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So let me guess, let's "fundamentally transform" America ?

Does that mean that mean open borders, giving free passes to the Chinese Communists, etc. ?

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WookieMan says

Didn't always agree, but you've always had well thought out, detailed comments. That happens less and less now unfortunately.

I second this - always enjoyed @curious2 posts.

jazz_music says

Trump making the greatest promises ever and posing for executive Order PR shots.

So if Trump would just fulfill his campaign promises you'd have no issue with him?

Great we agree on everything.

Trump isn't dividing anybody.

The Media is.

Fuck, Fredo on CNN was all about "Two Americas" tonight. There's even a fucking thread on this very forum by a Leftist encouraging division with the same angle.

Stop creating drama and then claiming somebody else started it.

jazz_music says

Activism is the only way

Activism against what? There's more opportunity out there than there ever has been. People can bitch all they want, they're just wasting their time. You can literally sail around the world, drink and party and get paid for it. It's not everyone else's fault you're too lazy to take advantage of the modern day opportunities.

Many Fools have made themselves known when they blame the racism and division wholly or majorly on Trump. You could make an argument that he's responsible for SOME of it, but the VAST majority of it comes from the media and politicians.

The BLM movement started under Obama.
The Occupy Wallstreet movement started under Obama.

Our current unrest has basically the same grievances as those movements.

All of these are little Frankenstein creations of the media. They find a divisive coal, and then the media and politicians blow on it until its a fire.

The left and the right actually have a common enemy when it comes to the media.

Tim Aurora says

I think the last LeBron Meme tells you all about Alt Right gaslighting. LeBron is not the govt, Trump is. Lebron is the opressed and Trump is the compressor and talking about violence ( the only leader to do so). That is how out of touch the alt-right racist are.

LeBron is oppressed? In what world is that? And the hypocrisy of his current stance versus human rights in china (vs making big money there) is telling. Oh wait - we can't comment on China as it is not our country and is none of our business. Right.... Or maybe you are just trolling....

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Tim Aurora says

You are saying that BLM is not legit. You do not understand the plight of those living under police harassment.

I suspect when there is protest against this type of behavior (which is hardly an isolated incident), then there will be consensus on "fundamentally transforming" the police as well as the rest of America.




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So, Trump is dividing America with this State of the Union speech. Oh wait, wrong president:
www.youtube.com/embed/KmFUsAd70zo&feature=youtu.be

Tim Aurora says

I think the last LeBron Meme tells you all about Alt Right gaslighting. LeBron is not the govt, Trump is. Lebron is the opressed and Trump is the compressor and talking about violence ( the only leader to do so). That is how out of touch the alt-right racist are.

you must have missed the press conference

Tim Aurora says

You are saying that BLM is not legit. You do not understand the plight of those living under police harassment.

Honest question to any thoughtful Liberal or Progressive here.

Do you really think the biggest problem facing the African American community is systemic racism and police brutality in Democrat controlled cities like Seattle, LA, Portland, New York, Minneapolis, Atlanta, DC and Philadelphia? If so, how did these Democrat run cities stay so racist for decades despite being run by Democrats and people of color?

I argue the biggest problem for African Americans is the staggering percent of black children being born without Dad's in their lives guaranteeing them to live in a life of poverty, ignorance and crime.

The guy who said that they “are coming to the suburbs” is clueless.
The cops there are not under the direction of the lefty liberal mayors running cities. They won’t pussyfoot around with invaders from the city.
Of course, in the suburbs guys also are armed, so don’t try barging in someone’s place.

clambo says

The guy who said that they “are coming to the suburbs” is clueless.
The cops there are not under the direction of the lefty liberal mayors running cities. They won’t pussyfoot around with invaders from the city.
Of course, in the suburbs guys also are armed, so don’t try barging in someone’s place.

Just got word from a credible source that they're looking to hit my town tonight. We're a rural farm town of like 2,200 people. Enjoy. I have no problem killing someone and neither do most the gun owners out here. I'm actually looking forward to it. This is planned people. One of the county cops in town has a credible threat on him. This is beyond fucked up. Kind of excited though.

NDrLoR says

the atrocities mentioned above

This happened a long time before the 80's or automation. The black thug culture is a product, ironically, of the Civil Rights era. In the late 60's, young blacks under the influence of their leaders H. Rap Brown, Stokely Carmichael and Eldridge Cleaver along with the Black Panther party rejected assimilation into mainstream American society advocated by MLK for, well, the black thug culture of violence, hatred of The Man and capitalism, involvement in the drug culture and every other self-destructive impulse known to mankind.

Something I'd like to point out is that the black community has been intentionally subverted a few times.

For example: when rap music first showed up in the 1980's, it was political and forward thinking. It wasn't violent, it wasn't glorifying drugs, it was progressive in that it was taking an honest look at issues the black community faced. Here, this is comedy, but it's spot on:

www.youtube.com/embed/tFwsQd-07Yw

Rap music in the later 80's just glorified drugs, promiscuous sex, money, violence. It promoted the most base and damaging things for a young person to do.

