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annoyed1 says

WookieMan says

You still don't get it. This virus is going to kill who it's going to kill. We can't hide from it forever. No hospitals, in the US at least, are overwhelmed. Let's just get this over with and move on.

The number of people who will die from the virus is heavily dependent on how we respond to the situation. If stay-at-home orders are kept in place, far fewer people will die.

Already the virus has kllled 29,000 Americans. 3000 died in the 9/11 attacks. So this pandemic has already killed almost 10 times as many Americans. Would you say, "well the terrorists are going to kill who they are going to kills, so let's just get this over and move one?" Maybe you should just envision the covid virus as tiny Jihadists attacking America. Would that get you to take this pandemic seriously?

That's a mostly invalid comparison because every year several hundred thousand people in the US, mostly elderly and some weak die of natural causes, which includes colds, flus, pneumoniae and various CVs. The death due to terrorism is close to zero. So a 3000 fold increase on 911 would equate to a plague that killed hundreds of millions of people in the US.

WookieMan says

9/11 was a nothing burger in the history of the world if you look at it on a per capita basis. It was a big deal because of the optics of it.

And yet we changed how we lived our lives greatly before it. An entire draconian act, the USA Patriot Act, was passed because of it. So taking some common sense measures to stop pandemics which are a far greater threat than terrorism ever could be, is quite reasonable.

WookieMan says

You're comparing one off events to something that happens every year called the flu.

There have been numerous discrediting of the notion that covid is a lesser threat than the flu. If it wasn't for social distancing and stay at home orders, covid would kill far more than the flu.

Furthermore, pandemics have to be taken seriously. In war you prepare for the worse case scenario, not the best one. You have to treat all epidemics as possible Black Deaths because you don't know which one will become that. People have such short memories. Just because there wasn't a pandemic in their lifetime, they don't take the threat seriously. They ignore history.

annoyed1 says

There have been numerous discrediting of the notion that covid is a lesser threat than the flu. If it wasn't for social distancing and stay at home orders, covid would kill far more than the flu.

This is true. The CDC numbers of infected/dead indicate a 4% mortality rate in the USA. That’s on par with the Spanish Flu.

Shaman says

annoyed1 says

There have been numerous discrediting of the notion that covid is a lesser threat than the flu. If it wasn't for social distancing and stay at home orders, covid would kill far more than the flu.

This is true. The CDC numbers of infected/dead indicate a 4% mortality rate in the USA. That’s on par with the Spanish Flu.

Sorry, we don't have remotely the slightest clue how many people are or have been infected. The death rate is a complete guessing game because of that. Even with the current data, there's not a chance with modern medicine that this will get close to the Spanish flu. We'd need 5M dead by now at minimum. Per capita, compared to other outbreaks this really is the flu.

We're overall going to end up with less deaths during this period because there will be less car accidents, less work injuries, etc. That's all social distancing is doing. It's not stopping an airborne virus. Has anyone not been outside or to the store? No one is listening to the "orders" besides the big event people/businesses and restaurants. Grocery store and gas stations have been packed every time I've been out.

It's a little scary how quickly people can be manipulated. And even if it's not manipulation, the fear of death apparently is stronger than I thought. The end is the same for everyone, not sure how you're going to change that. People die from changing a lightbulb on a ladder. Do we just get rid of lights and ladders?

WookieMan says

Shaman says

annoyed1 says

There have been numerous discrediting of the notion that covid is a lesser threat than the flu. If it wasn't for social distancing and stay at home orders, covid would kill far more than the flu.

This is true. The CDC numbers of infected/dead indicate a 4% mortality rate in the USA. That’s on par with the Spanish Flu.

Sorry, we don't have remotely the slightest clue how many people are or have been infected. The death rate is a complete guessing game because of that. Even with the current data, there's not a chance with modern medicine that this will get close to the Spanish flu. We'd need 5M dead by now at minimum. Per capita, compared to other outbreaks this really is the flu.

We're overall going to end up with less deaths during this period because there will be less ...

The death rate is around 0.5%, given 20% have been infected easily, on par with a serious flu season.

Shaman says

The CDC numbers of infected/dead indicate a 4% mortality rate in the USA.

That's clearly wrong.

The virus kills on the order of 0.4% when you include all of the people who have been infected, per studies in Iceland and Germany. Maybe less.

The 4% is for people who are sick enough to seek medical treatment, which is a minority, about 10% of those infected.

4% x 10% = 0.4%

Some say underreported.
Others say overreported.
Some scream sky is falling
Others are saying stop quarantine.

At this point it’s all waste of time to talk, just have to get through this.

Finally understood what this corona brouhaha panic reminds me of:

www.youtube.com/embed/ruvGaUuVLDc

zzyzzx says

What am I missing? I don't get it.

Tenpoundbass says

zzyzzx says

What am I missing? I don't get it.

