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@DonewithDebate I admire you for pointing out that Sikhs can be corrupt too.

This happens with every close-knit ethnic group.

The IRA degenerated into organized crime, and so some of it split off into various other factions which tried to remain true to the cause of liberating the whole of Ireland from English rule.

Some Irish immigrants were also very much involved in corrupt politics and organized crime in the US.

Patrick says

@DonewithDebate I admire you for pointing out that Sikhs can be corrupt too.

This happens with every close-knit ethnic group.

The IRA degenerated into organized crime, and so some of it split off into various other factions which tried to remain true to the cause of liberating the whole of Ireland from English rule.

Some Irish immigrants were also very much involved in corrupt politics and organized crime in the US.

Sikhs typically don't like illegal behavior in their community.
It is very small community with no "real power" other than "creating goodwill" in general population.

It is good to be on your "best behavior" and then you have some credibility to fight real discrimination if and when it happens.
I only like the upright and defender of weak image of community.

All the articles I shared including this one are written by Sikhs. They know that "bad" image or illegal behavior will really tarnish the image of general Sikh population.

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/guest-column-drug-smuggling-has-become-a-problem-for-canadas-punjabis
GUEST COLUMN: Drug smuggling has become a problem for Canada's Punjabis
......
Our families have worked hard and have started living well, all by respectable work. We have gained lots of respect in Canadian society. After just about a hundred years of hard work from our elders, we have been able to achieve strong positions in countries such as Canada. But if someone wants to spoil the image, it’s a game of minutes.
It is the advice of our gurus that without hunger and patience, hunger does not end. Money, profit, and popularity lead us astray.
In countries like Canada, we enjoy a variety of conveniences. Human rights and laws give us protection. We are mostly safe from all forms of discrimination. But if we get involved in illegal trades it not only destroys the lives of individuals, but it also causes embarrassment for the entire Sikh community.

https://barnabasfund.org/news/anti-christian-violence-in-india-stems-from-environment-of-targeted-hate/
There were 145 recorded incidents of religious persecution against Christians in Hindu-majority India in the first half of 2021, including murders of pastors and attacks on churches, according to the Evangelical Fellowship of India (EFI).

Christians in “state of shock and fear”

In February, a church youth leader and around 30 Christians were summoned by religious radicals to a meeting in Tezpur city in Assam state, where they were warned that, if they did not leave their Christian faith, they would lose their government jobs as cleaners and sweepers.

“The Christians are now in a state of shock and fear,” said the EFI. “Despite their best efforts to seek police intervention, no help has arrived.”

The EFI urged the Indian government to introduce national legislation against targeted and communal violence against Christians.

In a series of recommendations, it also called on state governments to repeal their “unconstitutional” Freedom of Religion laws that, it said, are being misused to “harass and create trouble for the religious minorities”.

Christians in India are increasingly the victims of “myths” and “false narratives” propagated by extremist organisations such as Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) and Vishva Hindu Parishad (VHP), while churches have also been devastated by the highly infectious strain of Covid-19 which has overwhelmed India.

DonewithDebate says

In February, a church youth leader and around 30 Christians were summoned by religious radicals to a meeting in Tezpur city in Assam state, where they were warned that, if they did not leave their Christian faith, they would lose their government jobs as cleaners and sweepers.

Good for Assam.

indc says

Good for Assam.

Aaaaaand there’s the reason Indians are the most racist and classist people on planet Earth. Congrats on being a huge bigot and sociopath!

Shaman says

indc says

Good for Assam.

Aaaaaand there’s the reason Indians are the most racist and classist people on planet Earth. Congrats on being a huge bigot and sociopath!

I think Hindooo cult losing grip on population with Christian money flowing freely and they are lashing out.
At ground level Hindooo cult is not liked at all and can only keep disgruntled masses in by using political force.

You know, I never really asked: what do Hindus even believe? Is there a code of ethics behind it?

I read a few Hindu materials when I was younger, but it really just seemed like a bizarre mashup of Marvel comics and Greek mythological tales. They even still have a formal class system, if I'm not mistaken. Or are they really just afraid of multiarmed androgyne Gods smiting them for being bad?

