patrick.net

Could it have something to do with the BLM riots? Hmm.

No, it must be that one rally in Tulsa six weeks ago.

SCIENCE!

OMG, they arrested them in an unamarked car, read them their miranda rights, charged them, and RELEASED THEM. OH THE HORROR. How about they stop commuting crimes if they are so terrified of this? They are still playing soyboy riot every night.

WookieMan says

I think most Libertarians still want social order as well.

Yeah we do!

LIBERTARIAN PRINCIPLES
It’s very simple: Let people live their own lives as they want and get the government out of our business. The Libertarian Party bases its philosophy on these core principles:

CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. You, as stated by our nation’s Founding Fathers, have the inalienable right to live, be free and prosper to your fullest potential without hindrance from any person or entity. You have the freedom to pursue your happiness as long as you respect others’ rights to pursue theirs.

PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. You are responsible for your personal choices, able to take care of yourself and capable to do for others as you expect them to do unto you. Conversely, others are free to live their lives as they see fit and are responsible for their choices. We believe in tolerance toward others and respect for self-sovereignty.

LIMITED GOVERNMENT. Your government’s principal function is to protect your freedom, your unalienable rights of Life, Liberty and Property, all crucial rights for building a free and prosperous society. Government should be of the necessary size and scope, as outlined in the United States Constitution, to efficiently support its constitutional duties and effectively maintain the rule of law. The Libertarian vision of government is of a government strictly confined to its constitutional role, a government that respects civil liberties, recognizes that the individual is more important than the State, exercises fiscal restraint and understands that each generation must pay its own debts, believes in free markets and practices a non-interventionist foreign policy of “peace toward all, entangling alliances with none.”

Of course libertarian want criminals off the street! As others have stated, the Feds are not targeting protesters but arresting criminals that the local authorities are ignoring enabling.

Onvacation says

Of course libertarian want criminals off the street! As others have stated, the Feds are not targeting protesters but arresting criminals that the local authorities are ignoring enabling.

I actually think a lot of the protesters want criminals off the street and they're just trying to get their voice heard. Unfortunately the peaceful ones are too stupid and allow criminal dip shits to "march" with them or whatever they're doing. I can promise them 95% of rural and even suburban America is not listening and does not care one bit. We don't live in your shitty cities.

Not saying it's Soros. I don't even care about him. We know the races it kills the most per capita. We know the reason. They don't care about each other. So I'm a little hesitant to grab data from a source that has race as the focus on their front page. And their data doesn't line up with other sources I've viewed. The Atlantic used to be good 20 years ago, I'd read it as a high schooler, but it's turned to shit along with most media.

Didn't watch, see part of the title. I agree Chris Wallace is fake news. Also a biased leftist dickhead.

WookieMan says

Onvacation says

Of course libertarian want criminals off the street! As others have stated, the Feds are not targeting protesters but arresting criminals that the local authorities are ignoring enabling.

I actually think a lot of the protesters want criminals off the street and they're just trying to get their voice heard. Unfortunately the peaceful ones are too stupid and allow criminal dip shits to "march" with them or whatever they're doing. I can promise them 95% of rural and even suburban America is not listening and does not care one bit. We don't live in your shitty cities.

There have been zero cases of violet rioters present without the simultaneous presence of "peaceful protesters".

theoakman says

There have been zero cases of violet rioters

Or purple, they are mostly white.

ere they kidnapped or just merely being brought to justice?
Lots of people have been traveling across state lines to assault peaceful people assembling to show support for American values have been getting assaulted by these people. Federal crimes are committed and there have been investigations. You noticed they seemed to know exactly who they were after. Now they are surgical being detained, there are consequences for actions.
Thankfully we live in America and they the right to a speedy trial, so it's not like you wont be seeing them in the funny papers anytime soon.

I think they are also dealing with leftist who have no respect for due process. They subvert it as a shield for their violence and antisocial behavior. Portland is currently (as as CHAZ, etc) a combat zone than a American city with outside insurgents laying siege. A war in other words. Not a place the Libertarian principle I believe in can exist.

To be honest at this point I would be fine if there was video of these people in random vans jumping out and pumping lead into a few people, and jumping back in the van and moving on to the next.

It's America's fucking Streets you Goddamn Commie pukes.

I would love to hear the Video of that.

"Dude What the FUCK!"
"Hey we need a bunch of people over here to beat up these guys in camo!"
(Blam blam blam blam ratta tat tat)
"Dude what the fuck man!? Gawd! Just GO-oh, Gosh!"
"You're so stup(BAM!)ID!"

They arrested individuals for federal property crimes. This is nothing new.