Drugs were thrown into poor urban areas. People couldn't get welfare if a man lived in the house originally. There is systemic racism. The black community was intentionally hobbled and they were targeted to make them government dependents.

SunnyvaleCA says

Do you really think the biggest problem facing the African American community is systemic racism and police brutality in Democrat controlled cities like Seattle, LA, Portland, New York, Minneapolis, Atlanta, DC and Philadelphia? If so, how did these Democrat run cities stay so racist for decades despite being run by Democrats and people of color?

I'm not really a progressive, but I think I can answer this.

It was a deliberate choice to make the black community dependent on the government and to weaken their families. Welfare wasn't available to married couples at one time - it created an economic incentive for black families to be broken up. Feminists also targeted the black community promoting that concept that single mothers were "strong" and "independent". The first MRA type people came out of the black community, from the 1970s.

socal2 says

I argue the biggest problem for African Americans is the staggering percent of black children being born without Dad's in their lives guaranteeing them to live in a life of poverty, ignorance and crime.

I'd agree.

But what you have to look at is that the government itself gives financial incentives to black women to have children, and to not have a nuclear family.

The government also pumps in drugs to black communities, gives them terrible education in urban schools.

As insane as this may be to say, segregation may have been better for the black community than not having it at one time. Back in the 1950's, Harlem was a prosperous, clean, well kept area of NYC - but you wouldn't go into that area if you were white unless you had a chaperon to go with who was black and familiar with the area. You would have been regarded as a troublemaker and targeted. White people experienced the same exact discrimination in a black area that a black person would face when being in a white area.

In either case, ending segregation helped the Democratic party because THEY were able to convince the public they were responsible for ending "racism" - even though they weren't. They then setup programs that made black people dependent on their policies that conservatives claimed to be against further getting black people to align with the democratic party. Whether this was well thought out and planned, or if it just happened - who is to say?

Tim Aurora says

You are saying that BLM is not legit.

BLM meetings open and close with a poem by fugitive Cop Killer, Asshat Shakur, real name Joanne Chresimard, who hides out in the Authoritarian Dictatorship of Cuba.

www.youtube.com/embed/SNayoOysBLY

Here we go with the goal post shifting.

I thought this was about a nasty cop in a Far Left for Decades City, rep'd by Ilhan Omar, Mayor is a Trudeau Clone, killing somebody.

Is it also about Medicaid Money for Marijuana Smokers and Homeopathy now?

[ sarcasm on ]

Yay! Let's justify a bunch of shitheads, infiltrating peaceful demonstrations orchestrated by the middle 30%-70% of income, by pointing it on the rich.

[ sarcasm off ]

Let me tell you ... Boston was peaceful, from dawn till 8 PM. Those were peaceful folks holding up signs in memory of George Floyd.

And then, the rioters showed up and turned the city into a shit show. I saw the difference between night and day. This is not a 1% vs 99% debate. It's about psychos vs civilized citizenry.

The real class war is about 20% of the country that is independent of the health of the Economy and Normal Behavior- Teachers, most other Gov't Employees, and Lumpenproles.

They can take society to the edge without worrying about their next meal.

The richest Americans have to pay a tax to spend every dollar of their money, it’s called the capital gains tax.

They having a net worth pumped up by others in the auction called the “stock market” doesn’t impoverish anyone.

A guy somewhere has a Picasso hanging in his house worth millions; does he hurt your ability to get money and have fun?

Rioters are bored kids out of school or work, looters are just thieves and losers.

Addendum:
The serious crime of the evil rich is the outsourcing of American jobs and importing foreign labor to depress their wages and steal their children's future.

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Its a play on words or political rhetoric that cleverly disguises left wing ideology with the label "AntiFa" or anti-fascist.

Whereas, the goal is to realize a left wing authoritarian government at the central level and then work its way to the local level.

Hence, by the Left attaching to the AntiFa label, if you criticize their actions, you get falsely labeled as being supportive of fascism.

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To be fair they are getting 100% discount on all merchandise right now. And a bail out by liberal actors.

Tim Aurora says

You are saying that BLM is not legit. You do not understand the plight of those living under police harassment.

Hircus says

The BLM movement started under Obama.

No, there is some legitimacy to it. But there's also LOTS of fraudulence, exaggeration, and political hyperbole.

But lets not get off topic.

How can Trump be "the great divider" when BLM occurred just a few years before him? Unfair treatment of black people is the very same issue today.

You have allowed the media and politicians to trick you.

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Yep, look at the "white supremacists" in action causing the riots and looting.



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Tim Aurora says

I think the last LeBron Meme tells you all about Alt Right gaslighting. LeBron is not the govt, Trump is

Went over your head. No point in taking the time to explain it if you can't see the obvious.