Yes, I'm seriously asking. Anyone with genuine information is appreciated.

DhammaStep says

You know, I never really asked: what do Hindus even believe? Is there a code of ethics behind it?

I read a few Hindu materials when I was younger, but it really just seemed like a bizarre mashup of Marvel comics and Greek mythological tales. They even still have a formal class system, if I'm not mistaken. Or are they really just afraid of multiarmed androgyne Gods smiting them for being bad?

Yes, I'm seriously asking. Anyone with genuine information is appreciated.

Hindooo just picked up Bharti culture which worships nature.As the nature can have many aspects so different Gods represent different aspects of nature.. Like Gods of creation,destruction , nurturing .. or of Fire,water etc.

The purpose of Hindooo cult is to serve masters and keep their owners happy by dividing and demoralizing the Bhartis.
As a philosophy Hindoo will oppose anything that unites people against tyranny and support anything that servers tyranny... while giving lip service to Bharati culture.

It is like current globalists as they can copt anything that serves their control over masses and will oppose liberty of masses.

Shaman says

indc says

Good for Assam.

Aaaaaand there’s the reason Indians are the most racist and classist people on planet Earth. Congrats on being a huge bigot and sociopath!

I am sure this will not enter your thick head. But let me still explain how things work in India. These govt jobs are reserved for specific group of people. i.e part of a hindu-caste for lack of better word. Once someone converts they are kicked out of that group and lose that privilege. So instead of kicking them out of those jobs they gave them the option of converting back to that caste or make room for someone from that caste.

If they still want to be christians they can still look for other jobs.

DhammaStep says

You know, I never really asked: what do Hindus even believe? Is there a code of ethics behind it?

I read a few Hindu materials when I was younger, but it really just seemed like a bizarre mashup of Marvel comics and Greek mythological tales. They even still have a formal class system, if I'm not mistaken. Or are they really just afraid of multiarmed androgyne Gods smiting them for being bad?

Yes, I'm seriously asking. Anyone with genuine information is appreciated.

That is a very good question. If you really want to understand Hinduism read Bagvad-gita and I think iskcon center can give it for free. My bet is whatever you read when you were young is from a white-christian authors and those translations and explanations are just their own perceptions.

Maybe be try this:
https://asitis.com/

People try to quote manu-smrithi as hindu's book. Which it is not.

indc says

These govt jobs are reserved for specific group of people. i.e part of a hindu-caste for lack of better word. Once someone converts they are kicked out of that group and lose that privilege.

My initial statement is made 100% stronger by your statement. You are a racist, classist bigot and so are all of your kind. There’s a reason that Hitler admired the Hindu cult.

I can't wait till they finally rid America of all The Guns so we can only go at each other with ACID like the Indians or Knives like our British cousins.

Shaman says

indc says

These govt jobs are reserved for specific group of people. i.e part of a hindu-caste for lack of better word. Once someone converts they are kicked out of that group and lose that privilege.

My initial statement is made 100% stronger by your statement. You are a racist, classist bigot and so are all of your kind. There’s a reason that Hitler admired the Hindu cult.

@Shaman
The core purpose of Hindooo is "discrimination" .. What else can you expect?
As I said before only the political wall/lack of opportunity is keeping masses from leaving that cult.. Once unshackled Hindoo cult is done deal.
$1T can get 500 million Hindooo to convert to Christians.. Millions are ready to stick it to cult once someone provide them livelihood.
What is Vatican waiting for?

Shaman says

indc says

These govt jobs are reserved for specific group of people. i.e part of a hindu-caste for lack of better word. Once someone converts they are kicked out of that group and lose that privilege.

My initial statement is made 100% stronger by your statement. You are a racist, classist bigot and so are all of your kind. There’s a reason that Hitler admired the Hindu cult.

Ok, maybe I need to give you more clarification. These jobs are nothing but giving money to "oppressed" castes. People even bribes to get these jobs. People from other castes cant even get these jobs.

