas stations have been packed every time I've been out.
It's a little scary how quickly people can be manipulated. And even if it's not manipulation, the fear of death apparently is stronger than I thought. The end is the same for everyone, not sure how you're going to change that. People die from changing a lightbulb on a ladder. Do we just get rid of lights and ladders?
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mell
2020 Apr 17, 8:43am
WookieMan says
The death rate is around 0.5%, given 20% have been infected easily, on par with a serious flu season.
Shaman saysannoyed1 saysThere have been numerous discrediting of the notion that covid is a lesser threat than the flu. If it wasn't for social distancing and stay at home orders, covid would kill far more than the flu.
This is true. The CDC numbers of infected/dead indicate a 4% mortality rate in the USA. That’s on par with the Spanish Flu.
Sorry, we don't have remotely the slightest clue how many people are or have been infected. The death rate is a complete guessing game because of that. Even with the current data, there's not a chance with modern medicine that this will get close to the Spanish flu. We'd need 5M dead by now at minimum. Per capita, compared to other outbreaks this really is the flu.
We're overall going to end up with less deaths during this period because there will be less ...
The death rate is around 0.5%, given 20% have been infected easily, on par with a serious flu season.
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Patrick
2020 Apr 17, 8:47am
Patrick
2020 Apr 17, 8:47am
Shaman says
That's clearly wrong.
The virus kills on the order of 0.4% when you include all of the people who have been infected, per studies in Iceland and Germany. Maybe less.
The 4% is for people who are sick enough to seek medical treatment, which is a minority, about 10% of those infected.
4% x 10% = 0.4%
The CDC numbers of infected/dead indicate a 4% mortality rate in the USA.
That's clearly wrong.
The virus kills on the order of 0.4% when you include all of the people who have been infected, per studies in Iceland and Germany. Maybe less.
The 4% is for people who are sick enough to seek medical treatment, which is a minority, about 10% of those infected.
4% x 10% = 0.4%
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FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden
2020 Apr 17, 9:04am
Some say underreported.
Others say overreported.
Some scream sky is falling
Others are saying stop quarantine.
At this point it’s all waste of time to talk, just have to get through this.
Others say overreported.
Some scream sky is falling
Others are saying stop quarantine.
At this point it’s all waste of time to talk, just have to get through this.
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FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden
2020 Apr 17, 9:36am
Tenpoundbass says
I’m guessing people worried about stepping outside to talk to a person who is delivering? It’s hard to tell what this one is about.
zzyzzx says
What am I missing? I don't get it.
I’m guessing people worried about stepping outside to talk to a person who is delivering? It’s hard to tell what this one is about.
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fdhfoiehfeoi
2020 Apr 17, 10:03am
fdhfoiehfeoi
2020 Apr 17, 10:03am
Tim Aurora says
You mean the test that was never clinically validated due to panic?
Wait till we get the vaccine that's rushed due to same. Polio vax round two anyone?
It points to one main thing, We need more Testing
You mean the test that was never clinically validated due to panic?
Wait till we get the vaccine that's rushed due to same. Polio vax round two anyone?
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Onvacation
2020 Apr 17, 10:18am
Onvacation
2020 Apr 17, 10:18am
annoyed1 says
So you think the "pandemic" is another plot, like 911 and the patriot act, to further limit our freedoms?
They did say 911 was a new "Pearl Harbor", and last week was the "Pearl Harbor" week of the pandemic so I see where you're coming from.
At least the alarmists have left global warming climate change alone for a while.
And yet we changed how we lived our lives greatly before it. An entire draconian act, the USA Patriot Act, was passed because of it. So taking some common sense measures to stop pandemics which are a far greater threat than terrorism ever could be, is quite reasonable.
So you think the "pandemic" is another plot, like 911 and the patriot act, to further limit our freedoms?
They did say 911 was a new "Pearl Harbor", and last week was the "Pearl Harbor" week of the pandemic so I see where you're coming from.
At least the alarmists have left
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annoyed1
2020 Apr 17, 10:24am
0.4% is still over a million Americans. How high does the death rate has to be before closing movie theaters and bars are warranted?
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WookieMan
2020 Apr 17, 10:30am
WookieMan
2020 Apr 17, 10:30am
annoyed1 says
Never honestly. They should be open now. This isn't some Hollywood virus that is killing everybody. We know who it's killing, they're just too fucking stubborn and are the policy makers in this country. Huge pussies. So hey, let's fuck everyone else over AND get free money they'll never have to pay back. Boomers are a fucking virus. Open up and let them all fucking die...