WookieMan says

Yup X 100. Convoluted response in 5...4...3...2...1...

jazz_music says

There you go.

Giving your love away to someone who isn’t interested.

Make sense and some users here might take you seriously.

The Media is dividing us.

Compare this graphic published by the WASHINGTON POST last FUCKIN YEAR
https://t.co/oiqNeXpOfo?amp=1






With their op-ed pages these past few days.

WookieMan says

Tim Aurora says

I think the last LeBron Meme tells you all about Alt Right gaslighting. LeBron is not the govt, Trump is

Went over your head. No point in taking the time to explain it if you can't see the obvious.

He is stuck in TDS mode, he can't see anything other than Trump everywhere tormenting his soul. Because liberal media told him that he should be angry at Trump 24/7.

Tim Aurora says

I think the last LeBron Meme tells you all about Alt Right gaslighting. LeBron is not the govt, Trump is. Lebron is the opressed and Trump is the compressor and talking about violence ( the only leader to do so). That is how out of touch the alt-right racist are.

A multimillionaire who makes money playing a game is Oppressed.

The point is all these athletes that "Bend the Knee" on the US Flag because a thug named Brown reached into the vehicle of a cop who just delivered a Black Baby and punched him, and got shot in return in Ferguson, yet Defends his Chinese Communist Organ Harvester's Income Stream Masters against having to put up with Free Hong Kong protests.

thomasdong1776 says

The looting of America has been going on for over 40 years – and the culprits are the ultra-rich.

Absolutely. The outsourcing of almost all US manufacturing to China and insourcing of tens of millions of illegals is the basis of their fortunes, and they are trying hard to make sure it continues by attempting to get rid of Trump.

Funding the current riots seems to be part of their strategy of destabilization. But the rioters are themselves violent criminals and should be stopped with force.

thomasdong1776 says

The billionaire class now pays a lower tax rate than people living paycheck to paycheck

No. Not true. Damn near half the country doesn't pay federal taxes even in a good economy. 2% of $100M is better than 0% of $35k. I'm just throwing those numbers out of my ass too. Billionaires likely pay well over 10% as individuals and corporations.

NoCoupForYou says

I thought this was about a nasty cop in a Far Left for Decades City, rep'd by Ilhan Omar, Mayor is a Trudeau Clone, killing somebody.

The difference between a city and state with a democrat controlled govt is that it's maybe as much as 60% democrats.

The idiot asshole cop that killed that guy was ONE INDIVIDUAL. How you turn that into something that is about the democrats being the dominant political party there is beyond me. Beyond stupid really. IT's no coincidence that major urban areas often are democrat. I guess you could argue that those urban democrat leaders are the ones that need to lead with the changes that need to occur with police hiring, training etc., but it's more likely to happen if this needs to be something that the entire culture is behind.

There is a great chance that cop Trump cult member. Not saying it's definite, but what you're trying to do with the politics is an absurd stretch.

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The license plate (Georgia?) is AFP 9360 of this Mercedes Benz which shows white people trying to give bricks to black people for them to throw them.

These white liberals in the Mercedes are the ones that support globalism and sending jobs overseas to kill the American middle class. Why ? Because it does not hurt them and probably benefits their rich parents.

www.youtube.com/embed/LF-v-7sBvPY
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marcus says

IT's no coincidence that major urban areas often are democrat.

Minneapolis is probably at least 75% Democrat just like other urban areas. How can it have systematic racism ?

Hell, I'd be scared to be a Republican living there as far as being in a militant Democrat environment. Just think about the retaliation and ultra-passive aggressive behavior; like being a James Damore (fired Google employee) everyday.

One of the police officers involved in the murder of Gordon Floyd is Hmong.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/01/us/hmong-americans-minneapolis-george-floyd.html

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Tim Pool believes whites, possibly Antifa, comprised of upper class whites, with far left ideology, who want to tear this country down and rebuild it in their own socialist/communist model, are infiltrating black neighborhoods and causing most of the destruction. Why are there more whites than blacks at these rallies?

WillPowers says

Why are there more whites than blacks at these rallies?

Minneapolis is something like 90% white and 6% black, yet the videos of looters appear to be 80% black. Whites appear to be underrepresented at the rallies. The whites who are there look like Antifa, while the blacks dont look like Antifa. That part seems true.

Tim Aurora says

Lebron is the opressed
This is what oppressed looks like in liberal land: In 2018, Forbes estimated James' net worth at $450 million. James is a three-time NBA champion, winning titles as a member of the Miami Heat in 2012 and 2013 and with the Cleveland Cavaliers in 2016. He has won NBA most valuable player honors four times.

Sounds blessed, not oppressed.

NoCoupForYou says

For those on the left, the oppressed person in this image is the guy about to be crushed by the tank. Anything else you can say is gaslighting. In fact, Lebrun lecturing others and supporting a tyrannical communist government IS gaslighting. He sold out.

Either you are a tax payer or a tax burden.

No middle ground.