I too dont like this. I hate these caste discrimination policies of the govt. But any govt which try to remove these caste based reservations loose power in next election cycle.

Since it is still part of the constitution, I think people should follow it. Just like you are ready to take up a AR to defend your 2nd amendment right.

In a way, the Hindu system of class is elegantly effective. You automatically know in what class/caste you belong. You’re born into it and can’t leave. Frustrated by this? Well, let’s wave some mystical BS wand about and talk about karma and reincarnation. If you’re a really good little sewer cleaner in this life, maybe you can move up from Dalit to … something slightly higher in the next life. Maybe you could be that guy who sells roasted dog meat alongside the street! Ah, hope!
Meanwhile, the rigid class system means that the rulers don’t have to worry about popular uprisings. Participants in such would incur terrible karma and probably be reborn as stink bugs. It’s terribly convenient for those at the top! It might be the absolute best system for ensuring generational tyranny, and in fact has been working for thousands of years!
As bad ideas go, the Hindu system is absolutely AWESOME for dictators, tyrants, and monarchs!

If only those pesky British hadn’t interfered with their infecting ideas about class mobility, peaceful resistance to tyranny, human rights, and Christianity! India would still be exactly the same as it was 5,000 years ago!

Shaman says

As bad ideas go, the Hindu system is absolutely AWESOME for dictators, tyrants, and monarchs!

Ah, I never thought too deeply about Hinduism as a religion. I always thought it sounded personally a far better religion vs Christianity where you get one shot to avoid eternal hell. I always liked the chance at re-inventing yourself in the next life. But all religion is a tool for the elites to control the masses. It also helps keep people in line and in the upside deal with immense grief. Fear of eternal painful hell for being bad on earth is a powerful tool. I always liked the idea of a fresh start and a finite end to pain and suffering vs dooming people to eternal hell. Heaven also seems difficult to fathom with “hedonistic adaptation” making it impossible to be eternally happy… or eternally in pain for that matter.

Anyone notice this guy never says one single thing about Muslims in India, that gang rape, poison weddings, chops off heads, and acid burns people, and the honor killings of their female relatives?

Know what the reward is for work well done?
More work. Usually more important work.

Why should the soul be any different if indeed cosmic forces conspire to sort us into categories of good and evil, constructive and destructive?

I sort of like the idea of reincarnation for that reason. People who live an imperfect life could be forced to do a “do-over.” Without knowledge of their previous life, of course. Just to see if their soul could be improved with another try at being a good person.
After all, if the soul exists, and there is plenty of anecdotal evidence to suggest that it does, it’s more likely to be a fractured particle of the Divine than a completely independent chunk of metaphysical ectoplasm. So when the soul is ejected from a host body, it goes back to the Divine, which can then either keep it close or send it to experience Creation once more.

After all, an omnipotent God would (by definition) not be limited by the rules and constraints of His own Creation! So how could He experience it? Only by releasing a particle of Himself to be placed in a limited piece of that Creation. Powerless, yet powerful at once, human beings stride this backwater portion of the universe, striving for power and love, unaware we are already powerful and loved. We just have to realize the Truth of what and who we actually are.

Tenpoundbass says

Anyone notice this guy never says one single thing about Muslims in India, that gang rape, poison weddings, chops off heads, and acid burns people, and the honor killings of their female relatives?

@Tenpoundbass
Muslims don't run Bharat, They run Pakistan.
Muslims can only be blamed for pathetic condition of that country including violation of rights of minorities.

https://www.vaticannews.va/en/world/news/2020-08/pakistan-national-minorities-day.html
Pakistan’s minorities continue to suffer discrimination
Pakistan on August 11 observed the National Minorities Day to honour the services and sacrifices rendered by the country’s religious minorities for the country. However, minorities in the Muslim-majority country continue to face discrimination.

indc says

Shaman says

indc says

These govt jobs are reserved for specific group of people. i.e part of a hindu-caste for lack of better word. Once someone converts they are kicked out of that group and lose that privilege.

My initial statement is made 100% stronger by your statement. You are a racist, classist bigot and so are all of your kind. There’s a reason that Hitler admired the Hindu cult.