I’m guessing people worried about stepping outside to talk to a person who is delivering? It’s hard to tell what this one is about.

Tim Aurora says

It points to one main thing, We need more Testing

You mean the test that was never clinically validated due to panic?

Wait till we get the vaccine that's rushed due to same. Polio vax round two anyone?

annoyed1 says

And yet we changed how we lived our lives greatly before it. An entire draconian act, the USA Patriot Act, was passed because of it. So taking some common sense measures to stop pandemics which are a far greater threat than terrorism ever could be, is quite reasonable.

So you think the "pandemic" is another plot, like 911 and the patriot act, to further limit our freedoms?

They did say 911 was a new "Pearl Harbor", and last week was the "Pearl Harbor" week of the pandemic so I see where you're coming from.

At least the alarmists have left global warming climate change alone for a while.

0.4% is still over a million Americans. How high does the death rate has to be before closing movie theaters and bars are warranted?

annoyed1 says

0.4% is still over a million Americans. How high does the death rate has to be before closing movie theaters and bars are warranted?

Never honestly. They should be open now. This isn't some Hollywood virus that is killing everybody. We know who it's killing, they're just too fucking stubborn and are the policy makers in this country. Huge pussies. So hey, let's fuck everyone else over AND get free money they'll never have to pay back. Boomers are a fucking virus. Open up and let them all fucking die...

Lies. Fake news. You post a tweet + article from 2018 to back your statement.

But, now in 2020, Kanye just stated he intends to vote for Trump.

So no, he didn't ditch Trump. He's very much still on Team Trump.

This video, and also it's promotion is a good example of why fake news is so prevalent.

Some people don't consider that a 1.2 second video clip might be missing some context, making it's words and message completely different. They also don't believe their favorite news station would cut clips in a dishonest way - they "trust" that the 1.2 seconds is reflective of the true meaning.

But both of those assumptions are very wrong. Fake news spreads quickly due to this.

This thread from Dan Crenshaw sets fire to the dumb arguments by Progs who are trying to re-write history and divide our nation with stupid videos like this.

A couple samples:

"On March 3rd, the day after you claim Trump should have shut our economy down, this is how the WHO downplayed the virus:

“COVID-19 spreads less efficiently than flu, transmission does not appear to be driven by people who are not sick”

https://www.who.int/dg/speeches/detail/who-director-general-s-opening-remarks-at-the-media-briefing-on-covid-19---3-march-2020 …

Would the America public really have accepted millions of jobs destroyed for a virus that had infected just 102 people by March 2? Especially considering Italy would not lock down until March 10th, Spain on March 14th, and the UK on March 23?"




https://threader.app/thread/1250924071237439489

Can you do anything other than link propaganda pieces by leftist sources?

Agitprop Marching Orders: Not only is your mission to promulgate fake and deliberately misleading information approved by the Politburo, you are free to embellish it with any false and misleading information of your own which furthers the agendas of deception.

I think Orange Man Bad is sinking to even greater low of using whitehouse.org to poison minds of NPC's!!!

https://whitehouse.org/

www.youtube.com/embed/oAkWp7SasJ0&feature=emb_title

This is one of very few good trolls of Trump I have seen out there...

Why does anyone give a flying fuck about Kanye West? Never thought I'd see the day on patnet where this is a going concern. Or am I mental or something???

"Everything I know about Kardashians I've learned against my will"

Jazz posting old news again as if it was somehow new.
Breaking! Greeks assault Trojan walls! Ajax thunders while Helen weeps! More at 10!

Where are my pearls when I need to grasp them?

personal

There’s plenty of shame here, both for the makers of that dishonest video and the poster who tossed it here like a dirty banana peel on a garbage lid.

Maybe start one thread and post all of this in there. You just did like 3-4 bitching about Trump because of an airborne virus. Not sure how people let one man influence their life so much. Grow a pair.

WookieMan says

annoyed1 says

0.4% is still over a million Americans. How high does the death rate has to be before closing movie theaters and bars are warranted?

Never honestly. They should be open now. This isn't some Hollywood virus that is killing everybody. We know who it's killing, they're just too fucking stubborn and are the policy makers in this country. Huge pussies. So hey, let's fuck everyone else over AND get free money they'll never have to pay back. Boomers are a fucking virus. Open up and let them all fucking die...

Boomers are asshoe!

WookieMan says

Why does anyone give a flying fuck about Kanye West?

Jonathan Pageau, who is friends with Jordan Peterson, gives an interesting symbolic interpretation here. Obviously, YMMV...
www.youtube.com/embed/b1LjF9FnM5g

The things that chart shows me is
1- everybody is flattening the curve, but not reducing the curve, except china which has dropped to nothing either because
1a. They are lying about their stats
1b. It was a biological attack against the world, and they have the antidote baked into their food supply.

Time for some Kung Fu Chew??


Patrick says

ThreeBays says

There's not going to be a quick return to normal.

