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humanity says

I'm not saying manipulation doesn't happen. I think that the money markets
are manipulated a little with QE. And there was a time when Gold and Silver were
manipulated by the hunt brothers. But they had their heads handed to them.

How about when upgrades/downgrades on stocks are issued? Manipulation? I think they should be banned from doing this.

You are not a software engineer, thus have no qualifications to comment on this subject.
500 million lines of code is easy to achieve through inheritance, canned classes and objects that are bought 3 party to achieve rapid code development.
Unfortunately, this is at the cost of security and throughput.

bob2356 says

SoftShell says

So by your own sarcastic volition everything you say must be false.

bob2356 says

Oh of course I forgot, it's on the web so it has to be true.

No, that's a very poor read of what I said. I don't believe in things that come from an obscure anonomous reference to be engraved in stone especially when they seem very unlikely. Even when someone puts them up in a very nice looking chart.

It's called skepticism, something that somehow seems to be lost when dealing with the internet. Maybe there are 500 million lines of code, but I don't know that and neither do you so your assertions that having 500 million lines of code is the problem are meaningless.

CaptainShuddup says

"Obama won and we "ALL" lost."

PhRMA did not loose. ACA passed with no re-import provision and they have millions of new customers headed their way, many with tax dollars in hand.

The gun industry and NRA did not loose. Background checks (required for all sales from dealers) are up 66% since Obama was elected and all ten of the record setting sales weeks followed his announcements of anti-gun schemes. NRA membership now totals 5 million.

General Motors and AIG won big. The real estate industry is doing far better than it would have without Obama's assistance appointing fed governors who buy $40B/month of their mortgage backed securities, keep interest rates down, and keep property prices up.

The military-industrial complex is still doing great. Even with the budget caps and sequestration we're matching the cold-war peak in real dollars.

I guess this means an end to the "STFU Dirty Hollyweird Liberals" mantra among the Conservatarian crowd.

As soon as someone in Hollywood says something conservatives like, the rule that celebrities should have no say in politics is suspended.

You might want to take this into account:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonchang/2014/01/19/mega-default-in-china-scheduled-for-january-31/

Richard and Sandra Weiner of Denville have filed suit in state Superior Court in Passaic County alleging breach of trust and fiduciary duties against Coldwell Banker of Madison and Wayne residents, and Coldwell agents, Robert Lindsay and Jeannemarie Phelan. The Weiners are seeking compensatory damages for invasion of privacy, infliction of emotional distress, breach of contract, trespass of land and other civil counts.

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Is this even real?

What the hell kind of name is Richard Weiner

bgamall4 says

You are one dumb fuck.

Great argument. You've really convinced me.

bgamall4 says

Even in the phony picture, her eyes are still smiling.

I disagree.

Boy, you really know how to talk somebody into becoming a realtor.

There are thousands of images of the kids on that day. Care to post up a few more Bgamall or would that work against your moronic narrative?

Everyone needs to take a break & ....

http://www.elyrics.net/read/j/jonathan-edwards-lyrics/shanty-lyrics.html

It's true that 95% of female real estate agents have intelligent DNA in them...

But 87% of them spit it out.

Obligatory:

bgamall4 says

The world's wealthiest people aren't known for travelling by bus

Oh yes they do! Its even a double decker!

http://www.luxist.com/2008/02/13/private-airbus-a380-to-get-a-gold-paint-job/

Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal bin Abdul Aziz al-Saud the soon-to-be owner of the first private Airbus A380 is sparing no expense to make his doubledecker toy the most fabulously extravagant jet on the planet. He spent over $300 million on the plane and is currently spending more than half that much money on customizing the jet. As we've mentioned before on this site, the jet will have a whirlpool bath and sauna, a dining room paneled in marble, a gym and a desert-themed fiber-optic mural. The most incredible touch might just be the approximately $58 million he is spending to have the plane painted in gold leaf on the outside. It not only sounds luxurious it also sounds a little dangerous if the sun bounces off it. The plane will be ready in two years, until then, the prince will have to content himself with his current ride, his own 747 jumbo jet.

Their buses just fly:

errc says

Is this even real?

What the hell kind of name is Richard Weiner

This kind:

This is the feel good section of patrick.net

FortWayne says

This is the feel good section of patrick.net

Its where your dreams come to die.

This isn't fun anymore. You're just sad, bgamall. Off to ignore-land for you.

Analyzer says

What would keep gold from falling right through the $1000 level?

It would seem to me to be purchases both in Asia and government purchases

New Renter says

You tell me.

Still waiting.

New Renter says

150k for what appears to be a nice, creek side 0.62 acre lot with utilities
available zoned for two single family units. Lot is not pancake flat but there
are several other homes along that creek that seem to have dealt with a sloped
lot.