Surprised took so long. Those anarchists ran around thinking they were above the law for several month now. Inaction really emboldened them.

I suspect if it was President Hillary abducting anti-abortion protesters off the streets by unidentified state agents into unmarked vehicles, a few of the comments above would be quite different.

Booger says

That indicates the level of tolerance.

finehoe says

I suspect if it was President Hillary abducting anti-abortion protesters off the streets by unidentified state agents into unmarked vehicles, a few of the comments above would be quite different.

Maybe so, but that's purely hypothetical at this point. If anti-abortion protesters would become violent and engaging in federal crimes and local cops wouldn't do anything, I'd advocate for the same action.

finehoe says

I suspect if it was President Hillary abducting anti-abortion protesters off the streets by unidentified state agents into unmarked vehicles, a few of the comments above would be quite different.

Yeah, because that's the same thing. Anti abortionists don't burn and loot, do they? Standing up for a defenseless fetus is definitely the same as standing up for a criminal that brought his death on to hisself, right? Right?

finehoe says

I suspect if it was President Hillary abducting anti-abortion protesters

Violent arsonist and bombers should be rounded up and given a lead pill.

But for the most part, conservative protesters don't riot, loot, and burn shit down.

There was those few idiots in the early 90's that bombed abortion clinics, but I don't recall the whole Republican body of Government condoning or defending their actions.

WineHorror1 says

Yeah, because that's the same thing. Anti abortionists don't burn and loot, do they?

A few clinics were bombed in the early 90's but H.W. Bush made it his mission to personally bring the lone wolf to justice.
There hasn't been a single bombing or violent anti abortion movement since. And knowing how dirty liberals play today, it's possible that that bomber in the 90's was a Leftist loon trying to discredit the anti abortion movement.

Tenpoundbass says

WineHorror1 says

Yeah, because that's the same thing. Anti abortionists don't burn and loot, do they?

A few clinics were bombed in the early 90's but H.W. Bush made it his mission to personally bring the lone wolf to justice.
There hasn't been a single bombing or violent anti abortion movement since. And knowing how dirty liberals play today, it's possible that that bomber in the 90's was a Leftist loon trying to discredit the anti abortion movement.

Yes, agreed, but 1) it was nipped in the bud 2) he wasn't part of a terrorist organization run amuck and 3) he wasn't supported by the government.

To compare him to what's going on now, he and about 10,000 of his closest friends would have to tear down, loot and burn about 100 abortion clinics.

All the leftist news sites are trying their best to play maximum vilification of govt for "snatching people into unmarked vans".

I lol at this.

The rage mobs attack & destroy every marked police car they see. So, cops get strategic and use unmarked grocery-getter minivans and pwn the unsuspecting commies. Now they cry about it. lol!!!

Hircus says

unmarked grocery-getter minivans

I saw the cops using uhauls in one of the Portland vids. Can stuff a lot of lefty fuctards in one of those!

It's the progressive propaganda trap Trump avoided elsewhere. Local KommieKunt government allows, defends, and enables destructive protests that ruin the city, trying to goad Trump into intervening.

Trump just let their shit show burn unattended until everybody knew the score, but finally decided to intervene in Portland.

The knee-jerk propaganda result comes out that everything is now Nazi Trump's fault. Nobody believes it because they saw all the previous shit shows already square on the shoulders of the Dems and progressives.

The real question - can Biden?

Chris Wallace should just say how he feels.
"Would you just shut up and let me smear you! You don't get to defend yourself from our slanderous accusations and libel assault!"
"I'm fucking in charge HERE!" as he runs off set and has a good Cry.

Mike would be a shamed of that sniveling little Worm!

< Defund the police
< Murders/shootings skyrocket
< WE NEED COMMON SENSE GUN LAWS TO CONTROL GUN VIOLENCE!!

The old lady across the street from me is stockpiling canned food because she thinks the leftists are going to do something much bigger when Trump wins again.

She is quite likely right.

I would not be at all surprised if leftists resort to mass murder to try to destabilize the US, or even a nuke.

Leftist are really that full of hate, that evil. And they are funded by the biggest corporations, companies that are absolutely determined to continue outsourcing US jobs for their own short term profits, like Amazon.

TrumpingTits says

Libertarians? They fucked themselves totally when their candidate announced full Libertarian sucky sucky of BLM cock.

Libertarians don't need no stinkin' candidate. Just leave us alone!

thomasdong1776 says

Wanting more police enforcement against protesters is one thing. But accepting the abduction of citizens off the streets by unidentified state agents into unmarked vehicles is as grave a threat to civil liberties as it gets. If you don’t oppose that, what do you oppose?

