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thomasdong1776 says

Wanting more police enforcement against protesters is one thing. But accepting the abduction of citizens off the streets by unidentified state agents into unmarked vehicles is as grave a threat to civil liberties as it gets. If you don’t oppose that, what do you oppose?

How about getting fired from your job because of Youtube comments? How about being fined for misgendering a tranny? How about being forced to attend socio-political indoctrination struggle sessions by every Government and Fortune 500 employer?

Those are far, far more likely to occur to the average Libertarian than to be nabbed for throwing a molotov cocktail at a Pizza Hut during a Riot/Protest.

These aren't abductions. They are arrests. The reason the liberal media is freaking out is because the city of Portland can't just wipe away the charges anymore.

TrumpingTits says

Libertarians? They fucked themselves totally when their candidate announced full Libertarian sucky sucky of BLM cock.

Who was that?

Patrick says

The old lady across the street from me is stockpiling canned food because she thinks the leftists are going to do something much bigger when Trump wins again.

She is quite likely right.

I would not be at all surprised if leftists resort to mass murder to try to destabilize the US, or even a nuke.

Leftist are really that full of hate, that evil. And they are funded by the biggest corporations, companies that are absolutely determined to continue outsourcing US jobs for their own short term profits, like Amazon.

It’s frightening me too. I see them selling hate for America. And people who hate America will try to burn it down. Maybe they don’t see it, or maybe they think it’s worth it. But for us average citizens this is frightening.

My guess that what the feds are doing in Portland is creating an ANTIFA and rioter data base. ANTIFA use the tactic of anonymity to hide among 'peaceful protestors' (many of whom are following the law), desperate momentarily, commit their crimes and like the fascists they actually are commit violent crimes, then blend back in the crowd. Later they move to a new site, No record, no prison time.
If the feds build a database they can start charging them with Federal crimes. Some of the perps must have shit themselves to be photographed, finger printed, maybe aretina scan etc, and realized they were already known and thus detained. Bye bye anonymity and zero accountability. Lifestyle is going to end.

thomasdong1776 says

Wanting more police enforcement against protesters is one thing. But accepting the abduction of citizens off the streets by unidentified state agents into unmarked vehicles is as grave a threat to civil liberties as it gets. If you don’t oppose that, what do you oppose?

This is what I heard...

"Whaaaaaa, waaaaa, waaaaaaa"

Wanna change the rules of the game? Game on.

Just a thought of other leftists to round up because they pose a threat to American values including Due Process: Title IX Investigators, Diversity and Inclusion Personnel.
The left do not believe in fairness, justice, due process, or traditional notions of fair play. To them, these are all tools of White Supremacy.

If only retarded Progressive Mayors and Governors did their jobs....


*If radicals feel emboldened, that’s because Portland has long allowed political violence to occur with impunity. In recent years dueling marches by Antifa and far-right activists have descended into brawling, and too often police have done little to stop it. Assaults have gone unpunished, including a violent attack on journalist Andy Ngo. Portland Police admit that they sometimes simply walk away from protests—er, strategically disengage.

In early June Mayor Ted Wheeler told police to refrain from using tear gas unless there’s “violence that threatens life safety.” Federal Judge Marco Hernandez also issued an injunction prohibiting the use of tear gas “to disperse crowds where there is no or little risk of injury.” And on June 30, Oregon Gov. Kate Brown signed legislation that bans tear gas unless police declare a riot…

Critics have complained that federal agents obscure their identity and operate out of unmarked cars. Officers legitimately fear being identified by name and harassed at home, and their superiors have sometimes allowed them to obscure nameplates while still displaying their patches and badge numbers.

Meanwhile, protesters routinely dress in identical “black bloc” attire and obscure their faces. They’ve made a habit of swarming officers who attempt an arrest, creating chaos, and helping the suspect disappear."
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-mess-in-portland-11595286956

Here's a thought, if those assholes rights were actually violated, let them sue and let them collect a big fat payday. It's all on film! Is that going to happen? Doubtful. The feds have these people on video breaking the law. So they come around in an unmarked car when they aren't in a crowd and arrest the person without the use of force. You don't like it because they don't have to beat back 10 people with sticks while doing so. Now the crowd can't claim police brutality.

thomasdong1776 says

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a33347230/portland-oregon-protesters-detained/

You and the articles you cite state “protestors”. It is demonstrably false that all participating are only protesting. There is ample video and photographic evidence of violent crimes committed.