Ok, maybe I need to give you more clarification. These jobs are nothing but giving money to "oppressed" castes. People even bribes to get these jobs. People from other castes cant even get these jobs.

I too dont like this. I hate these caste discrimination policies of the govt. But any govt which try to remove these caste based reservations loose power in next election cycle.

Since it is still part of the co...

Why only reservation for Hindooo lower castes?
Once they become "Christians" and leave the cult of their oppressors, It is not like discriminatory past goes away.
Christians are forced to call themselves Hindooo in a fear to lose monetary benefits only reserved for Hindoo using religious discrimination.
India being extremely poor( 80% live under $2 a day and without toilets) , Money is hard to come by.
Poor people should be allowed to get benefit from both Vatican money and compensation for Hindoo discrimination.
https://hindupost.in/dharma-religion/andhra-pradesh-is-25-christian-now/

DonewithDebate says

@Tenpoundbass
Muslims don't run Bharat, They run Pakistan.
Muslims can only be blamed for pathetic condition of that country including violation of rights of minorities.

Really, how many mosques did Indian govt demolish? And how many temples did Indian govt demolish.

You just list all the rapes happening in India. But do you ever list who the perpetrators are?

Recently you shared a news of 14yr old raped in Maharastra. But you did not say the girl was a Dalit and she was lured by a muslim and raped by 13-14 muslims in span of 5 days.

DonewithDebate says

Christians are forced to call themselves Hindooo in a fear to lose monetary benefits only reserved for Hindoo using religious discrimination.
India being extremely poor( 80% live under $2 a day and without toilets) , Money is hard to come by.
Poor people should be allowed to get benefit from both Vatican money and compensation for Hindoo discrimination.

The premise is once you convert you will not be discriminated anymore. So you get fresh start and dont have to live of dole from govt. If Vatican wants to feed them to keep their flock hindus do not mind. But if tax money is given to them then why do present hindus give money to them.

The lower castes can get money from upper caste ancestors. The present generation did not oppress them why should their tax money be used to feed the lower castes. All the upper castes started from "zero" after independence because Indian govt took control of big land holders.

indc says

DonewithDebate says

Christians are forced to call themselves Hindooo in a fear to lose monetary benefits only reserved for Hindoo using religious discrimination.
India being extremely poor( 80% live under $2 a day and without toilets) , Money is hard to come by.
Poor people should be allowed to get benefit from both Vatican money and compensation for Hindoo discrimination.

The premise is once you convert you will not be discriminated anymore. So you get fresh start and dont have to live of dole from govt. If Vatican wants to feed them to keep their flock hindus do not mind. But if tax money is given to them then why do present hindus give money to them.

The lower castes can get money from upper caste ancestors. The present generation did not oppress them why should their tax money be used to feed the lower castes. All the upper castes started from "zero" after independence because In...

Hindooo run Bharat. They are responsible for human rights of minorities.
I won't accept any "Hindooo fault" in Pakistan as they don't run the country.

I do agree.. Pakistan Wahhabi are worse than Hindoo cult for criminality and violating human rights of minorities.
You can blame Muslims all you want for malaise in Pakistan... and I will agree.

indc says

DonewithDebate says

Christians are forced to call themselves Hindooo in a fear to lose monetary benefits only reserved for Hindoo using religious discrimination.
India being extremely poor( 80% live under $2 a day and without toilets) , Money is hard to come by.
Poor people should be allowed to get benefit from both Vatican money and compensation for Hindoo discrimination.

The premise is once you convert you will not be discriminated anymore. So you get fresh start and dont have to live of dole from govt. If Vatican wants to feed them to keep their flock hindus do not mind. But if tax money is given to them then why do present hindus give money to them.

The lower castes can get money from upper caste ancestors. The present generation did not oppress them why should their tax money be used to feed the lower castes. All the upper castes started from "zero" after independence because In...

Vatican money is too little.
The rules are already in place to provide them benefits based on their discrimination in past, Switching to Christians shouldn't stop benefits.
Do you accept that "present hindooo still discriminates" ? ... once in Christianity discrimination stops?.. If yes then why present hindoo generation is not responsible for caste discrimination?

