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ere they kidnapped or just merely being brought to justice?
Lots of people have been traveling across state lines to assault peaceful people assembling to show support for American values have been getting assaulted by these people. Federal crimes are committed and there have been investigations. You noticed they seemed to know exactly who they were after. Now they are surgical being detained, there are consequences for actions.
Thankfully we live in America and they the right to a speedy trial, so it's not like you wont be seeing them in the funny papers anytime soon.

I think they are also dealing with leftist who have no respect for due process. They subvert it as a shield for their violence and antisocial behavior. Portland is currently (as as CHAZ, etc) a combat zone than a American city with outside insurgents laying siege. A war in other words. Not a place the Libertarian principle I believe in can exist.

To be honest at this point I would be fine if there was video of these people in random vans jumping out and pumping lead into a few people, and jumping back in the van and moving on to the next.

It's America's fucking Streets you Goddamn Commie pukes.

I would love to hear the Video of that.

"Dude What the FUCK!"
"Hey we need a bunch of people over here to beat up these guys in camo!"
(Blam blam blam blam ratta tat tat)
"Dude what the fuck man!? Gawd! Just GO-oh, Gosh!"
"You're so stup(BAM!)ID!"

They arrested individuals for federal property crimes. This is nothing new.

Surprised took so long. Those anarchists ran around thinking they were above the law for several month now. Inaction really emboldened them.

I suspect if it was President Hillary abducting anti-abortion protesters off the streets by unidentified state agents into unmarked vehicles, a few of the comments above would be quite different.

Booger says

That indicates the level of tolerance.

finehoe says

I suspect if it was President Hillary abducting anti-abortion protesters off the streets by unidentified state agents into unmarked vehicles, a few of the comments above would be quite different.

Maybe so, but that's purely hypothetical at this point. If anti-abortion protesters would become violent and engaging in federal crimes and local cops wouldn't do anything, I'd advocate for the same action.

finehoe says

I suspect if it was President Hillary abducting anti-abortion protesters off the streets by unidentified state agents into unmarked vehicles, a few of the comments above would be quite different.

Yeah, because that's the same thing. Anti abortionists don't burn and loot, do they? Standing up for a defenseless fetus is definitely the same as standing up for a criminal that brought his death on to hisself, right? Right?

finehoe says

I suspect if it was President Hillary abducting anti-abortion protesters

Violent arsonist and bombers should be rounded up and given a lead pill.

But for the most part, conservative protesters don't riot, loot, and burn shit down.

There was those few idiots in the early 90's that bombed abortion clinics, but I don't recall the whole Republican body of Government condoning or defending their actions.

WineHorror1 says

Yeah, because that's the same thing. Anti abortionists don't burn and loot, do they?

A few clinics were bombed in the early 90's but H.W. Bush made it his mission to personally bring the lone wolf to justice.
There hasn't been a single bombing or violent anti abortion movement since. And knowing how dirty liberals play today, it's possible that that bomber in the 90's was a Leftist loon trying to discredit the anti abortion movement.

Tenpoundbass says

WineHorror1 says

Yeah, because that's the same thing. Anti abortionists don't burn and loot, do they?

A few clinics were bombed in the early 90's but H.W. Bush made it his mission to personally bring the lone wolf to justice.
There hasn't been a single bombing or violent anti abortion movement since. And knowing how dirty liberals play today, it's possible that that bomber in the 90's was a Leftist loon trying to discredit the anti abortion movement.

Yes, agreed, but 1) it was nipped in the bud 2) he wasn't part of a terrorist organization run amuck and 3) he wasn't supported by the government.

To compare him to what's going on now, he and about 10,000 of his closest friends would have to tear down, loot and burn about 100 abortion clinics.

All the leftist news sites are trying their best to play maximum vilification of govt for "snatching people into unmarked vans".

I lol at this.

The rage mobs attack & destroy every marked police car they see. So, cops get strategic and use unmarked grocery-getter minivans and pwn the unsuspecting commies. Now they cry about it. lol!!!

Hircus says

unmarked grocery-getter minivans

I saw the cops using uhauls in one of the Portland vids. Can stuff a lot of lefty fuctards in one of those!

It's the progressive propaganda trap Trump avoided elsewhere. Local KommieKunt government allows, defends, and enables destructive protests that ruin the city, trying to goad Trump into intervening.

Trump just let their shit show burn unattended until everybody knew the score, but finally decided to intervene in Portland.

The knee-jerk propaganda result comes out that everything is now Nazi Trump's fault. Nobody believes it because they saw all the previous shit shows already square on the shoulders of the Dems and progressives.

The real question - can Biden?