0.4% is still over a million Americans. How high does the death rate has to be before closing movie theaters and bars are warranted?
Never honestly. They should be open now. This isn't some Hollywood virus that is killing everybody. We know who it's killing, they're just too fucking stubborn and are the policy makers in this country. Huge pussies. So hey, let's fuck everyone else over AND get free money they'll never have to pay back. Boomers are a fucking virus. Open up and let them all fucking die...
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Hircus
2020 Apr 17, 11:39am
Hircus
2020 Apr 17, 11:39am
Lies. Fake news. You post a tweet + article from 2018 to back your statement.
But, now in 2020, Kanye just stated he intends to vote for Trump.
So no, he didn't ditch Trump. He's very much still on Team Trump.
But, now in 2020, Kanye just stated he intends to vote for Trump.
So no, he didn't ditch Trump. He's very much still on Team Trump.
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Hircus
2020 Apr 17, 11:59am
Hircus
2020 Apr 17, 11:59am
This video, and also it's promotion is a good example of why fake news is so prevalent.
Some people don't consider that a 1.2 second video clip might be missing some context, making it's words and message completely different. They also don't believe their favorite news station would cut clips in a dishonest way - they "trust" that the 1.2 seconds is reflective of the true meaning.
But both of those assumptions are very wrong. Fake news spreads quickly due to this.
Some people don't consider that a 1.2 second video clip might be missing some context, making it's words and message completely different. They also don't believe their favorite news station would cut clips in a dishonest way - they "trust" that the 1.2 seconds is reflective of the true meaning.
But both of those assumptions are very wrong. Fake news spreads quickly due to this.
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socal2
2020 Apr 17, 12:08pm
This thread from Dan Crenshaw sets fire to the dumb arguments by Progs who are trying to re-write history and divide our nation with stupid videos like this.
A couple samples:
"On March 3rd, the day after you claim Trump should have shut our economy down, this is how the WHO downplayed the virus:
“COVID-19 spreads less efficiently than flu, transmission does not appear to be driven by people who are not sick”
https://www.who.int/dg/speeches/detail/who-director-general-s-opening-remarks-at-the-media-briefing-on-covid-19---3-march-2020 …
Would the America public really have accepted millions of jobs destroyed for a virus that had infected just 102 people by March 2? Especially considering Italy would not lock down until March 10th, Spain on March 14th, and the UK on March 23?"
https://threader.app/thread/1250924071237439489
A couple samples:
"On March 3rd, the day after you claim Trump should have shut our economy down, this is how the WHO downplayed the virus:
“COVID-19 spreads less efficiently than flu, transmission does not appear to be driven by people who are not sick”
https://www.who.int/dg/speeches/detail/who-director-general-s-opening-remarks-at-the-media-briefing-on-covid-19---3-march-2020 …
Would the America public really have accepted millions of jobs destroyed for a virus that had infected just 102 people by March 2? Especially considering Italy would not lock down until March 10th, Spain on March 14th, and the UK on March 23?"
https://threader.app/thread/1250924071237439489
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FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2020 Apr 17, 12:26pm
FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2020 Apr 17, 12:26pm
Can you do anything other than link propaganda pieces by leftist sources?
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Ceffer
2020 Apr 17, 12:30pm
Ceffer
2020 Apr 17, 12:30pm
Agitprop Marching Orders: Not only is your mission to promulgate fake and deliberately misleading information approved by the Politburo, you are free to embellish it with any false and misleading information of your own which furthers the agendas of deception.
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Bd6r
2020 Apr 17, 12:41pm
Bd6r
2020 Apr 17, 12:41pm
I think Orange Man Bad is sinking to even greater low of using whitehouse.org to poison minds of NPC's!!!
https://whitehouse.org/
www.youtube.com/embed/oAkWp7SasJ0&feature=emb_title
This is one of very few good trolls of Trump I have seen out there...
https://whitehouse.org/
www.youtube.com/embed/oAkWp7SasJ0&feature=emb_title
This is one of very few good trolls of Trump I have seen out there...
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WookieMan
2020 Apr 17, 12:49pm
WookieMan
2020 Apr 17, 12:49pm
Why does anyone give a flying fuck about Kanye West? Never thought I'd see the day on patnet where this is a going concern. Or am I mental or something???