Dholliday126 says

DonewithDebate says

The rules are already in place to provide them benefits based on their discrimination in past, Switching to Christians shouldn't stop benefits.
Do you accept that "present hindooo still discriminates" ? ... once in Christianity discrimination stops?.. If yes then why present hindoo generation is not responsible for caste discrimination?

Yes there are rules once you convert, you will loose the benefits.
No there is no discrimination right now. In fact there is reverse discrimination. But dont take my word check the Pew research.

Here is the link if you want to check:
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/06/29/key-findings-about-religion-in-india/

Members of lower caste groups historically have faced discrimination and unequal economic opportunities, but the survey finds that most people – including most members of lower castes – say there is not a lot of caste discrimination in India.

indc says

DonewithDebate says

The rules are already in place to provide them benefits based on their discrimination in past, Switching to Christians shouldn't stop benefits.
Do you accept that "present hindooo still discriminates" ? ... once in Christianity discrimination stops?.. If yes then why present hindoo generation is not responsible for caste discrimination?

Yes there are rules once you convert, you will loose the benefits.
No there is no discrimination right now. In fact there is reverse discrimination. But dont take my word check the Pew research.

Here is the link if you want to check:
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/06/29/key-findings-about-religion-in-india/

Members of lower caste groups historically have faced discrimination and ...

I will take your word for all you said.
If the "benefits" are based on past crimes, Why do they arbitrarily stop if person changes religion?
Person should be allowed to take both "Reparations" and new Vatican benefits.... as even after this, He/She still would have very poor existence.

DonewithDebate says

If the "benefits" are based on past crimes, Why do they arbitrarily stop if person changes religion?
Person should be allowed to take both "Reparations" and new Vatican benefits.... as even after this, He/She still would have very poor existence.

Brother asked a good question.

According to Indian constitution, minority religionists i.e. muslims, christians and sikhs cannot get "reparation" benefits since these religions have in-built equality according to their scriptures.

They did not think that people converting would still need those benefits.

And second point. These reparations were supposed to end 1-2 generation after independence. i.e they should have stop them by 1990's. But once people get free dole it is difficult to wean them away from it.

For the reverse discrimination i stated above:

https://www.opindia.com/2021/07/qatar-based-indian-phd-scholar-says-false-sc-st-case-filed-against-her-by-nagarjuna-university-professor-who-used-to-harass-her-online/

indc says

Brother asked a good question.

According to Indian constitution, minority religionists i.e. muslims, christians and sikhs cannot get "reparation" benefits since these religions have in-built equality according to their scriptures.

They did not think that people converting would still need those benefits.

And second point. These reparations were supposed to end 1-2 generation after independence. i.e they should have stop them by 1990's. But once people get free dole it is difficult to wean them away from it.

Sikhs should have equality as tried hard by Sikh gurus to end Caste system.
But It didn't end as I have seen my landlord ancestors doing discrimination with my own eyes.
I have no idea about Muslims.

If the "reparations" ends for all and Christian converters are on level field with Hindoo, Then we can say no discrimination by state.
Whether they should end after certain time is different issues not debated here.

Great strategy. All the Sikhs want to leave Hindooo land. This is great perk.
Does Canada have enough Visas for 20M+ Sikhs?

https://twitter.com/harishrajguru19/status/1437418964779368451
#PunjabConversionMafia
Offering Canada visa to punjabis seems to be the top most priority by the conversion mafia in Punjab Face with tears of joy

#PunjabConversionMafia

I agree.

Absolutely!

Bush deliberately started a war against Iraq under false pretenses after Saudis attacked America.

He should absolutely be tried for war crimes.

West either keep to themselves or drop help if they can afford..
Once they do this they will have no moral responsibility to take refugees.. Who agrees?

Yup. Guilty as charged.

However, it would be nice if justice and democracy would begin at home and it's been missing in action for a while, too.

Absolutely, but they are under the wing of globalists so media left and right will never go after them.

agree

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