Chris Wallace should just say how he feels.
"Would you just shut up and let me smear you! You don't get to defend yourself from our slanderous accusations and libel assault!"
"I'm fucking in charge HERE!" as he runs off set and has a good Cry.

Mike would be a shamed of that sniveling little Worm!

< Defund the police
< Murders/shootings skyrocket
< WE NEED COMMON SENSE GUN LAWS TO CONTROL GUN VIOLENCE!!

The old lady across the street from me is stockpiling canned food because she thinks the leftists are going to do something much bigger when Trump wins again.

She is quite likely right.

I would not be at all surprised if leftists resort to mass murder to try to destabilize the US, or even a nuke.

Leftist are really that full of hate, that evil. And they are funded by the biggest corporations, companies that are absolutely determined to continue outsourcing US jobs for their own short term profits, like Amazon.

TrumpingTits says

Libertarians? They fucked themselves totally when their candidate announced full Libertarian sucky sucky of BLM cock.

Libertarians don't need no stinkin' candidate. Just leave us alone!

thomasdong1776 says

Wanting more police enforcement against protesters is one thing. But accepting the abduction of citizens off the streets by unidentified state agents into unmarked vehicles is as grave a threat to civil liberties as it gets. If you don’t oppose that, what do you oppose?

How about getting fired from your job because of Youtube comments? How about being fined for misgendering a tranny? How about being forced to attend socio-political indoctrination struggle sessions by every Government and Fortune 500 employer?

Those are far, far more likely to occur to the average Libertarian than to be nabbed for throwing a molotov cocktail at a Pizza Hut during a Riot/Protest.

These aren't abductions. They are arrests. The reason the liberal media is freaking out is because the city of Portland can't just wipe away the charges anymore.

TrumpingTits says

Libertarians? They fucked themselves totally when their candidate announced full Libertarian sucky sucky of BLM cock.

Who was that?

Patrick says

The old lady across the street from me is stockpiling canned food because she thinks the leftists are going to do something much bigger when Trump wins again.

She is quite likely right.

I would not be at all surprised if leftists resort to mass murder to try to destabilize the US, or even a nuke.

Leftist are really that full of hate, that evil. And they are funded by the biggest corporations, companies that are absolutely determined to continue outsourcing US jobs for their own short term profits, like Amazon.

It’s frightening me too. I see them selling hate for America. And people who hate America will try to burn it down. Maybe they don’t see it, or maybe they think it’s worth it. But for us average citizens this is frightening.

My guess that what the feds are doing in Portland is creating an ANTIFA and rioter data base. ANTIFA use the tactic of anonymity to hide among 'peaceful protestors' (many of whom are following the law), desperate momentarily, commit their crimes and like the fascists they actually are commit violent crimes, then blend back in the crowd. Later they move to a new site, No record, no prison time.
If the feds build a database they can start charging them with Federal crimes. Some of the perps must have shit themselves to be photographed, finger printed, maybe aretina scan etc, and realized they were already known and thus detained. Bye bye anonymity and zero accountability. Lifestyle is going to end.

thomasdong1776 says

Wanting more police enforcement against protesters is one thing. But accepting the abduction of citizens off the streets by unidentified state agents into unmarked vehicles is as grave a threat to civil liberties as it gets. If you don’t oppose that, what do you oppose?

This is what I heard...

"Whaaaaaa, waaaaa, waaaaaaa"

Wanna change the rules of the game? Game on.

Just a thought of other leftists to round up because they pose a threat to American values including Due Process: Title IX Investigators, Diversity and Inclusion Personnel.
The left do not believe in fairness, justice, due process, or traditional notions of fair play. To them, these are all tools of White Supremacy.

If only retarded Progressive Mayors and Governors did their jobs....


*If radicals feel emboldened, that’s because Portland has long allowed political violence to occur with impunity. In recent years dueling marches by Antifa and far-right activists have descended into brawling, and too often police have done little to stop it. Assaults have gone unpunished, including a violent attack on journalist Andy Ngo. Portland Police admit that they sometimes simply walk away from protests—er, strategically disengage.

In early June Mayor Ted Wheeler told police to refrain from using tear gas unless there’s “violence that threatens life safety.” Federal Judge Marco Hernandez also issued an injunction prohibiting the use of tear gas “to disperse crowds where there is no or little risk of injury.” And on June 30, Oregon Gov. Kate Brown signed legislation that bans tear gas unless police declare a riot…

Critics have complained that federal agents obscure their identity and operate out of unmarked cars. Officers legitimately fear being identified by name and harassed at home, and their superiors have sometimes allowed them to obscure nameplates while still displaying their patches and badge numbers.