Why are you comfortable with the lie of labeling the arrestees as “protestors”. Do you think it’s moral to lie if the lie benefits your political point of view?

#cancel unmarked copcars! #cancel police surveillance! #cancel arresting criminals!

Am I accepted into team BLM now?

Can someone explain how unmarked police cars, surveillance, and arresting criminals when they commit a crime is somehow a problem?

Interesting title construction. It appears to presuppose that the reader was completely nonplussed about the riots, looting, vandalism, and mayhem the police and "unmarked agents" are responding to.

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Yes, libertarians are freaking out.

Libertarians count on the local and state police to protect individual rights including property rights, and ensure the streets are free of vandalizing, rioting and disorder.

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CBOEtrader says

Can someone explain how unmarked police cars, surveillance, and arresting criminals when they commit a crime is somehow a problem?

Well there's the fact that they....... NO! The answer is no.

thomasdong1776 says

you ask that question of Trump? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/13/donald-trump-20000-false-or-misleading-claims

which of these claims do you feel are both politically advantagous and factually incorrect? "burgers stacked to the moon"?

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

There is ample video and photographic evidence of violent crimes committed.

If you tagged along as 10 dudes set a house on fire, you would be arrested as an accomplice to arson. They MAY NOT indict you depending on level of involvement, but you'd definitely be arrested just standing there as part of the group. Simply driving the arsons to the house w prior knowledge of their violent intent, and viola, you'd be guilty of conspiracy to commit arson. Its possible youd be found guilty just for tagging along IF you knew about the violent intent.

How is a riot different? These "peaceful" protesters KNOW FOR A FACT they are providing cover for felony intent. Even if the idiots pulling down the statue are only 10% of the crowd, everyone is guilty of a lessor crime.

Inscription on the Federal Courthouse in downtown Portland:
The boisterous sea of liberty is never without a wave. -Thomas Jefferson
The Edge of All-Out War
On July 4th, Portland’s thirty-ninth consecutive night of protests, more than a thousand people assembled in front of the Justice Center and Federal Courthouse downtown. They began launching dozens of commercial-grade fireworks into the concrete facades of both buildings, prompting a response from the police and federal agents inside both buildings.
What followed resembled nothing so much as a medieval siege. The windows of both government buildings had been covered in plywood weeks ago, after the first riots. Officers inside fired out through murder holes cut in the plywood, pumping rubber bullets, pepper balls and foam rounds into the crowd, while the crowd formed phalanxes of shield-bearers to protect the men and women launching fireworks back in response. Federal agents dumped tear gas into the street, but Portland’s frontline activists had long since lost their fear of gas. The feds and the police were eventually forced to sally out with batons to drive the crowd back.
I reported on the fighting in Mosul back in 2017, and what happened that night in the streets of Portland was, of course, not nearly as brutal or dangerous as actual combat. Yet it was about as close as you can get without using live ammunition. At times, dozens of flash-bangs and fireworks would detonate within feet of us over the course of a few minutes. My ears rang for days afterwards. My hands shook. I could not write for days.

thomasdong1776 says

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

Do you think it’s moral to lie if the lie benefits your political point of view?

Do you ask that question of Trump? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/13/donald-trump-20000-false-or-misleading-claims

You didn’t answer the question.

wong again thomas!

Is anyone still a libertarian? I think conservatives have already absorbed the best ideas of that movement, let gay people fuck each other.

The rest of it at this point is pussyfooting around the fact that the lgtbqi+BLM want to kill white people and not wanting to take a side.

He was murdered by another rival men’s rights activist (anti-feminist). Then that same guy killed a judges son and shot her husband. Then the loser, with tons of issues, offed himself.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/07/22/us/hollander-angelucci-judge-salas-shooting/index.html

How’s that fit into your violent leftist narrative?