Prediction: There will indeed be a quick return to normal, except, hopefully, for some valuable lessons learned about why we should not continue to outsource to China.

Why the quick return to normal? Because pretty much every country on earth is on the same curve, showing this thing lasts about 90 days even with varying responses among countries:



More predictions:

- Democrats will blame Trump for not doing enough
- Democrats will blame Trump for doing too much
- Democrats will attempt to continue to outsource factories to China and insource illegals from Mexico, and scream !RACIST! at anyone who objects
- voters will get serious about objecting to the devastation of the US working class, and Democrats will lose not only this...

:
"B-b-b-b-but the borders. Don't you see, Great Leader get's it. Before he was elected the southern US border was wide open. Obama was constantly trying to see how many illegal aliens (new democrat voters) he could get in to the country as fast as possible. All those stories about the build up of border security under Obama, and the deportation of Mexicans that committed crimes during OBama admin, and the actual decrease of illegal immigrants in the country over that time period, is all liberal propaganda."

"Only great leader an keep America great now that he has totally succeeded in bringing us back to our glory days."

Onvacation says

At least the alarmists have left global warming climate change alone for a while.

Another bonus: we don't have to hear the 24/7 drone about mostly-imaginary racism.

Not hearing about racism 24/7 is not only much more pleasant, it's actually the most effective way to end what racism there is.

Morgan Freeman and Mike Wallace:

WALLACE: Black History Month, you find …

FREEMAN: Ridiculous.

WALLACE: Why?

FREEMAN: You’re going to relegate my history to a month?

WALLACE: Come on.

FREEMAN: What do you do with yours? Which month is White History Month? Come on, tell me.

WALLACE: I’m Jewish.

FREEMAN: OK. Which month is Jewish History Month?

WALLACE: There isn’t one.

FREEMAN: Why not? Do you want one?

WALLACE: No, no.

FREEMAN: I don’t either. I don’t want a Black History Month. Black history is American history.

WALLACE: How are we going to get rid of racism until …?

FREEMAN: Stop talking about it. I’m going to stop calling you a white man. And I’m going to ask you to stop calling me a black man. I know you as Mike Wallace. You know me as Morgan Freeman. You’re not going to say, “I know this white guy named Mike Wallace.” Hear what I’m saying?

Patrick says

Onvacation says

At least the alarmists have left global warming climate change alone for a while.

Another bonus: we don't have to hear the 24/7 drone about mostly-imaginary racism.

Not hearing about racism 24/7 is not only much more pleasant, it's actually the most effective way to end what racism there is.

Morgan Freeman and Mike Wallace:

WALLACE: Black History Month, you find …

FREEMAN: Ridiculous.

WALLACE: Why?

FREEMAN: You’re going to relegate my history to a month?

WALLACE: Come on.

FREEMAN: What do you do with yours? Which month is White History Month? Come on, tell me.

WALLACE: I’m Jewish.

FREEMAN: OK. Which month is Jewish History Month?

WALLACE: There isn’t one.

FREEMAN: Why not? Do you want one?

WALLACE: No, no.

FREEMAN: I don’t either. I don’t want a Black History...

One of my favorite convos. Unfortunately I ran into a MSNPCCNNBBC lamestream leftoid headline on my phone talking about the next drought! which is! coming! soon! cause climate! change! bad! WTF?? They had the guts after one of the rainiest and snowiest seasons in CA and with the whole East and parts of midwest just getting dumped on massively with cold storms with snow and rain to bring up this shit again. lol unbelievable.

The most interesting part would be to uncover the office or PR agency (if there is one) creating these media scares, figuring out who is paying them, and why.

It all kinda does reek of Edward Bernays, nephew of Sigmund Freud:

Edward Louis Bernays (/bərˈneɪz/; German: [bɛɐ̯ˈnaɪs]; November 22, 1891 − March 9, 1995) was an Austrian-American pioneer in the field of public relations and propaganda, referred to in his obituary as "the father of public relations".[3] Bernays was named one of the 100 most influential Americans of the 20th century by Life.[4] ...

His best-known campaigns include a 1929 effort to promote female smoking by branding cigarettes as feminist "Torches of Freedom" and his work for the United Fruit Company connected with the CIA-orchestrated overthrow of the democratically elected Guatemalan government in 1954.

Tenpoundbass says

zzyzzx says

What am I missing? I don't get it.

Liberals irrational fear of everything.

Patrick says

Shaman says

The CDC numbers of infected/dead indicate a 4% mortality rate in the USA.

That's clearly wrong.

The virus kills on the order of 0.4% when you include all of the people who have been infected, per studies in Iceland and Germany. Maybe less.

The 4% is for people who are sick enough to seek medical treatment, which is a minority, about 10% of those infected.

4% x 10% = 0.4%

Most people don't understand the difference between 4% and 0.4% and don't care either.

Can I still use pangolins to comb my hair?