How about getting fired from your job because of Youtube comments? How about being fined for misgendering a tranny? How about being forced to attend socio-political indoctrination struggle sessions by every Government and Fortune 500 employer?

Those are far, far more likely to occur to the average Libertarian than to be nabbed for throwing a molotov cocktail at a Pizza Hut during a Riot/Protest.

These aren't abductions. They are arrests. The reason the liberal media is freaking out is because the city of Portland can't just wipe away the charges anymore.

TrumpingTits says

Libertarians? They fucked themselves totally when their candidate announced full Libertarian sucky sucky of BLM cock.

Who was that?

Patrick says

The old lady across the street from me is stockpiling canned food because she thinks the leftists are going to do something much bigger when Trump wins again.

She is quite likely right.

I would not be at all surprised if leftists resort to mass murder to try to destabilize the US, or even a nuke.

Leftist are really that full of hate, that evil. And they are funded by the biggest corporations, companies that are absolutely determined to continue outsourcing US jobs for their own short term profits, like Amazon.

It’s frightening me too. I see them selling hate for America. And people who hate America will try to burn it down. Maybe they don’t see it, or maybe they think it’s worth it. But for us average citizens this is frightening.

My guess that what the feds are doing in Portland is creating an ANTIFA and rioter data base. ANTIFA use the tactic of anonymity to hide among 'peaceful protestors' (many of whom are following the law), desperate momentarily, commit their crimes and like the fascists they actually are commit violent crimes, then blend back in the crowd. Later they move to a new site, No record, no prison time.
If the feds build a database they can start charging them with Federal crimes. Some of the perps must have shit themselves to be photographed, finger printed, maybe aretina scan etc, and realized they were already known and thus detained. Bye bye anonymity and zero accountability. Lifestyle is going to end.

thomasdong1776 says

Wanting more police enforcement against protesters is one thing. But accepting the abduction of citizens off the streets by unidentified state agents into unmarked vehicles is as grave a threat to civil liberties as it gets. If you don’t oppose that, what do you oppose?

This is what I heard...

"Whaaaaaa, waaaaa, waaaaaaa"

Wanna change the rules of the game? Game on.

Just a thought of other leftists to round up because they pose a threat to American values including Due Process: Title IX Investigators, Diversity and Inclusion Personnel.
The left do not believe in fairness, justice, due process, or traditional notions of fair play. To them, these are all tools of White Supremacy.

If only retarded Progressive Mayors and Governors did their jobs....


*If radicals feel emboldened, that’s because Portland has long allowed political violence to occur with impunity. In recent years dueling marches by Antifa and far-right activists have descended into brawling, and too often police have done little to stop it. Assaults have gone unpunished, including a violent attack on journalist Andy Ngo. Portland Police admit that they sometimes simply walk away from protests—er, strategically disengage.

In early June Mayor Ted Wheeler told police to refrain from using tear gas unless there’s “violence that threatens life safety.” Federal Judge Marco Hernandez also issued an injunction prohibiting the use of tear gas “to disperse crowds where there is no or little risk of injury.” And on June 30, Oregon Gov. Kate Brown signed legislation that bans tear gas unless police declare a riot…

Critics have complained that federal agents obscure their identity and operate out of unmarked cars. Officers legitimately fear being identified by name and harassed at home, and their superiors have sometimes allowed them to obscure nameplates while still displaying their patches and badge numbers.

Meanwhile, protesters routinely dress in identical “black bloc” attire and obscure their faces. They’ve made a habit of swarming officers who attempt an arrest, creating chaos, and helping the suspect disappear."
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-mess-in-portland-11595286956

Here's a thought, if those assholes rights were actually violated, let them sue and let them collect a big fat payday. It's all on film! Is that going to happen? Doubtful. The feds have these people on video breaking the law. So they come around in an unmarked car when they aren't in a crowd and arrest the person without the use of force. You don't like it because they don't have to beat back 10 people with sticks while doing so. Now the crowd can't claim police brutality.

thomasdong1776 says

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a33347230/portland-oregon-protesters-detained/

You and the articles you cite state “protestors”. It is demonstrably false that all participating are only protesting. There is ample video and photographic evidence of violent crimes committed.

Why are you comfortable with the lie of labeling the arrestees as “protestors”. Do you think it’s moral to lie if the lie benefits your political point of view?

#cancel unmarked copcars! #cancel police surveillance! #cancel arresting criminals!

Am I accepted into team BLM now?

Can someone explain how unmarked police cars, surveillance, and arresting criminals when they commit a crime is somehow a problem?

Interesting title construction. It appears to presuppose that the reader was completely nonplussed about the riots, looting, vandalism, and mayhem the police and "unmarked agents" are responding to.