110034
RWSGFY
2020 Apr 17, 12:50pm
RWSGFY
2020 Apr 17, 12:50pm
"Everything I know about Kardashians I've learned against my will"
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Shaman
2020 Apr 17, 12:51pm
Shaman
2020 Apr 17, 12:51pm
Jazz posting old news again as if it was somehow new.
Breaking! Greeks assault Trojan walls! Ajax thunders while Helen weeps! More at 10!
Breaking! Greeks assault Trojan walls! Ajax thunders while Helen weeps! More at 10!
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Shaman
2020 Apr 17, 12:56pm
Shaman
2020 Apr 17, 12:56pm
There’s plenty of shame here, both for the makers of that dishonest video and the poster who tossed it here like a dirty banana peel on a garbage lid.
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WookieMan
2020 Apr 17, 1:04pm
WookieMan
2020 Apr 17, 1:04pm
Maybe start one thread and post all of this in there. You just did like 3-4 bitching about Trump because of an airborne virus. Not sure how people let one man influence their life so much. Grow a pair.
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mell
2020 Apr 17, 1:19pm
WookieMan says
Boomers are asshoe!
annoyed1 says0.4% is still over a million Americans. How high does the death rate has to be before closing movie theaters and bars are warranted?
Never honestly. They should be open now. This isn't some Hollywood virus that is killing everybody. We know who it's killing, they're just too fucking stubborn and are the policy makers in this country. Huge pussies. So hey, let's fuck everyone else over AND get free money they'll never have to pay back. Boomers are a fucking virus. Open up and let them all fucking die...
Boomers are asshoe!
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EBGuy
2020 Apr 17, 1:35pm
WookieMan says
Jonathan Pageau, who is friends with Jordan Peterson, gives an interesting symbolic interpretation here. Obviously, YMMV...
www.youtube.com/embed/b1LjF9FnM5g
Why does anyone give a flying fuck about Kanye West?
Jonathan Pageau, who is friends with Jordan Peterson, gives an interesting symbolic interpretation here. Obviously, YMMV...
www.youtube.com/embed/b1LjF9FnM5g
110042
Y
2020 Apr 17, 1:37pm
Y
2020 Apr 17, 1:37pm
The things that chart shows me is
1- everybody is flattening the curve, but not reducing the curve, except china which has dropped to nothing either because
1a. They are lying about their stats
1b. It was a biological attack against the world, and they have the antidote baked into their food supply.
Time for some Kung Fu Chew??
Patrick says
1- everybody is flattening the curve, but not reducing the curve, except china which has dropped to nothing either because
1a. They are lying about their stats
1b. It was a biological attack against the world, and they have the antidote baked into their food supply.
Time for some Kung Fu Chew??
Patrick says
ThreeBays saysThere's not going to be a quick return to normal.
Prediction: There will indeed be a quick return to normal, except, hopefully, for some valuable lessons learned about why we should not continue to outsource to China.
Why the quick return to normal? Because pretty much every country on earth is on the same curve, showing this thing lasts about 90 days even with varying responses among countries:
More predictions:
- Democrats will blame Trump for not doing enough
- Democrats will blame Trump for doing too much
- Democrats will attempt to continue to outsource factories to China and insource illegals from Mexico, and scream !RACIST! at anyone who objects
- voters will get serious about objecting to the devastation of the US working class, and Democrats will lose not only this...
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marcus
2020 Apr 17, 1:48pm
marcus
2020 Apr 17, 1:48pm
:
"B-b-b-b-but the borders. Don't you see, Great Leader get's it. Before he was elected the southern US border was wide open. Obama was constantly trying to see how many illegal aliens (new democrat voters) he could get in to the country as fast as possible. All those stories about the build up of border security under Obama, and the deportation of Mexicans that committed crimes during OBama admin, and the actual decrease of illegal immigrants in the country over that time period, is all liberal propaganda."
"Only great leader an keep America great now that he has totally succeeded in bringing us back to our glory days."
"B-b-b-b-but the borders. Don't you see, Great Leader get's it. Before he was elected the southern US border was wide open. Obama was constantly trying to see how many illegal aliens (new democrat voters) he could get in to the country as fast as possible. All those stories about the build up of border security under Obama, and the deportation of Mexicans that committed crimes during OBama admin, and the actual decrease of illegal immigrants in the country over that time period, is all liberal propaganda."
"Only great leader an keep America great now that he has totally succeeded in bringing us back to our glory days."
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