Meanwhile, protesters routinely dress in identical “black bloc” attire and obscure their faces. They’ve made a habit of swarming officers who attempt an arrest, creating chaos, and helping the suspect disappear."
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-mess-in-portland-11595286956

Here's a thought, if those assholes rights were actually violated, let them sue and let them collect a big fat payday. It's all on film! Is that going to happen? Doubtful. The feds have these people on video breaking the law. So they come around in an unmarked car when they aren't in a crowd and arrest the person without the use of force. You don't like it because they don't have to beat back 10 people with sticks while doing so. Now the crowd can't claim police brutality.

thomasdong1776 says

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a33347230/portland-oregon-protesters-detained/

You and the articles you cite state “protestors”. It is demonstrably false that all participating are only protesting. There is ample video and photographic evidence of violent crimes committed.

Why are you comfortable with the lie of labeling the arrestees as “protestors”. Do you think it’s moral to lie if the lie benefits your political point of view?

#cancel unmarked copcars! #cancel police surveillance! #cancel arresting criminals!

Am I accepted into team BLM now?

Can someone explain how unmarked police cars, surveillance, and arresting criminals when they commit a crime is somehow a problem?

Interesting title construction. It appears to presuppose that the reader was completely nonplussed about the riots, looting, vandalism, and mayhem the police and "unmarked agents" are responding to.

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Yes, libertarians are freaking out.

Libertarians count on the local and state police to protect individual rights including property rights, and ensure the streets are free of vandalizing, rioting and disorder.

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CBOEtrader says

Can someone explain how unmarked police cars, surveillance, and arresting criminals when they commit a crime is somehow a problem?

Well there's the fact that they....... NO! The answer is no.

thomasdong1776 says

you ask that question of Trump? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/13/donald-trump-20000-false-or-misleading-claims

which of these claims do you feel are both politically advantagous and factually incorrect? "burgers stacked to the moon"?

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

There is ample video and photographic evidence of violent crimes committed.

If you tagged along as 10 dudes set a house on fire, you would be arrested as an accomplice to arson. They MAY NOT indict you depending on level of involvement, but you'd definitely be arrested just standing there as part of the group. Simply driving the arsons to the house w prior knowledge of their violent intent, and viola, you'd be guilty of conspiracy to commit arson. Its possible youd be found guilty just for tagging along IF you knew about the violent intent.

How is a riot different? These "peaceful" protesters KNOW FOR A FACT they are providing cover for felony intent. Even if the idiots pulling down the statue are only 10% of the crowd, everyone is guilty of a lessor crime.

Inscription on the Federal Courthouse in downtown Portland:
The boisterous sea of liberty is never without a wave. -Thomas Jefferson
The Edge of All-Out War
On July 4th, Portland’s thirty-ninth consecutive night of protests, more than a thousand people assembled in front of the Justice Center and Federal Courthouse downtown. They began launching dozens of commercial-grade fireworks into the concrete facades of both buildings, prompting a response from the police and federal agents inside both buildings.
What followed resembled nothing so much as a medieval siege. The windows of both government buildings had been covered in plywood weeks ago, after the first riots. Officers inside fired out through murder holes cut in the plywood, pumping rubber bullets, pepper balls and foam rounds into the crowd, while the crowd formed phalanxes of shield-bearers to protect the men and women launching fireworks back in response. Federal agents dumped tear gas into the street, but Portland’s frontline activists had long since lost their fear of gas. The feds and the police were eventually forced to sally out with batons to drive the crowd back.
I reported on the fighting in Mosul back in 2017, and what happened that night in the streets of Portland was, of course, not nearly as brutal or dangerous as actual combat. Yet it was about as close as you can get without using live ammunition. At times, dozens of flash-bangs and fireworks would detonate within feet of us over the course of a few minutes. My ears rang for days afterwards. My hands shook. I could not write for days.

thomasdong1776 says

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

Do you think it’s moral to lie if the lie benefits your political point of view?

Do you ask that question of Trump? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/13/donald-trump-20000-false-or-misleading-claims

You didn’t answer the question.

wong again thomas!

Is anyone still a libertarian? I think conservatives have already absorbed the best ideas of that movement, let gay people fuck each other.

The rest of it at this point is pussyfooting around the fact that the lgtbqi+BLM want to kill white people and not wanting to take a side.

He was murdered by another rival men’s rights activist (anti-feminist). Then that same guy killed a judges son and shot her husband. Then the loser, with tons of issues, offed himself.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/07/22/us/hollander-angelucci-judge-salas-shooting/index.html

How’s that fit into your violent leftist narrative?

Roy Den Hollander...anti-feminist, pro- trump, mysogynist... sounds leftist to me!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/614425/