That sounds very low to me. I'm not in the BA, but nice lots in the Midwest or Northeast run $300-400K so I can't believe you can get one in the BA for $75K. That's very low.

Hell, developers pay $300K for a house, then pay to tear it down just so they can get the lot....

Call it Crazy says

Is that a normal occurrence in Westfield??

Yep--I've seen probably 5-10 tear downs in the last 6 months just in my neighborhood (which is not considered the nicest area of town). And $300K is probably the very bottom end.

tatupu70 says

New Renter says

150k for what appears to be a nice, creek side 0.62 acre lot with utilities

available zoned for two single family units. Lot is not pancake flat but there

are several other homes along that creek that seem to have dealt with a sloped

lot.

That sounds very low to me. I'm not in the BA, but nice lots in the Midwest or Northeast run $300-400K so I can't believe you can get one in the BA for $75K. That's very low.

Hell, developers pay $300K for a house, then pay to tear it down just so they can get the lot....

I provided a link - take a look yourself.

http://www.redfin.com/CA/Orinda/0-MORAGA-Way-94563/home/50264796

A large parcel in Los Gatos sold last year for 2.4M. Sounds like a lot but the lot was 66 acres. That's only $36k/acre.

http://www.redfin.com/CA/Los-Gatos/16100-Greenridge-Ter-95032/home/17494446

Yes I understand it will need to be developed and yes some ares will be unbuildable. So the unbuildable areas become parks (or extra sized lots) while the choicest lots are built on. Lets say only half the acreage is used for houses, that's still the same price as the Orinda lot I showed.
Then there was this little gem:

http://www.redfin.com/CA/Saratoga/16981-Bohlman-Rd-95070/home/555325

Redfin has removed the pricing info but I was following it late last year.

New Renter says

Or if you are feeling lucky and want to get your hands dirty keep your eye out for little gems like this one.

http://www.redfin.com/CA/Saratoga/16981-Bohlman-Rd-95070/home/555325

This house was for sale a few months ago for $600k The price dropped to $500k a few weeks later. The description indicated the house was unsafe to enter and would require at least $350k of work to fix. The house went pending on Dec 3 ago but the deal fell through two days later. Now its off the market so who knows, the sellers might be even more motivated.

For the right (cash) buyer that could become a 4000 sqft house on 4 acres of Saratoga CA 95070 for under $1M. That's hard to beat!

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The comments had mentioned the house was unstable and would need a lot of work. Last time I looked back in December it was listed as "pending".

New Renter says

I provided a link - take a look yourself.

http://www.redfin.com/CA/Orinda/0-MORAGA-Way-94563/home/50264796

I did--I'm not familiar with the area, but it sounds like an outlier rather than market price. I only wonder if there's a reason it's priced so low...

Maybe others on here can weigh in on what a market price for a buildable lot is?

tatupu70 says

New Renter says

I provided a link - take a look yourself.

http://www.redfin.com/CA/Orinda/0-MORAGA-Way-94563/home/50264796

I did--I'm not familiar with the area, but it sounds like an outlier rather than market price. I only wonder if there's a reason it's priced so low...

Maybe others on here can weigh in on what a market price for a buildable lot is?

Well here is a 1.6 acre hillside Orinda lot for $240k

http://www.redfin.com/CA/Orinda/19-La-Encinal-94563/home/23349293

Best priced estate sized lot (1.6 acres) on this hillside hideaway w/ approved 3,457 sq. ft. 4 bed/5 bath home w/ living, dining & family rooms along w/ office & bonus room over 2 car garage & breezeway to main house in prestigous Orinda. Yearly Rd. Maint. Fee of $200.

Here's a smaller (0.40 acres) lot for $219k

http://www.redfin.com/CA/Orinda/55-Oak-Rd-94563/home/39979772

Very sloped but that is not a dealbreaker for some as most buyers in SF and the mountains of SoCal can attest.

This Orinda lot has no address BUT its half an acre for $99k

http://www.redfin.com/CA/Orinda/Undisclosed-address-94563/home/45458185

There are of course MUCH more expensive lots for sale, my only point is it is very possible to build a house for less than buying a comparable existing home. Yes its a huge PITA to build a house. Yes the number of buildable lots are limited.

There are advantages though. You get a BRAND NEW house built to all current codes the way YOU want*

You want a basement/dungeon? Sure!
You want a dome house or stone castle? If it floats your boat!
How about a five care garage with lift? You'd be stupid not to.

No termite damage, no dryrot, no asbestos, no leaky roofs, no questionable foundation, no ancient pipes or wiring.