Roy Den Hollander...anti-feminist, pro- trump, mysogynist... sounds leftist to me!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/614425/

BoomAndBustCycle says

He was murdered by another rival men’s rights activist (anti-feminist). Then that same guy killed a judges son and shot her husband. Then the loser, with tons of issues, offed himself.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/07/22/us/hollander-angelucci-judge-salas-shooting/index.html

How’s that fit into your violent leftist narrative?

Yep, and Seth Rich was killed in a random robbery where the killers forgot to take his wallet.

The thing that got my spidey sense tingling was that they both were working on Selective Service cases, so I wasn't as surprised when this news emerged -- yet still pretty shocking!

No, the murderers are violent leftists and feminists who demand that men's rights remain inferior to women's rights.

They'll kill you too, Apo, if you try to defend men's rights.

OP Be like:


ignoreme says

Is anyone still a libertarian? I think conservatives have already absorbed the best ideas of that movement, let gay people fuck each other.

Pretty much. The whole "Let colleges and private corporate media be woke, it won't matter in the long run and besides freedom of the press and free marketplace" didn't work out so well. Really the past 20 years basically disproved the whole Open Borders and Don't worry about public culture and morality at all, market will fix it all thesis.

Check out CATO - it's all Wailing and Gnashing of the Teeth over Fed Police.

I guess 'abduction' is the new PC word for 'arrested for cause'. Moral relativism is wonderful.

https://babylonbee.com/news/how-to-identify-a-peaceful-protester

thomasdong1776 says

Wanting more police enforcement against protesters is one thing. But accepting the abduction of citizens off the streets by unidentified state agents into unmarked vehicles is as grave a threat to civil liberties as it gets. If you don’t oppose that, what do you oppose?

There is no requirement in the manner someone is arrested. As long as the legal requirements of miranda rights are given and they are told what they are charged with, I don't care if the vehicle is marked or unmarked, or what attire the agent is wearing.

This is what courts are for, and if a judge decides that procedure wasn't followed, there will certainly be financial compensation for the inconvenience. We can't broad brush some requirement that someone can't be arrested because we don't approve of the car or the lack of a uniform. A badge is all that is needed imo.

Scum like this needs to get lost in transport. IMHO.

I think Liberals have been skewing what has actually happened throughout History when shit stirrers are dealt with by Governments.

I'll tell my grand kids "Well they probably got what they deserved" When they come home from school telling me about some historical event they learned in school.

I think they are providing these fools with drugs to keep them stoked and oblivious. That navy vet who stood like a post while being hit showed no pain, that is highly unnatural.

"Consider amphetamines: They fueled the activities of German, Japanese and Allied soldiers during World War II. Or opium, for which the British government went to war — twice — with China. Against China’s express wishes and laws, Britain shipped vast quantities of opium grown in South Asia to China"

https://babylonbee.com/news/federal-secret-police-disguise-selves-as-rioters-so-democrat-mayors-will-let-them-do-whatever-they-want

Ah good catch, I didn't see that Coin, I'll add it to my Trump Coin Collection.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/reagan-foundation-asks-trump-and-rnc-to-stop-fundraising-off-former-presidents-name

LOL this story is more hilarious than I realized. The RINO never Trump but hurters are hijacking Ronald Reagan's ghost and doing their ventriloquist routine forbidding Trump from putting the 40's President's likeness on a commemorative coin. LOL Ronald Reagan the Estate of the Actor, has no legal say in who uses the likeness of Public Official.

This is dumber than the Musicians who are pissed off because Trump license their music for his events, they don't get to cherry pick their playback audience. Dipshits, the whole lot of them.

Disinherited relatives are the worst.

Wow, no proof of what you just wrote, huh?

And the other doctors who presented had mail order degrees from a Nigerian podiatry school! CNN reported this!

She's black and from Africa so it must be true. Only Liberals can stereotype people, especially when they are losing an election.

Tenpoundbass says

She's black and from Africa so it must be true. Only Liberals can stereotype people, especially when they are losing an election.

Yep, classic case of “othering” by our resident Dong. You know they’ll revoke your “woke” card for that kind of shit, right?

https://www.bitchute.com/video/9nmgGgQCpykB/

Here’s the video. Judge for yourself. Don’t let this dangling Dong tell you what to think.