*building code, CCRs, budget and spouse permitting

It sure seems like another bubble is about to burst.

Here is a very well researched article: http://patrick.net/housing/crash1.html

Call it Crazy says

As DataQuick recently reported, the median price for a "Bay Area" home hit $548,500 in December, which is slightly down from November, but still up 23.9% from $442,750 a year earlier, the research firm said.

San Francisco prices are getting closer to levels reached in the 2006-2007 bubble when the median Bay Area price hit the $665,000-mark.

Looks undervalued to me. The median will easily approach $900,000 in just a few years.

hrhjuliet says

It sure seems like another bubble is about to burst.

Set a date, ballpark range...

Strategist says

Call it Crazy says

As DataQuick recently reported, the median price for a "Bay Area" home hit $548,500 in December, which is slightly down from November, but still up 23.9% from $442,750 a year earlier, the research firm said.

San Francisco prices are getting closer to levels reached in the 2006-2007 bubble when the median Bay Area price hit the $665,000-mark.

Looks undervalued to me. The median will easily approach $900,000 in just a few years.

Mad props for making Roberto look like a real estate bear!

I think it will level off next month, and many of the numbers that point to the leveling off will be down played in the media. I don't think a true downturn will happen until winter of next year. No one can possibly know, but this is my guess.

If your in the bottom half of that elite list, rather than taking $10 from each of the 3.5 B people to grow your wealth - wouldn't it make more sense to knock off a person in the top 10 and take their winnings?

seriously though. You can't get blood from a stone. Played out over an indefinite time span, they'd have to start turning on each other if the name of the game is perpetual wealth building.

It's all Obama's fault!!!

That's 20% that will vote according to how their bread is buttered.

Good job Obama.

Oh well, the GOP always has Gerrymandering.

CaptainShuddup says

That's 20% that will vote according to how their bread is buttered.

Good job Obama.

Oh well, the GOP always has Gerrymandering.

Hate to burst your bubble Cap'n, but you're wrong.

http://www.nationalmemo.com/the-gop-is-the-food-stamp-party/

"Despite Gingrich’s racial connotations, the majority of Americans who use food stamps are white, and they increasingly live in Republican areas"

Call it Crazy says

National Memo???? Really??? That's the best you can do??

They cited Bloomberg (and US Dept. of Ag data). Do you disagree with the data? Or do you just like to attack the source without providing anything in the way of facts or data that disputes the article.

These 20% of people on food stamps are also buying up the $1 million+ homes in the bay area. I see them at the open houses bidding up the price, sweetening their bid by throwing in a few thousand dollars in food stamps. Bastards, only if I didn't make so much money I could qualify for all this free stuff.

RentingForHalfTheCost says

These 20% of people on food stamps are also buying up the $1 million+ homes
in the bay area. I see them at the open houses bidding up the price, sweetening
their bid by throwing in a few thousand dollars in food stamps. Bastards, only
if I didn't make so much money I could qualify for all this free stuff.

I'd advise you to quit your job. Then you can qualify for all the free stuff you want. Win-win.

I'm not a fan of the bay area and I am happy to say that I have not contributed one cent to its over-priced real estate and never will. I don't even like to visit the area or travel through it, for the traffic, smog, and general crowding. I've been to SF and seen the dirty, littered streets and bums panhandling, and the $40 parking spaces. Anywhere there is air to breath is at least as valuable and most times much more. Its got to be hype that gets people to borrrow that much to live there. The attitude there seems to be, so you came here, now pay up and put up with all the bull, because it's the legendary bay area.

I hate the Bay Area, but this is where all my family still lives. My brother is blind, and it would be terrible to move him from the home and town he grew up in. Blind people get used to their surroundings and over years and years become so well established that they can get around pretty well if they are in a very familiar place. I feel trapped by this horrible area. Trapped by the prices, greed and ditzy rich sport moms I am made to interact with all day. I would move to Portland in a second. I loved the weather there. It wasn't that different from here, just less dry. The city was clean and the people were very friendly and interesting. The moms are not the manicure obsessed dance and sport moms of the valley. It's really neat, the moms have a mind and they actually use it! They also seem to care more about their community and less about if their kid just won aother meaningless plastic trophy. There is a lot more to do there too. Here, all you can do is eat out and get drunk, and that's not fun. We have some wonderful parks, but so does Oregon. The Bay Area is not my community of choice, but stuck just the same, unless I want to see my family once a year.

Hrhjuliet,

I was contemplating moving to Portland Or. Sounds like my kind of place. Are there areas/neighborhoods you would recommend moving a family with pre-teens and teens. Schools are important but I have heard Oregon has excellent schools.